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#27 Feb 17 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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When I play Holy, my guild asks me to switch back to disc (but that may have more to do with me).


Is that because of the role you're playing, like tank healing vs. raid healing? Or just because you're better at disc?


I'm just better at disc healing. As a guild, we really don't tell people what spec to play, and I'm the GM. The tanks like it when I spec disc, since they die less, and we have more successful runs.
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#28 Feb 17 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Dadanox that is a good reason to go Disc in my opinion.
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#29 Feb 18 2011 at 5:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently all the disc priest that were shield spamming went Holy. Using a 10/31/0 build with all the shield talents in lower Disc.

They still spam shields but now have better mana regen, a shield that absorbs for about the same and gives a speed boost. Blizzard, you so crazy. Way to fix the shield spam problem.

This does mean teackae will get to make another about the next move Blizz makes as things need to change.
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#30 Feb 18 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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That's what I assumed would happen, and I don't know that much about the class.
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#31 Feb 18 2011 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Actually as soon as I saw the 4.0.6 changes on the PTR, I mapped out a holy build with the shield talents (and the shield glyph). The combination with B&S and the PVP 4pc bonus is sheer beauty. I've since dropped Soul Warding though, because I don't need to spam it.

And okay, yeah, I've been playing with my disc build this week.
#32 Feb 18 2011 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
I played with eliminating Soul Warding, but for me it just didn't feel right, so I put it back. I'm not gonna jump into a Holy build for now. I'm still having fun as disc.

Our guild did the weekly tonight (Morrogar) and went all the way up to Lich King (first time going that far for most of our guildies). As we called it for the evening, several of us went up to check him out. Yep, somebody talked to him, Doh!!
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#33 Feb 18 2011 at 11:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Honorable dadanox wrote:
I played with eliminating Soul Warding, but for me it just didn't feel right, so I put it back. I'm not gonna jump into a Holy build for now. I'm still having fun as disc.


I was using a PvP build with 1/2 Soul Warding. It last a single BG before I changed it back.

I have been running IW over IF, both PvP/PvE. 532 Spell Power isn't worth 15% cheaper PW:S, PoM, Dispels and whatnot. Most Disc CDs asides from Penance are affected by IW as well.
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#34 Feb 19 2011 at 5:48 AM Rating: Good
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The Honorable dadanox wrote:
I played with eliminating Soul Warding, but for me it just didn't feel right, so I put it back. I'm not gonna jump into a Holy build for now. I'm still having fun as disc.


I was using a PvP build with 1/2 Soul Warding. It last a single BG before I changed it back.

I have been running IW over IF, both PvP/PvE. 532 Spell Power isn't worth 15% cheaper PW:S, PoM, Dispels and whatnot. Most Disc CDs asides from Penance are affected by IW as well.


I switched to IW when they upped the failure rate on Nitro Boosts. Along with the mana savings of IW, I now use a Cardboard Assassin tinker, and compensate for the loss of boost with IW the speed improvement.
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#35 Feb 19 2011 at 7:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Holy cheapness already reverted:
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Body and Soul no longer reduces the mana cost of Power Word: Shield (the hotfix made on February 16 to provide this additional benefit has been reverted).

#36 Feb 21 2011 at 4:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Well to be fair, it was silly that Holy had cheaper shields than Disc. The sudden changes are a bit silly though, IMHO anyway.
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#37 Feb 24 2011 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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Power Word: Shield now costs 34% of base mana (up from 25%) and lasts 15 sec. (down from 30 sec.)


Wait, what??? Oh well. Shield doesn't usually last the full 30 sec anyway (unless it's not needed). This is forcing us even farther down the path of shield in emergencies, not all the time.

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#38 Feb 24 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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9% base mana increase and half the duration. If that isn't a nerf, I don't know what is.
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#39 Feb 24 2011 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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Boom, headshot.

Blizzard --o'-> Pre-shielding.

They need to find another way to nerf it than to keep ******* with the mana cost tbh. It's not like the spec has lost it's whole feeling, but it's getting closer and closer to that.
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#40 Feb 24 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was just bopping over here to post the same thing. Glad I haven't hopped on the Disc bandwagon much since 4.0.6, since it looks like I'd only be going back to Holy anyway. idiggory summed it up.

Edit: Dadanox, did you also see they're baking in SnowfallKeyPress in 4.1? One less mod.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 1:40pm by teacake
#41 Feb 24 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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Dadanox, did you also see they're baking in SnowfallKeyPress in 4.1? One less mod.


I did see that. I've migrated to the Clique integration option in Vuhdo (which basically replaces Vuhdo's spelltab with Clique). In doing so, I've been using Clique's "experimental" downclick spell activation. It will be nice when they bake it in.
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#42 Feb 24 2011 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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I actually started a Goblin Priest, because I wanted to try Disc (especially while leveling). Now... meh. Even if it's still fine, it's just its appeal. Once they figure out wtf they're doing with the spec, I'll pick it back up.
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#43 Feb 24 2011 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Honorable dadanox wrote:
Patch 4.1
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Power Word: Shield now costs 34% of base mana (up from 25%) and lasts 15 sec. (down from 30 sec.)


Wait, what??? Oh well. Shield doesn't usually last the full 30 sec anyway (unless it's not needed). This is forcing us even farther down the path of shield in emergencies, not all the time.



Increasing the mana cost is just hurting less geared priests, those with gear can still do what they want.

I'm convinced all of the competent devs at Blizz are working on a new game. As they certainly aren't involved with Cata design changes.
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#44 Feb 24 2011 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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LMAO Horse, that is an awesome observation. Maybe the folks that designed Power Word: Shield are off working on project Titan.

Sigh, I am happy with them making changes as it keeps me on my toes... but I don't get the hate towards my beloved shield.
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#45 Feb 24 2011 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sigh, I am happy with them making changes as it keeps me on my toes... but I don't get the hate towards my beloved shield.


Any way you look at it, it's still an awesome shield. They doubled the amount it absorbs. So they've shortened the duration and increased the mana cost. We were using more smite and PoH anyway. Devine Aegis is short, but it's still awesome. I'm gonna relax and have a large glass of wine. Now where did I put my rose colored glasses?
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#46 Feb 24 2011 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Honorable dadanox wrote:
a large glass of wine.


i can haz?
#47 Feb 28 2011 at 10:44 PM Rating: Good
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A.
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Inner Will and Inner Fire now last until canceled.


TOOK THEM LONG ENOUGH.

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-It is now possible to remove Weakened Soul effects that were a result of another priest's Power Word: Shield through Strength of Soul.
-Power Word: Barrier's cooldown has been increased to 3 minutes, up from 2, and its effect has been reduced to 25%, down from 30%.


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So they say they want Disc to only use PW:S in tight spots, and nerf it a ton, then make it so that it can be used more often. Makes sense.

And then they nerf PW:B by a ton.

And all this makes mastery drop lower and lower.

Seriously--it has to go. Just give Disc the Holy Pally mastery or something (but make it stack, like Blood Shield--Ditto for pallies).
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#48 Mar 01 2011 at 5:06 AM Rating: Good
I can still do a fair amount of bubble spam in a 5 man. Nerf me... Oh wait.

Bliz please stop. I'm trying not to go holy.
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#49 Mar 01 2011 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, maybe they're just deconstructing disc completely so they can rebuild it from the ground up as something totally awesome? Wait, that sounds familiar. They did that for Wrath. Then ruined it for Cata. So I don't know what to make of this.

I've been using my disc spec for its survivability but I can see I'm going to have to go back to holy at some point.
#50 Mar 01 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe they just won't keep upping PW:S's mana cost, so come next tier you can spam it again and they'll pretend like nothing's wrong, which is their main tactic nowadays?
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#51 Mar 01 2011 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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LOL that is a hilarious take on it Idigg. I just wonder what playstyle they see being bad that they are trying to adjust for. I am too low level to really understand I guess. (only level 59)
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