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#1 Jan 28 2011 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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How much of a difference is there in DPS between these 2 specs if any? I've looked online but haven't found anything recent, meaning post launch of Cataclysm.

Does anyone have experience with both specs that can speak to how they differ in DPS or have numbers to post?

Also, rotation wise, how different are they, what is 2H most damaging ability over time, Obliterate or Frost Strike?
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#2 Jan 28 2011 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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My DK is almost level 72 and IMO . . . no, I am not going there.

Looks like EJ feels that DW frost is about 10% ahead of 2H frost.

That same link to EJ doesn't reveal any change in rotation for DW v. 2H, but DW will dps in frost presence while 2H does it in a most unholy manner.

#3 Jan 28 2011 at 6:59 PM Rating: Good
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EJ also says that DW frost doesn't pull ahead of 2H unholy until you are in heroic raid gear. Until then, it is the other way around, with 2H Unholy being 10% ahead of DW.
edit: did you actually mean 2H frost? Who plays that?!
Personally? I think that 10% isn't that much anyway, so would stick with whatever playstyle you prefer and think looks cooler, weapon wise.
For example, if I were to get a mixture or two of either Lava Spine and Soul Blade I would switch to them. Otherwise I will stick to 2H.

Edited, Jan 28th 2011 8:00pm by InsanityShade
#4 Jan 30 2011 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good
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I was 2H Frost for leveling with the reg Stonecore sword. When I got two 333 Str 1 handers I went DW and my DPS made a huge jump. If I get a 333 2H weapon I'd be able to more accurately compare but 10% sounds about right from my experience, roughly a 2.5k jump in DPS.

Don't like the playstyle as much but the DPS is better.


edit: 2H frost was beast for leveling, OaPH and Unholy presence make questing go so much faster. Plus diseases aren't as big of a deal as FS is more of the damage picture as opposed to Oblit for DW.



Edited, Jan 30th 2011 12:21am by Horsemouth
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#5 Jan 30 2011 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
I was 2H Frost for leveling with the reg Stonecore sword. When I got two 333 Str 1 handers I went DW and my DPS made a huge jump. If I get a 333 2H weapon I'd be able to more accurately compare but 10% sounds about right from my experience, roughly a 2.5k jump in DPS.

Don't like the playstyle as much but the DPS is better.


edit: 2H frost was beast for leveling, OaPH and Unholy presence make questing go so much faster. Plus diseases aren't as big of a deal as FS is more of the damage picture as opposed to Oblit for DW.


What kind of rotation were you using for your Frost 2H? I purchased dual-spec to try this Frost 2H leveling I've heard so much about, but it lagged behind quite a bit in DPS from my 2H Unholy build, and it also left me with much less HP. But it felt like I was playing the spec wrong, as I was primarily using Howling Blast and Frost strike...and only those. Problem was that I couldn't hit them a lot because of Rune CD and not enough rune power.
#6 Jan 31 2011 at 1:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Diseases->Blood Runes->Oblit->FS for the most part.

With diseases being put up via HB/PS or Outbreak and blood runes being either BS+BS or Pest+BS as needed. Just Oblit and FS as much as possible. Use Rime procs to keep FF up. For questing I'd let PF drop of not bother to use it. In group play I will keep it up manually via PS.

FF never drops as HB is glyphed. Same glyphs and rotation as DW tbh. Only real difference is haste is a lot sexier and you can FS more as you generate a lot more RP.
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#7 Feb 01 2011 at 7:46 PM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
edit: 2H frost was beast for leveling, OaPH and Unholy presence make questing go so much faster. Plus diseases aren't as big of a deal as FS is more of the damage picture as opposed to Oblit for DW.


Does anyone use anything but Frost Fever for Frost anyway while leveling? With a Killing Machine proc, you can pretty much one-shot stuff with Obliterate up until Northrend. Smiley: tongue

For leveling, 2h Frost is the fastest of all the specs. At least, that's what some guide I read somewhere said. Not just because of the Frost Strikes, but because Unholy Presence (which you should be using as 2h Frost) increases your movement speed, which is king while leveling.
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#8 Feb 04 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Started my dk a couple weeks ago, and 2h frost is awesome for leveling, as suggested here.
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That's the guide I read as well.

For pre-80 leveling, though, I recommend DW if you have the heirlooms. You can't spam Frost Strike (at a reduced GCD), but your Obliterate crits pretty much one-shot everything, even in Northrend. Mine currently crit for 7-8k at level 72 without Fallen Crusader up.

Most of my (single target) fights go like this: Howling Blast > Obliterate > loot. I tried the 2h build with my heirloom sword, but in my experience, it wasn't as fast, and I did less DPS in dungeons.

On a side note, Lichborne + Death Coil is win. One Coil heals me for about half my health at these levels.
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#10 Feb 21 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
Glad I came over here and read this. I'd been leveling my DK Frost DW, and while I'd been having a fine time, anything I can do to make the process faster is great.
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#11 Feb 24 2011 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Damage differences between dual-wield and 2-hand are negligible for leveling purposes. Pale Horse is going to speed up your XP/hour more than either weapon specialty. Frost is so dependent on burst anyway that nothing lives long enough to make any reliable comparison. When was the last time a quest mob lived through even one rune cycle? In my experience, only the elites.
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TherionSaysWhat wrote:
When was the last time a quest mob lived through even one rune cycle?


Well...

True.
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#13 Mar 05 2011 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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So apparently Frost DW and 2-hand are essentially equal now?

Interesting...
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