Mystic Boon and WeaponryFollow

depends what you're doing with it :P You have very big boosts in the 2ndary mods, with 30% STR and 50% MND, so every 2MND adds 1 base damage and every 3STR should add ~2 dmg (depending on VIT of mob). For each 2 acc add +1% to your hitrate under cap, att adds better average damage w/r/t enemy def but has to be in fairly high quantities to do anything useful.

For the most part it should be more or less identical to your hexa gear, if you choose to Sneak Attack the WS though then you can drop all the acc gear (as it's single hit) and focus purely on stat mods for the WS.

A Martial Wand will yield the best Mystic Boon results without question, it's bonus adds +50% damage at 100% TP, but it's hexa results are a bit naff (despite offering +20% crit rate)

Then you have ye olde classic weapons -

Perdu Wand A very solid DPS'r which is a bit naff on the old weaponskills but with hidden +14 att +5 acc is never to be underestimated, the key note with Mystic Boon here is most of your damage is going to be from secondary skills anyway so the DPS isn't absolutely essential

Seawolf Cudgel Garrr! With a bigass acc mod and STR mods off the bat it's a mighty fine vessel, the -att is a bit of a turnoff but a consistent hard hitter non-the-less

Deae Gratia A neat little club especially if you plan on taking damage in the face(that's the techincal term I assure you)

Morgenstern The old fanboi favourite, once unlocked it's a neat little DPS'r with the chance of critting those WS's for something in the region os +30-100% damage depending on what you hit (but a Sneak Attack is 100% crit 100% acc anyway so not recommended if you're going that route)

Purgatory Mace Oooh stun :O

Brass Jadagna +1 The highest base dmg in the club outside of mythic/relic weaponry, but a lack of other mods don't really contribute to your overall Mystic Boon

Your basic gear is gonna be along the lines of: Recommend in orange, difficult to obtain and recommended in RED

Head: Either high +MND stat hat Goliard Chapeau, Healer's Cap +1 // big +STR hat Voyager Sallet, Gnadbhod's Helm // Acc hat Optical Hat

Body: MND body Marduk's Jubbah, Blessed Briault // Acc body Tabin Jupon +1, Reverend Mail (warning -5MND), Hydra Doublet, Augmented Royal Redingote (get acc & att)

Legs: MND pants Blessed Trousers, Jet Seraweels // Acc Pants Hydra Brais // Hybrid Pants Prince's Slops

Feet: MND feet Marduk's Crackows, Cleric's Duckbills, Errant Pigaches, Blessed Pumps // STR feet Creek Clomps // Acc feet Hydra Gaiters

Hands: stat mod hands Healer's Mitts +1 // Acc hands Hydra Gloves

Neck: MND neck Ajari Bead Necklace // Acc neck Chivalrous Chain, Peacock Charm, Ancient Torque

Back: stat mod back Royal Army Mantle // Att back Bellicose Mantle

Finger: Take your pick MND/STR/acc rings
Ear: Brutal Earring // take your pick MND / STR / Att earrings
Waist: Life Belt, Potent Belt or +MND belt

Edited, May 20th 2009 4:05pm by ZiGG

Yeah lol, you were going full pirate for a bit there lol.

Do not use accuracy for Mystic Boon (or any single hit melee WSs). You have capped accuracy for almost any situation, so it's not worth bothering. Go straight for attack/STR/MND.

Different story if you're dual wielding.

Edited, May 20th 2009 7:33pm by bsphil

Mystic Boon is not Tachi: Gekko.
I had less than a 60% land rate on Mystic boon on tanking gear against EM mandies at the tree, back when I was skilling up my shield. Crabs where a bit better but still had alot of misses when I wasn't wearing accu.

So yeah, don't dismiss accu.


As for the clubs, I've become a fan of single-wielding my perdu and soloing mobs as /SCH on campaign. Perdu's high dot, added attack/accu, and low delay are perfect when paired with Auspice's Enlight. And it's a solid choice for both Hexa and Mystic as well.

It's capped accuracy for the first hit of all WSs. Unless you can prove that Mystic Boon is the one WS that is somehow immune to what the first hit of ALL MELEE WSs HAVE, then I would say it has capped accuracy.

Absolutely not. Have you even USED Mystic Boon against a remotely difficult target before?

On anything where my standard WHM melee accuracy is not ideal (which is quite a lot, because I don't have club merits and my WHM has significantly less accuracy gear than my RDM has), Mystic Boon ends up whiffing a lot too, definitely more than 5%. Maybe it still has higher accuracy than my standard strikes, I don't know, but any boost (if there is one) is definitely not enough to ensure capped accuracy. The fact you think it is says to me that you haven't even tried it.

And it ain't just Mystic Boon either. If you're fighting IT+ sh*t or whatever and your standard melee accuracy is not ideal, 1-hitter WSs in general are very likely to whiff as well for other jobs/weapon types. Don't even get me started on how many times I've whiffed a Flat Blade stun on something I really needed it to land on.

Edited, May 21st 2009 3:47pm by Fynlar

I've missed Mystic Boon several times in mage gear.

That's not exactly how it works. Depending on your level, your modifiers get decreased. See http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Weapon_Skill_Damage for the specifics.

Lern2AccCaps. Let's look at the parse data I got when camping Herder's Subligar. I'm on SAM75/RNG37 killing level 30 mobs.

Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Bsphilar                   275727    77.99 %     144/7    95.36 %    464/3225  1914.77 
 - Sidewinder              261763    94.94 %     120/3    97.56 %   1266/3225  2181.36 
 - Tachi: Gekko             13964     5.06 %      24/4    85.71 %     464/944   581.83 

Only an 85% hit rate on tachi: gekko zomg I NEED TEH ACC. When collecting a larger sample size of WSs (read: sidewinder), suddenly it's capped (AND STILL MISSING 5% OF THE TIME), when sidewinder is notorious for having terrible accuracy and melee WSs are the ones that are supposed to have the accuracy bonuses. Human nature is at a predisposition to focus on the failures and skim over the successes, so while you may have missed a couple of WSs that you really needed to land, you've been ignoring the dozens that landed just fine.

So no, parse it or GTFO. Don't come and tell me that "oh I've missed several times" as an excuse for needing accuracy gear, because all the facts are stacked against you right now. If you can substantially prove that Mystic Boon is immune to this benefit that affects all melee WSs, fine, I'll believe you.

The accuracy bonuses on WS are not exclusive as you're depicting them to be. The first tests on WS accuracy that I can recall were done with Wasp Sting from a NIN wearing tanking gear. He had something like 68% accuracy on EM mobs, but still managed 95% hit rate on WS.



Unequipping and reequipping a warp cudgel on my SAM then meditating with no meditate gear is saying otherwise.

Edited, May 22nd 2009 2:24pm by bsphil

Let's see. I've missed every True Strike I've tried at 100% TP (which is about 10-12 tries because I realized it was pretty pointless). With capped accuracy, that's a 1-in-10-trillion or worse chance (and this is against mobs that I'd have capped accuracy against anyway!).

There's "eyeballing is inaccurate" and then there's "something is obviously wrong". This falls into the latter category.

I haven't done any extensive testing, but from all of the WSs I've done so far with that meditate method to get exactly 100 TP hasn't given me a single miss yet.

I never said I did a single WS, I described the method I used to collect WS data (mainly how I get precisely 100 TP).

Edited, May 22nd 2009 6:55pm by bsphil

Bsphil, you're citing TW mobs as your sample size in that parser. Of @#%^ing course you're going to have capped acc. If you didn't something is HORRIBLY wrong.

I'm not touching True Strike with a 10-foot pole, but in the case of Bsphil's parse he's using Sidewinder and Tachi:Gekko. There's no reason for a 75 naked to be having issues capping acc on mid-20 to high-30 mobs for either of those WS just based on level corrections.

The entire problem here is that many people HAVEN'T thought to parse it (or specifically study this in a parse). Understandably so, but the fact remains that you should know not to trust your instincts on how you "felt" you were doing. Parse it, get a large enough sample size, then examine the data and draw your conclusions from that alone.

I've yet to find a single hit WS aside from slugwinder that doesn't have this phantom accuracy boost on the first hit. I don't have the time or the jobs to test every single WS, but based on the varying cases tested so far, there seems to be really no quantifiable similarities between these WSs that all have inherent, enormous accuracy boosts. That leads me to believe that it is by default true for all WSs by induction.

If I had mystic boon (or WHM75) I would test it myself. I can get more detailed data on True Strike if you'd like though. From what I've seen so far it does not appear to have such extraordinary circumstances such as accuracy below the accuracy floor at exactly 100 TP.

EDIT: Palindrome postcount get.


Very small sample size I know, but keep in mind this is with True Strike at exactly 100 TP. I also have 179 club skill and I'm on mobs in the boyahda tree. Mainly targeting crabs, also korrigans and rarabs. WSing in mainly haste/eva/DMG- gear (about 235 acc total on WS or so).

Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Bsphilar                    32735    41.34 %      66/4    94.29 %    123/1001   495.98 
 - Tachi: Gekko              4709    14.39 %       7/0   100.00 %     539/752   672.71 
 - Tachi: Kasha              9844    30.07 %      16/2    88.89 %    256/1001   615.25 
 - Tachi: Yukikaze          16241    49.61 %      29/2    93.55 %     209/847   560.03 
 - True Strike               1941     5.93 %      14/0   100.00 %     123/160   138.64

I'm still getting data, but this is a far cry from the stated "1% accuracy at 100 TP". My main goal right now is to work on my Windslicer.

For what it's worth, the chance of just by chance landing 7 1% chance hits in a row is 0.000000000001%.

EDIT: More data.

EDIT: Signet wore, so I'm taking a break. 14 hits 0 misses on True Strike, not much I know, but with 180 club skill (I got a .3 on one of my WSs, lol) I'm willing to dismiss the 0.00000000000000000000000001% chance (.01^14) that it really does just have 1% accuracy at 100 TP. Moreover I'm willing to say that true strike has an overwhelmingly large accuracy bonus akin to dozens of other WSs. I can start TPing in my warp cudgel for a few mobs if you'd like to see how my acc rate breaks down in the gear I've been using, but for now I can assure you it will be low. I would estimate 50%. That would equate to at least accuracy+90 on WS.





Edited, May 23rd 2009 9:33pm by bsphil

I can work on digging up the original parse done in the SAM forums on WS accuracy. Will take some time to find.

EDIT: Found it.

Again, this is not to definitively state that Mystic Boon specifically is also subject to a large accuracy bonus. Rather by induction, all melee WSs have a substantial accuracy boost due to the wide array of WSs that have been observed to have this boost so far (Wasp Sting, Tachi: Yukikaze/Gekko/Kasha, Wheeling Thrust, and Armor Piercer are the ones that I can think of off the top of my head that have been detailed in parse data).



Edited, May 23rd 2009 10:32pm by bsphil

I personally haven't had any issues with True Strike against steelshells while skilling up for hexastrike. 100% accuracy thus far on it.

EDIT:
Missed once just a moment ago lol

Edited, May 24th 2009 3:46am by TaruArislan

I can try to do it again on BLM. My WHM is only 50. Only reason I picked SAM is to get exactly 100 TP.

WS accuracy, nobody with Mystic Boon wants to parse, all I have is up to True Strike, etc.

I'm more interested in being "all single-hit weaponskills" since as I've already said my experience using staff weapon skills have led to some that seem to have acc as normal (spirit taker) and some that never seem to miss, ever (shell buster).

But I don't have any data on either, I'm quite happy to accept this is true if anyone gives me some damn real information :P It would effectively allow me to switch my staff strategies and get some significant returns :p

I have exams atm, vectors & fluids on tuesday all the way up til the 16th june, at which point I will have time on my hands until I get a new job, til then I'm bound to work I'm afraid.

Still don't have WHM75. You do it. I'm willing to test other single hit non-mystic boon WSs. Time for you to pick up the ball.

Or move to Ragnarok and set up parties for my WHM50 to get it the last 25 levels. Whichever you think is easier. For the record I'd be happy to polish off the last 25 levels of WHM.

I suppose I could test Spirit Taker next. I have a Mage's Staff that needs points. The point being not that I'm testing WSs that you have a personal disposition against, but rather that all random WSs I've been picking all share the exact same enormous accuracy boost on the first hit.





Edited, May 24th 2009 5:34pm by bsphil

How do you account for the drastic accuracy difference between my WS hitrate and TP hitrate?

Offhand hits or DA procs are definitely subject to normal accuracy, however that might be modified by TP based on that particular WS. Do I think that SE would be so short sighted to give an accuracy bonus to the first hit of all WSs, including single hit WSs? Yes, I do think SE is that dumb. The only exception I'm able to think of is Slugwinder, and only because it is by design given such a harsh accuracy penalty (and then has accuracy scaled by TP). If the default WS first hit bonus is accuracy+100 but slugwinder is the only WS that penalizes more than accuracy-100 (such as accuracy-150), that's really indistinguishable from the client side as just receiving an accuracy-50 penalty at 100 TP and no more.

It's entirely possible to have "accuracy varies with TP" on True Strike to mean, say, accuracy+1 for every 5 TP over 100, and at the same time, be complementary to the generic accuracy bonus given to the first hit of a WS.




Edited, May 24th 2009 6:08pm by bsphil

The only thing I have to say is that I've never seen results remotely related to what you've claimed. All my tests are showing severely UNCAPPED accuracy and capped WS accuracy, where your claim is of capped accuracy and severely uncapped WS accuracy. If you could detail your tests further I guess I could reason through this further, but I've yet to see the nature of the WS (or any WS aside from slugwinder) behave in the way you've stated.

What was your club skill when you did this? Mine was at 180, wearing acc+30 in dex+ and acc+. More or less roughly the same as being around 211~ skill? By the by, I was wearing accuracy+33 in gear on SAM (askar head, tiphia, diabolos's earring, AJ, rajas ring, byakko's haidate, swift belt, PCC). The rest was haste or damage-. Keep in mind for most of the test I had 179 skill, so after adding accuracy bonus from /DNC there was a difference of all of 12 accuracy between my SAM tests and my BLM tests.



Edited, May 24th 2009 6:21pm by bsphil

Mine was in the high 180s at the time, with no acc+ or dex+ gear.

I'm pretty sure that the acc+/dex+ difference (as well as when I'd done this, namely about a year or so ago) has something to do with this. There may have been a ninja boost to True Strike in the meantime as well, though.

You doubt that SE did a ninja boost to a WS? :-D

That's looking like the most likely conclusion at this point, considering how long it's been since I've regularly used True Strike.

Yeah you do benefit from offhanding Perdu. Melee gear is pretty sound, just have to macro in MND Gear for WS. I usually have around 115 MND for Mystic Boon when I gear swap. I've hit 700-800 on TW mobs and usually around 300-400 on campaign mobs.

Easy way to test...

Vunkerl Inlet Crabs have evasion rangin from 210-215.

1) Do a parse of a few crabs to get your acc on both melee and mystic boon
2) Get 100% Tp before engaging with another mob, use a blinding potion and keep them up at all times and parse your accuracy for both melee and mystic boon.
3) Parse multiple crabs.
4) Compare results

That should give everyone their answer.