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#2402 Nov 25 2013 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
Definitely. The difference between an average feral and a great feral is managing your procs and getting those super bleeds up!

#2403 Nov 25 2013 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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I have issues with any playstyle that requires a mod package to succeed with. It's one of my major issues with Fire Mage, and it's been a problem for a while.

I have no issues with Mods. But they should never be SO much of a boon that a player using one is immediately outperforming the non-user with basic class mechanics.

The requirements of the game should match that which is provided by their UI. If people want to mod for smaller bonuses, for aesthethic reasons, for quality of life purposes, etc. - feel free.

But I don't believe in in mods that, essentially, unlock the class dps.
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#2404 Nov 25 2013 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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Friar RareBeast wrote:
... i've done the research and have set up my UI, got the right mods etc and that makes be better than 90% of the ferals out there ... I like the fact that some idiot feral who just keeps his savage roar and rip up without looking at procs etc will never be able to match me.


I know the game supports add-ons, but having to install add-ons just to be competitive makes me think there's something wrong with the class. I can play my Arms Warrior with zero add-ons and out-damage my Druid. My Warrior is wearing PvP gear and my Druid is wearing PvE gear, by the way. Good times.

The problem with the Feral Druid lies in the RNG coupled with the need to maintain vital power-ups via said RNG. I remember once where my Tiger's Fury was on cooldown when I had to engage a boss. Due to an unfortunate string of non-crits, my 0-point Savage Roar dropped a millisecond before I could apply Rip. Rip just lost 40% damage, yay. The fact that there's a glyph that allows you to apply Savage Roar at 0 points is a pretty obvious indicator that something isn't right. Didn't they roll all that passive +damage sh*t into the classes with 4.0? Wasn't that the whole point of the talent revamp? Why do I have to hit a button before combat just to not break my spec?

Retribution Paladins also have to stack a power-up before they can unleash full DPS, but theirs is applied at 3 points instead of 5, and it lasts 60 seconds vs the 42 seconds of a 5-point Savage Roar. Oh, and it's the only thing Retribution Paladins need to spend points on in combat, aside from burst damage. Ferals also have to spend surplus points on Ferocious Bite. Gonna want those Bites to stay competitive. The Savage Roar mechanic is just a massive pain. Unless you're some crazy proactive savant, you're going to mess up sooner or later. The entire rotation works against the player instead of with the player. It feels like the game is trying, every step of the way, to make me mess up.

I'm not saying I want a 1-button rotation, but there is way too much sh*t to handle right now. And that's without going Dream of Cenarius where you need to weave in heals before you apply your bleeds. I can't think of ANY other spec in the game that even comes close to that amount of cluster@#%^ just to be competitive.

Edit: Also, I'm not an idiot, thank you very much. Smiley: glare

Edited, Nov 25th 2013 3:23pm by Mazra
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#2405 Nov 25 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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Friar RareBeast wrote:
Definitely. The difference between an average feral and a great feral is managing your procs and getting those super bleeds up!

If you ask me it is about how much you can think ahead, knowing where to run for the next thing that can hit you in a way that you will have to move as little as possible and get the same result for whatever happens after that, minimizing the time you run and maximizing the time you're DPSing. If you play with the really, really good players you'll see how they do this, they know exactly when and where to move to minimize their movement.

The other thing to squeeze out the most dps is stacking buffs, almost everyone just uses their trinkets and cooldowns whenever they're ready but because of the multiplicative effect of stats it might be better for your dps to let your trinket sit for a minute and then use it together with more cooldowns which also means knowing how log the fight is going to last and roughly when you will and won't be able to dps because waiting a minute with your trinket if you then have to run around for 15 seconds, deal with adds or something etc it would've been better to use your trinket and wait with the other cooldown for your trinket.

It's much more tactical and requires more thought than learning a rotation/priority or how to keep up a super bleed but if your priority is so messed up that you need to pay attention to it all the time it's much, much harder to fully realize the dps of your class and get into the more fun part of bossfights. Your priority, after all, is always exactly the same and from my experience with ferals it's like you're fighting yourself more than the boss at times.
#2406 Nov 25 2013 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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I probably lose a lot of DPS sitting at 5 points for too long. I want to use Ferocious Bite more often, but when I do, I usually get unlucky with crits and Rip falls off. Savage Roar also has a nasty tendency to fall off just before Rip does, which means I have to clip Rip. Every time I hit 5 points, my brain struggles with having to choose between three abilities, and the incorrect choice can set off a cascade effect that results in tears and pitiful numbers.

And I just realized that Shred is now only better than Mangle if you've got a Clearcasting proc or Berserk is up. What the ****? When did that happen? Now I have to spam Mangle again? What is this, TBC?

Edited, Nov 25th 2013 4:38pm by Mazra
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#2407 Nov 25 2013 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's still that bad? wow
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#2408 Nov 25 2013 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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I have no idea how to Feral and the abilities all sound to me like "Rawr cat scratch stuff". That is to say, they all sound the same to me.
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#2409 Nov 25 2013 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
I have no idea how to Feral and the abilities all sound to me like "Rawr cat scratch stuff". That is to say, they all sound the same to me.
I've tried to Feral dps seriously once.







I wiped the raid.


And I'm not even joking about that either. Feral dps really can be fighting yourself more than fighting the boss.
#2410 Nov 25 2013 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I spammed swipe, because if you didn't the AoE addicted mage would take all your aggro.

Also, must keep all HoTs on everyone all the time! [:panic:]

I only did kitty like once or twice, one time I was drinking pretty good so I don't remember much other that it was fun to open with swipe and **** off the tank. Smiley: lol

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#2411 Nov 25 2013 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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My problem probably was that I tried it while I was tanking on that one growing/enrage boss in ICC where you switch tanks and get massive dps buffs.
I kinda forgot to switch back to bear and taunt the boss in time because I was trying to do as much dps as I could so we wouldn't hit enrage and in the fury of trying to keep up the various buffs and dots and combo points and managing energy I sorta lost track of time.


My dps wasn't even any good either, worse even than when I tried to shadowpriest on the last boss in heroic trial 10 man having never ever played the spec for even a second before that with about 3 minutes to read up on what to do, it wasn't pretty.
#2412 Nov 25 2013 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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If kitty wasn't bad enough bear pretending to be kitty was so much worse. All of the effort with like a small fraction of the DPS. Smiley: lol

Also, I got my ESO beta invite it seems. It also seems it already expired. I figured they'd never even bother to send me one as I didn't finish half of the questionnaire before I had to duck out and do something, and just hit "submit" as I walked away. I suppose this also means I should check my e-mail more than once a week. Smiley: rolleyes
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#2413 Nov 25 2013 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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With that fight the tanks got a stacking buff that gave some serious dps buffs so that helped but all things considered I still did pretty poorly just because of how needlessly complicated it was. Kitty dps is just a huge tunnel vision trap.
#2414 Nov 25 2013 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Kitty dps is just a huge tunnel vision trap.


This.

Not sure what I think about prioritizing Mangle over Shred, either. Sure, it makes positioning easier, except you're still supposed to use Shred during a CC proc. Pretty ******* awful design, but I guess Mangle did become useless after they removed the damage buff and stuff.

Wish they'd change Mangle's sound effect, though... it's driving me up the ******* wall.
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So they made a movie about Wikileaks, I think they're making one about Snowden too and now there's one about bitcoin and Silk Road. It's like screenwriters get their ideas from the news...




Summer blockbuster 2014: whatever comes on the news in the spring!
#2416 Nov 25 2013 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
Personally, I'm most excited about the movie Maleficent. It looks really interesting.
#2417 Nov 25 2013 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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I'm less than excited about it. What I like about the character is that she is a complete ***** for pretty much no reason. Giving her a tragic backstory and a possible happy ending (or even a "turns good right before she dies" moment) ruins that for me. I like the character better when she is a petulant, vindictive, spiteful woman from start to finish - it's what makes her a real fairytale villain, not a modern heroic figure.
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#2418 Nov 25 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Sooo, what's the movie avout then?
#2419 Nov 25 2013 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
I actually like villains that are relate-able. It's one of the reasons I like the show Once Upon a Time. It makes them human, and I like the moral it gives that nothing is black and white.

Maleficent is a movie made by Disney, which gives you a back story on the villain from Sleeping Beauty. She's played by Angelina Jolie, which I'm also really excited about.
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#2421 Nov 26 2013 at 12:37 AM Rating: Good
Mazra wrote:
Not sure what I think about prioritizing Mangle over Shred, either. Sure, it makes positioning easier, except you're still supposed to use Shred during a CC proc. Pretty @#%^ing awful design, but I guess Mangle did become useless after they removed the damage buff and stuff.

Wish they'd change Mangle's sound effect, though... it's driving me up the @#%^ing wall.



It actually makes the whole rotation easier as mangle needs less energy so you build combo points much faster and have less trouble with downtime. It is a spec you really need to play seriously for a while. Then it becomes easier - if I can do it, most people can :) All you need are timer bars for Savage Roar and Rip - that way you can notice they are close to each other 10 secs before they expire and you can SR early and still have time to build up the points to rip in time. Getting used to looking ahead is pretty easy. Other than that, a way to see when your trinkets have procced so you know when to overwrite your bleeds with stronger ones.

Of course you can also just download Nerien's Scripts for use with Ovale and the mod will deal with all of that and more and just tell you which button to press :) The script is updated by the guys over at the FluidDruid and is amazing - but I agree a spec shouldn't need it and feral is sitting on the borderline of needing it. I reckon I could do almost as well without it, but it would be stressful and I would probably stand in the fire a lot more :)


#2422 Nov 26 2013 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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I guess it becomes easier with more crit rating. I just experienced having an unfortunate series of non-crits and the 0-point SR fell off before I had 5 points for Rip (no TF or Berserk either). The worst part was that while my mind was all *********** use the 5 points on a SR refresh", my finger was like ********** it, I'm pressing Rip now!"

It hurts so deep in my soul when that happens.
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Thanksgiving is coming up, or as my mother calls it: Thursday.
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Thanksgiving is coming up, or as my mother calls it: Thursday.


/shudders

My stomach has shrunk so much that I'm actually worried about it...
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#2425 Nov 26 2013 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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Why would you be afraid of Thanksgiving?
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Considering the geographic location, I assume its the same reason I don't look too forward to it. Three or four relatives that learned to talk from Joe Pesci movies.

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