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#1 Nov 02 2010 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Am i missing something with this guy? level 12 respecced from fire to get this thing and it deals a whopping 7 damage with and amazing 10 damage when it critical hits.

For some reason it only seems to be gaining 5% of my spell power as damage and yet it has 100% of my spell power as bonus healing. Anyone know how to fix this? I submitted a ticket but i don't think that will be answered till tomorrow.

I realize i am level 12 and should not expect that much from him but come on i am hitting for 100 plus 200 criticals 7-10 damage for a talent trees glory spell is not my idea of good.

Should be noted i have 104 spell power and his spell damage states 5, and his spell healing is 104

Edited, Nov 2nd 2010 9:16pm by Aldredge
#2 Nov 03 2010 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't played with the elemental since TBC, but I did a bit of research and it sounds like it's supposed to get something like a third of your bonus damage, or at least that was how it used to work pre-patch. I've also found a couple comments that its damage at low levels is rather low, so that might be a potential oversight in its class design.

Either way, a little researching suggests that it should be doing something like 10% of your damage(though that number could be off too, as I said, it wasn't heavy research on my part). Hopefully one of our regular frosties can pop in here with some insight.

I'll try to load up my lowbie alt mage when I get home and spec her frost to see for myself how things are at around level 20, so I can give more than a basic research answer.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2010 2:41am by Poldaran
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#3 Nov 03 2010 at 3:27 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know how effective ol' Puddles is at low level, but he's worth 9-10% of a raiding (80) or Heroic (85) mage's DPS. Ever since 3.3 when they made him permanent he's been the same.
He doesn't do a lot of damage each hit, but he just keeps hitting, and that's 10+ damage per hit you'd lose without him.
Certainly better at lower levels than Pyroblast or Cooldown Blast.
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#4 Nov 03 2010 at 6:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I am beginning to think it's damage is intended, i can understand how it would add up in raiding environment and such however while leveling mobs are lucky if they survive 2 spells from me therefore i would prefer a quick cd damage spell over a very small amount that just adds extra damage over time.
#5 Nov 03 2010 at 6:30 AM Rating: Good
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Aldredge wrote:
I am beginning to think it's damage is intended, i can understand how it would add up in raiding environment and such however while leveling mobs are lucky if they survive 2 spells from me therefore i would prefer a quick cd damage spell over a very small amount that just adds extra damage over time.
At least you can shatter off the Freeze ability.
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#6 Nov 03 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Pold definitely knows what the ele is about.
Remember, in Cata Puddles doesn't lose his freeze to be permanent. There's even a talent that... affects his freeze... in some way I can't remember. Maybe it adds length to the freeze.
Puddles freeze + Nova = never getting hit.
Once you get Deep Freeze and Ice Barrier you're a destructive little snowball flinger who can't be touched, even by Micheal Jackson's Pedoghost.
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#7 Nov 04 2010 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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Since you brought up not getting hit, it should also be mentioned that proper use of Iceblock and positioning for your elemental can lead to enemies running around like idiots while you beat on them. Even ones who can't be snared or rooted. That's how I used to solo Baron Rivendare in early TBC and I can't imagine it would have changed.

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 12:25am by Poldaran
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#8 Nov 04 2010 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Thought i would post progress so far, Game Master contacted me while i was away leaving standard messages along with code to put into next ticket. Dunno if it's just a standard reply but they emailed me saying that....

After some research it appears the issue you are having may be
related to your User Interface (UI). This applies whether you have a
custom UI or not.

Deleted wtf folder and turned off all addons, damage has risen to 16 damage 25 crit however i and the ellemental are both level 15 now where as before we were 12.

I assume it's an actual issue since they didn't respond saying that the elemental is working as intended, It should be noted that while you guys may not think it's damage is that low i am running around in full heirloom gear minus one trinket i could only imagine it's damage would be a little over half what it's currently doing for a player new to the game which cataclysm and the new talents seem to be targeting.

Tried to make it legible know i failed try not to let it bother you.

Edited, Nov 4th 2010 10:36pm by Aldredge
#9 Nov 04 2010 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the Elemental.
What % of YOUR DPS is he doing? I'm willing to bet it's the 5-10% that he SHOULD be doing.
Stop wasting GM time with needless tickets, they probably just didn't understand your question.
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#10 Nov 05 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Default
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5% to 10% does sound exactly like the amount of my damage he is doing. I though with giving the numbers i made that obvious, i am not debating the usefulness of the water elementals damage at level cap in a raid scenario but in a leveling aspect where if a mob lives long enough for your water elemental to do anything but shoot once or twice then your doing something wrong.

You say i am wasting there time i say i am bringing up a possible issue with how the spell works for a leveling character which i might add is the type of player cataclysm is targeting right now.

As for misunderstanding me i doubt it i gave hard damage and spell power numbers in my ticked and also questioned whether it was the intended percentages i feel that the point of the water elemental as a talent specialization spell was to be powerful at first and then reach reasonable and ordinary levels by the time you reach the cap.
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Can you honestly tell me that, at level 20ish, Arcane Blast or Pyroblast makes up more than 10% of your DPS when used in a sane manner?
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#12 Nov 05 2010 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, they quite possibly could when soloing. If you pull with Pyro or use AB to proc your AM, I could see them work out to well over 10%. The difference is that they both cost mana and cast time, whereas the elemental really doesn't. The elemental also has the added benefit of a movement control spell and the ability to eat aggro of an adds that come at you for a short time.

Edited, Nov 5th 2010 6:15pm by Poldaran
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#13 Nov 05 2010 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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To be fair Jay, I'll have to agree with Pold. Obviously there's some manner of spells dealing different damage, but 10-20% would generally be 1/10 to 1/5 spells. Around level 20 you should kill mobs with 5-6 casts.
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#14 Nov 05 2010 at 7:44 PM Rating: Default
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Well just got in game mail from them again, and apparently it is working as intended. Can't say i agree with that but if they say so then it must be so.

Agreed about the damage spells yes the water elemental may equal the damage of the other spells over time but the fact is if the fight doesn't last long enough for the elemental to equal out then his damage is just sub par.

Regardless it's all meaningless to non leveling characters anyway and the Game Masters have spoken.
#15 Nov 05 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I retract my previous statements, after further thought i discovered i have been viewing the elementals water bolt out of the context of a fight and comparing it directly with the other level 10 talent spells.

As poldaran pointed out the water elementals spell does not cost you cast time or mana as such it's damage should just be tacked on to any spells you are currently using. In this view the damage equalizes much faster think 4-6 seconds into the fight.

My level for instance... Frost bolt 117 damage + water bolt 16 damage = 131 damage every 2 seconds
Pyroblast 190 damage every 3 seconds not including dot and whatever the arcane spell is 115 damage instant cast 5 second cool down.

So ya i was completely wrong and things look great for it especially since on top of the damage you get added utility.
#16 May 19 2011 at 5:08 AM Rating: Default
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The water elemental is mostly just for looks. It's there to distract your enemy while you bust out your chills, freezes, and bolts. I still think frost mages are the best. Even with no pet at all, they would still be the best. You know a company with a name like Blizzard is going favor the frost mage :-)

Edited, May 19th 2011 7:09am by KyndFellow
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#17 May 19 2011 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Mostly for looks? Are you off your nut? He does 7-10% of your damage on any given fight. Without the ele, a frost mage is as competitive as Helen Keller.
I hear she plays an Arcane mage, quite well.
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