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#27 Mar 24 2011 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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Metosa wrote:
Anyway, if I was in your position Mazra, I'd have changed my build a bit. I'd have moved the 3p from Nature's bounty to Blessing of the Groove (4% more heal through Rejuv) and Gift of the Earthmother. I'm not sure what your mana pool is, but I'd rather keep Furor 3/3 and Moonglow 2/3.

If you were going to raid heal, your build was just fine, but for the reason of running heroics only, it can be adjusted in my opinion. The situation with 3 rejuvs active most of the time in HC is pretty unusual and it basically means something's wrong with the pull or the group. At least I couldn't benefit from Nature's bounty when I was at that point.

And I'm not sure what your healing set is, but if you still doesn't feel confident and have mana issues, then probably gemming mainly +40intel could be successful. At least until you have acquired some epics with better stats.


I've got 100k mana self-buffed so it's not really an issue. My build is slightly screwed, though. I was originally planning on doing some 10m raiding, but it sorta never happened. I'm probably going to move one point from Moonglow to Furor for the larger pool and regen through Replenishment.

I'm probably also going to move one point from Nature's Bounty into Gift of the Earthmother, but I'm not going to bother with Blessing of the Grove. 4% to Rejuvenaton sounds good, but compared to 40% crit on a spell I use almost every OOC it feels lackluster. Nature's Bounty also helps Lifegiving Seed which is a nice 30% buff to Regrowth most of the time.

I don't have mana issue as long as I don't have to Healing Touch spam. Like mentioned above, a standard rotation of Lifebloom, Rejuvenation, Wild Growth and Swiftmend on cooldown is less MPS than I get back from regen.
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#28 Mar 24 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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The issue lies in HT spam now. If the tank begins to drop, I have to cut AOE healing to nuke the tank, which often means the death of one or two DPS, which in turn prolongs the fight, causing me to go OOM or the tank to drop from the lack of HPS, because my HT spam keeps me GCD locked and unable to apply HoTs, which in turn cripples my direct healing.


This, Mazra, is the kicker for me. If I choose to use my "big heals" like HT and Rejuv, my HoTs fall off; if i choose to HoT, my big heals don't come in. Either way it's death. And some of these heroic mobs hit like trucks, regardless of what color circle your tank is or is not standing in. I am just peeved - I know that for me personally a lot of the issue is gear, but still, I watch resto guildies that are rolling all purples face the same issues I do. It's just frustrating, seeing as Resto Druids seem to be consistently overlooked by Blizz.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:31pm by Jemac89
#29 Mar 24 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jemac89 wrote:
It's just frustrating, seeing as Resto Druids seem to be consistently overlooked by Blizz.


I wouldn't go that far, but we're certainly hard to balance. If they want us to keep relying on our HoTs there's going to be a lot of situations we're just plain overpowered in. So it takes extra effort to make sure we can still match the output of the other healing classes but not be too strong in things like aura fights, movement heavy fights, or PvP encounters.

Last expansion, especially in the beginning, we spent a lot of time on the top of the meters. I'd imagine Blizz wouldn't want to be seen as making that same mistake this time around.

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#30 Mar 24 2011 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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Jemac89 wrote:
It's just frustrating, seeing as Resto Druids seem to be consistently overlooked by Blizz.


I wouldn't go that far, but we're certainly hard to balance. If they want us to keep relying on our HoTs there's going to be a lot of situations we're just plain overpowered in. So it takes extra effort to make sure we can still match the output of the other healing classes but not be too strong in things like aura fights, movement heavy fights, or PvP encounters.

Last expansion, especially in the beginning, we spent a lot of time on the top of the meters. I'd imagine Blizz wouldn't want to be seen as making that same mistake this time around.


Usually, resto druids are pretty op in the end of every expansion. Was like that in vanilla, bc and kinda in wotlk. Even more if you take arena/overall pvp in account.

So far, we are on par with most healers. It's just that the way to heal in this expansion is not attractive overall.
Though I like Chimaeron pretty much.
#31 Mar 24 2011 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is my updated armory page: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/gorefiend/kaltheridon/advanced

Any suggestions for gear/enchants? I went ahead and gemmed as much as I could, and went ahead and upgraded my head piece. I am in the process of figuring out which heroics/reputation to focus on for better gear

J
#32 Mar 24 2011 at 5:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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In general you'll want to try and stick to orange and purple gems when you deviate from red. They math out better in the end.

Read Me: Druid 406 wrote:

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For end-game action your Meta should be the Ember Shadowspirit Diamond. All other sockets should be Brilliant Inferno Ruby unless you can pick up a socket bonus of 20 intellect or more with Purified Demonseye or Artful Ember Topaz. In most cases don’t even consider getting a socket bonus if it isn’t intellect; though for PvP you may want gem for some extra survivability. Use 2 Artful Ember Topaz to meet the Meta requirement where you can get the best socket bonuses.


Also Wowhead gear thingy with Intellect and ilvl 325 as filters, it's a nice place to find upgrades. Feel free to play around with it a little.

For enchants I'd look at the armory links of various posters here. For example, myself, Brisin and Marza all have links; and that should give you some good ideas.

Also here's the EJ thread on resto druids. They can be a bit more high-level raiding focused then is relevant for you at this time. That's said you will never go wrong with what's written there, however from time to time you may not have the gear to pull it off. The treecalcs spreadsheet there is nice for putting things into the perspective of your gear level.

Apologies if you already knew any of that, was just covering all my bases.

Edit: re-did link

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 4:32pm by someproteinguy

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 4:32pm by someproteinguy
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#33 Mar 25 2011 at 3:36 AM Rating: Decent
Jemac89 wrote:
Here is my updated armory page: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/gorefiend/kaltheridon/advanced

Any suggestions for gear/enchants? I went ahead and gemed as much as I could, and went ahead and upgraded my head piece. I am in the process of figuring out which heroics/reputation to focus on for better gear

J


Probably you could reforge mastery into spirit for the Blood of Isiset trinket. Its a nice + 101Spirit.
I'd have also put 20 intel + 20 spirit in the blue socket and +40 intel in both the belt;s and relic's socket.

Empowered touch is a really a must talent, since it not only improves the healing with HT and Nourish, but it also refreshes the duration of LB.

I'd also rather drop the Genesis talent, 15% mana is far more vital at this point. Some Mastery->Spirit or Haste->Spirit(if applicable) until reaching 2000 combat regen could also help. My mana pool is about 100k self buffed and I usually don't drop bellow 40-50k mana.

There's somehting which I haven't seen most of the druids doing. Regularly cast Moonfire/IS on the prime target. In most of the cases it is a 15 sec 15% haste buff which improves the Nourish/HT casts.

Edited, Mar 25th 2011 5:40am by Metosa
#34 Mar 25 2011 at 7:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hate healing on my druid now, mainly because like Mazra mentioned if you let lifebloom fall off you're heading down **** creek without a paddle. It just takes too much time to recover from that and it's time you don't have. I have struggled through healing a number of heroics for guildies (which for certain bosses I ended up making the ret paly switch to healing) and I do not have bad gear, 351 iLvl gemmed and enchanted, occasionally the melee get a little overzealous and pull agro but mostly when there are deaths it's my fault and I end up stressed at the end of the run because I know I'm not doing as well as I should be. We failed to down Chimearon last reset because we only had two healers signed so I had to go offspec healing and I sucked at it. My numbers looked fine on the meters but considering the other two healers manage fine when one of our main spec healers is there it was definitely my fault. I tried popping cds for the stack phase (managed to get a whopping 2 clearcasting procs while spamming LB on the raid with ToL up) but we ended up with people dead and me oom every try. Maybe with some more practice we could have got him down, but I don't feel happy making 9 people wipe because I need to L2P.

I also have a shaman (now 347 iLvl) and whilst I haven't done much healing on her the heroics I've done have gone much smoother even with less coordinated groups/lower dps groups. It's still not a cakewalk and I don't feel confident enough to try pug healing yet but I don't feel like I'm dragging the group down by being there and healing on my shaman is only moderately stressful whereas healing on my druid is up to OMFG why on earth did I think this was a good idea.

I also managed to get myself killed on Argaloth on my druid because I was so busy trying to keep people topped up and not lose my LB stack that I forgot to move out of the fire. I'm not saying druid is broken or that it can't be a good healer in the right hands, but for me it just seems to be too unforgiving to be worthwhile.

And there's my QQ done.
#35 Mar 25 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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If there's any place I've noticed we're underpowered it's at the mid levels, in the 30's and 40's especially.

Nourish, Rejuvenation, Regrowth and Swiftmend isn't a very big toolbox in the mid 40's, and it's leading to much QQing from the other half. She has a priest at about the same level that she can blow through dungeons with, and her druid is lagging behind because of it.
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#36 Mar 25 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Brisin wrote:

Here, use this:
http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/gorefiend/kaltheridon#v1-z1-o5033B~230

Check the difference tab. It's freaking HUGE!


Thank you so much for this link, I just came back to the game, and after hitting 80 have no idea where to even begin gearing my druid. Ive read all the mumbo jumbo in regards to stat priority and such but this is awesome, if I could give you a green arrow I would.
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#37 Mar 27 2011 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I have seen the light! So, heroics are still tough, and I am certainly still learning, but after spending most of my weekend regearing, gemming, reforging, running heroics, getting rep up and re doing talents, I have to say that my heals have really come to a whole new level. I knew it wasn't my abilities...

Here is my armory link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/gorefiend/kaltheridon/advanced.

With 88k mana self-buffed (as opposed to 74 on Friday) I am able to crush through these heroics. I am actually enjoying it now, because the issue isn't that I am physically unable to keep people alive anymore, its all about smart placement of heals and which variety to use for which situation. A puzzle, and I am loving it. Anyways, I am once again a huge fan of this class. We may still be below other currently on the meters, but I am a drood for life.

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#38 Mar 28 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Jemac89 wrote:
I have seen the light! So, heroics are still tough, and I am certainly still learning, but after spending most of my weekend regearing, gemming, reforging, running heroics, getting rep up and re doing talents, I have to say that my heals have really come to a whole new level. I knew it wasn't my abilities...

Here is my armory link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/gorefiend/kaltheridon/advanced.

With 88k mana self-buffed (as opposed to 74 on Friday) I am able to crush through these heroics. I am actually enjoying it now, because the issue isn't that I am physically unable to keep people alive anymore, its all about smart placement of heals and which variety to use for which situation. A puzzle, and I am loving it. Anyways, I am once again a huge fan of this class. We may still be below other currently on the meters, but I am a drood for life.

J

Since you have your feral gear on, I dont know what to say, other than it need gems and enchants too =p

But I'm glad you are loving druids again.

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Thank you so much for this link, I just came back to the game, and after hitting 80 have no idea where to even begin gearing my druid. Ive read all the mumbo jumbo in regards to stat priority and such but this is awesome, if I could give you a green arrow I would.

You are more than welcome. =]
#39 Mar 28 2011 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
That link confuses me... it tells me that certain pieces are BiS, where I have another list that tells me that different pieces are BiS. >.< Most of the BiS gear on both lists overlap, but there are a few discrepancies.

Also, that loot link isn't completely fixed. They don't have Incineratus in their database.
#40 Mar 28 2011 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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That link confuses me... it tells me that certain pieces are BiS, where I have another list that tells me that different pieces are BiS. >.< Most of the BiS gear on both lists overlap, but there are a few discrepancies.

Also, that loot link isn't completely fixed. They don't have Incineratus in their database.

They do have Incineratus in their database. You have to check and uncheck things below. Pre-raid gear will list different things than Heroic Raid gear.

About the BiS list, you have some itens that are BiS by themselves, but when you take in account others slots and bonuses, they arent bis anymore.

Moonkin have several cases like that.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 8:27pm by Brisin
#41 Mar 28 2011 at 4:41 PM Rating: Good
Oh whoops, I was getting my threads mixed up. The loot site I was talking about was the one in the purples thread. That's the one that doesn't have Incineratus.
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