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#1852 Nov 06 2013 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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Just came home from an eight hour lecture on neocortex philosophy.

I think I was clinically dead for a good 20 minutes at some point.
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#1853 Nov 06 2013 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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I'm ridiculously tired today. I was worried driving into work, because there was nothing I wanted more than being asleep...
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#1854 Nov 06 2013 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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I took a nap this afternoon, it was delightful.
#1855 Nov 06 2013 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Even bad coffee is better than no coffee.

As much as I love coffee I can't abide by this. A long time ago, in a job far, far away, I knew a guy who would get up in the morning and reheat the coffee left over from the day before "so I can have a cup while I brew a fresh pot." blecchhh. Not for me.


Yeah, that's disgusting. My roommate does that sometimes. Only she doesn't do it while she brews a fresh pot. She also brews too much at a time and she makes her coffee really weak. I refuse to drink her coffee. I do exactly 4 tbsp of beans, freshly ground, for 16 oz of coffee. Then to help get my fat for the day, I add 3 tbsp of pasture fed unsalted butter, 2 tbsp of coconut oil, and half a tsp of cinnamon and blend it. I know it sounds gross, but it's actually really good.
#1856 Nov 06 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Just take fish oil, lol. Less disgusting, and probably more comprehensive.
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#1857 Nov 06 2013 at 11:19 PM Rating: Good
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i sometimes go days without coffee and i get up at ~5am and stay up til ~11pm normally, well i go to bed when my beer supply runs out so 10-12.
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#1858 Nov 07 2013 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
I take fish oil too. Well, fish oil pills anyways. Smiley: tongue

I'm doing a keto diet, and I've lost 11 lbs in about two months. Not great weight loss, but I've also lost a couple inches from my belly and an inch off my waist. Progress is progress, and this is a diet I can stick to with only occasional cheats. So yeah, the goal is to do about 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs.
#1859 Nov 07 2013 at 4:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't help but think that those "none of X, lots of Y" diets sound incredibly unhealthy in the long run and/or impossible to stick to. What happened to just eating healthy and varied and exercising?
#1860 Nov 07 2013 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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That's essentially what I'm doing.

I suppose I'm technically doing a low-carb, high-protein diet.

But it's more than I've cut or reduced my intake of carbs that aren't offering me much else. I don't really eat pasta, but I get plenty of fruit and vegetables. So I get carbs, but I try and limit them mostly to natural sugars and fiber. I probably should be trying to get more starches (beans and such), though.

I take fish oil to check my fats. I eat mostly lean proteins (which works out well, since chicken breasts have more-or-less always been my go-to for meat). Lots of vegetables.

And I don't stress over occasional treats, like chocolate.

I'm mostly just trying to make everything I eat count. Either nutritionally or emotionally. Smiley: lol
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#1861 Nov 07 2013 at 9:18 AM Rating: Good
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I just eat whatever I feel like and it pretty much works out. Smiley: lol
#1862 Nov 07 2013 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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I have a stocky body type, so it's naturally inclined to carry some weight.

I'm down to somewhere around 180 lbs, now, which is about 81.6 kg. My weight hasn't really dropped much in the past month or two, I think, but that's probably because I'm adding muscle at around the same rate I lose fat. Then again, I haven't really been tracking it obsessively. I think I've been around 180 for at least 3 months, but I've gone down an inch or two in my waist, I've been eating under my daily caloric expenditure, and I've been more aggressive in my workouts. So I assume it's working. Smiley: laugh

My biggest irritant right now is excess skin. Smiley: glare
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#1863 Nov 07 2013 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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I sleep when I get a chance. It isn't always 6to11, but its not like I can just leave at a certain time if what needs to be done isn't done. 11 is rare, but has happened twice.

Also the motherboard of my ten year old laptop is thoroughly dead and has been for a week now, so it's in the shop for repairs.

harder to post from a cellphone, but at the same time more chances to do so ...
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#1864 Nov 07 2013 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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I can't help but think that those "none of X, lots of Y" diets sound incredibly unhealthy in the long run and/or impossible to stick to. What happened to just eating healthy and varied and exercising?

I haven't had too much of a problem sticking to it. There's been quite a few studies in the last few years that have shown that low carb diets are best for weight loss and healthier in general. Even Sweden has recently come out in support of a low carb diet, to the point where the government is recommending it for the general populace. I still eat a fair amount of veggies. Not every day, but more often than I did before.

Oh and digg, be careful about eating too much protein. If your protein intake is too high your body will take the leftovers and turn it into sugar. It's called gluconeogenesis.
#1865 Nov 07 2013 at 5:33 PM Rating: Good
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Veggies are tasty, most of em anyway and dinner isn't complete without vegetables.












And no, pizza is not a vegetable.
#1866 Nov 07 2013 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
Nope, but you can put veggies on pizza and that totally counts.
#1867 Nov 07 2013 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
And one thing I have to give my diet props for is helping me find ways to eat cauliflower that I like. Making mock mashed potatoes with it, it's really yummy.

Also, I bought some new clothes today and I'm down to a size 8 pants and a medium shirt.
#1868 Nov 07 2013 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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It's more complex than that. Your body needs glucose - it's not the enemy.

This is going to be an annoyingly long post. TL;DR: low-carb diets are fine in the short term, but you NEED to up your protein with them or you body will break down your muscles to get fast-burning energy to replace the carbs. And there's little reason to use a low-carb diet when you don't need to lose weight (because it'll severely limit the development of lean muscle mass, in the best case scenario, or be actively destroying it, in the worst).

I obviously believe that low-carb diets have their place. But the thing is, they need to be relative to the situation. A low-carb diet should NOT be your standard diet for your general health maintenance. It should be a short-term solution to another problem, and it's own shortcomings need to be addressed.

I'm on a low-carb, high-protein diet because I'm trying to minimize my muscle loss while I cut fat. As soon as I get my body fat percentage down to a point I'm happy with, or I decide to focus more on bulking my muscles, I will increase my carb intake.

You are absolutely right, that protein gets converted to glucose. But glucose isn't a problem in and of itself. Glucose is a problem when its being created in excess of your caloric needs.

Let me put it this way - your body's energy needs aren't constant. Sometimes you are using more, and sometimes less. Your body's ability to access fat reserves, however, has a pretty low cap on it. It just can't get at them that quickly, because they were designed to sustain, not for burst activity.

So whenever your body has to spike your energy levels (because you're stressed, your heart rate is up from exercise, etc.), it's going to be looking to burn any fast-burning molecules it can get its hands on. In the best case scenario, these are ingested carbs. In a great deal of the time, these are proteins saturating your muscles.

The high-protein portion of my diet exists for two reasons.
1. I've reduced my carb intake to force my body to use more of my fat reserves for its daily maintenance, which means that it's going to be burning my proteins whenever it needs burst energy (for example, when I'm lifting weights, which is why you up your protein intake before and/or after your workout).
2. Because I'm trying to, at best, build muscle or, at worst, maintain my muscle levels (and I'm very actively damaging my muscles), I need high protein saturation to rapidly replace burned proteins in the muscle and to use them to repair/rebuild new muscle connections).

If you are on a low-carb diet and you haven't upped your protein intake, your body is very actively degrading your muscles and some organs. This is a VERY bad idea, and you should NOT be doing it. Your protein requirements will be less than if you aren't working out, but they are still higher than if you were eating a normal level of carbs.

Fats can't be burned anywhere close to the speed that carbs or proteins can. And without protein to replace the burned ones, your muscles will shrink and weaken.

Once I'm no longer cutting, I won't need to reduce my carb intake to force my body to use fats. So you up your carb intake, to prevent your body from using proteins as much as possible.

And as long as you stay under your caloric needs, you won't gain weight. Though, of course, if your goal is bulking you have to eat over (you can't gain mass if you burn off everything you eat).


Realistically, any healthy diet is going to include foods that provide energy at different rates. Because you want each meal to be providing relatively constant energy until your next one. And if you know you're going to be doing a burst activity, you know you need to spike your energy (or your body will break down the things you don't want it to instead).

The goal is to cut all of those things proportionally to maximize fat burning. If I eat a ton of fast-burning stuff, it's going to log excess energy and shut down the fat conversion process. But then my body starts burning proteins, because I didn't eat slow-burning foods, and it doesn't have a stream of energy of fats to help out.

But if I only eat slow-burning stuff (like fats), then my body's always going to be breaking down other fast-burning molecules in my body, because the slow burn is a constant and can't really account for all those stupid little energy spikes that happen when you needed to jog a block to make your bus, or because your heart is pounding because your crush asked you out or your boss screamed at you, or because you went to the gym, etc.
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#1869 Nov 07 2013 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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my beer, gravy, rice and hot sauce based diet does me just fine.
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#1870 Nov 07 2013 at 10:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Spoiler tag that ****. Smiley: mad
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#1871 Nov 07 2013 at 11:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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My beer, gravy, rice and hot sauce based diet does me just fine too.
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#1872 Nov 08 2013 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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My beer, gravy, rice and hot sauce based diet does me just fine too.
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#1873 Nov 08 2013 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
Your body needs a certain amount of glucose, yes. But that doesn't mean you have to ingest it, as your body has plenty of ways of making glucose. It is not an essential nutrient. The only reason I mentioned it is because if you have your protein intake too high, it can stunt your weight loss.

I agree that it's important to increase your protein intake some when on a low carb diet. Muscle degeneration is definitely a cause for concern. But on my particular diet, I still eat way more fat than protein. Honestly right now I'm not tracking things because I simply don't have the time. I doubt I'm eating 80% of my calories from fat. Probably closer to 60 or 70. I eat protein of some sort at every meal though, so I think I'm probably fine. I disagree that low carb diets are not suitable for long term. I know a few people from my facebook group for keto who are in maintenance and still eat super low carb. Some increase their carb intake some. I'll probably end up increasing it some once I get to maintenance. Eat stuff like beans and fruits, maybe occasionally eat some low carb pasta (which is kind of a joke), tortillas, and starchy veggies. I will NEVER go back to eating grains on a regular basis though. I feel so much better not eating them, and a topical yeast rash I had had for 7 years is gone now. Everyone is different, and I think that I personally have an intolerance to grains. I don't know whether it's gluten or something else, but my body doesn't like them.
#1874 Nov 08 2013 at 4:15 AM Rating: Good
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And one thing I have to give my diet props for is helping me find ways to eat cauliflower that I like. Making mock mashed potatoes with it, it's really yummy.
Chop the cauliflower up finely, boil it in milk (won't take long as the cauliflower is all in little bits), strain it but keep some of the milk then put the auliflower through the blender with some of the milk from boiling and some butter. Tasty, quick and smooth cauliflower puree.
#1875 Nov 08 2013 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
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Your body needs a certain amount of glucose, yes. But that doesn't mean you have to ingest it, as your body has plenty of ways of making glucose. It is not an essential nutrient. The only reason I mentioned it is because if you have your protein intake too high, it can stunt your weight loss.

I agree that it's important to increase your protein intake some when on a low carb diet. Muscle degeneration is definitely a cause for concern. But on my particular diet, I still eat way more fat than protein. Honestly right now I'm not tracking things because I simply don't have the time. I doubt I'm eating 80% of my calories from fat. Probably closer to 60 or 70. I eat protein of some sort at every meal though, so I think I'm probably fine. I disagree that low carb diets are not suitable for long term. I know a few people from my facebook group for keto who are in maintenance and still eat super low carb. Some increase their carb intake some. I'll probably end up increasing it some once I get to maintenance. Eat stuff like beans and fruits, maybe occasionally eat some low carb pasta (which is kind of a joke), tortillas, and starchy veggies. I will NEVER go back to eating grains on a regular basis though. I feel so much better not eating them, and a topical yeast rash I had had for 7 years is gone now. Everyone is different, and I think that I personally have an intolerance to grains. I don't know whether it's gluten or something else, but my body doesn't like them.


You're still pretty aggressively limiting your muscle's recovery potential, at best, though. There's just no replacement for carbs in the body.

There are plenty of gluten-free, and healthy, carb options. Corn and Peas are both slow-burning starches that will help give your body constant energy for hours after your meal. Fruits offer faster-burning carbs to give you the energy you'll need if you expect a period of higher stress coming up, to mitigate muscle damage.

Legumes (chickpeas, beans, etc.) all offer slow-burning starches, as well as high-protein and healthy fats.

There's a really big difference between 12g of carbs that come from black beans and 12g of carbs that are pure sugar. It makes tons of sense to limit the amount of fast-burning carbs you take in.
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#1876 Nov 08 2013 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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