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I don't have to watch sports to know that collective punishment is an outdated and retarded disciplinary form, but you're right about it not really affecting the players who have left and all that.

The crime is inexcusable, but this won't prevent anyone from doing it in the future. If anything, it'll make them cover it up better next time. You can't punish people into not being @#%^philes or whatever the guy is. It's a condition that needs treatment. It would be like spanking someone because they got the flu and then expecting them to not contract the flu next time out of fear of being spanked again.

Put the ones responsible for covering it up in jail and be done with it. No reason that everyone else has to pay for it.

Exactly. That's why I specified that I think this hurts low income athletes.

As per what kind of job can you get with a degree in Folklore? Same kind of job you can get with a degree in any liberal arts field. I understand people having something against degrees that don't lead to a specific career in a specific field, but what's wrong with knowledge for knowledge's sake? I'm getting a minor in Medieval Studies because it's something I enjoy. Plus I also think it'll help me stand out and get people to ask questions at interviews.

My aunt, uncle and cousin are in Vietnam at the moment and they reported that the most people one could fit on a scooter is 5 but I think you just outdid them with 5 and a half.

Did you manage to take a picture?

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 10:32pm by Aethien

What's an NGO and what's an EWB?

Non-Geometric Oval and Elastic Waistband?

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 10:51pm by Mazra

Non-government organization, Engineers Without Borders.

And while riding side saddle? D:

You should post some pics here, make an album om imgur or something. I want to see where you're staying and what the place looks like and all that. Pretty nature and temples and sh*t.



Also, the more I listen to these guys the more I like them:

Aaand... power cut. AC is affected, so it's bloody hot and my laptop is overheating every half hour.

If you don't punish the whole, then people can take the outlook of "it's not happening to me and I don't want any trouble."

You should really read about the stabbing of Kitty Genovese. With no accountability, things like this are incredibly easy to cover up. Having punishments for the entire university make it easier to catch next time.

I don't understand why you guys care so much; you're basically saying that unless you're a person, you can't be punished? A school can't and shouldn't be punished for covering up a heinous crime?

That's @#%^ing retarded, if you'll excuse my language. An example is being made, as this is the first case where this has come out to the public.

As far as scholarships, the students that actually want to go to college will find another way (there are tons of programs for low income kids; my ex and her sister were going through them for their education), and there are plenty of schools out there that offer football scholarships.

It's not collective punishment, BTW. It's punishing that school justifiably. This kind of thing happening is unacceptable, and that someone that the school hired and kept on in that role covered it up makes the school liable, just as if it were a professor.

YouTube makes overheating worse.

Æth, there are pictures on Facebook (loads!), I will put up the rest when I'm back in Karachi, I think. Don't need no imgur as they're not very good, anyway.

How does university in the US work? Do you just, like, study all day? I got in Urdu lessons, a few hours a week of religious education and some weeks 10+ hours of volunteering because uni is such a piss take in the UK... Also Hindi movie nights and stuff.

I believe the court system in the US says "Innocent until proven guilty", but you don't see how this clashes with "Punish them! Punish them all!"...?



As it happens, I've studied psychology and Kitty Genovese is a prime example of diffusion of responsibility. Are you arguing that people should be punished for not helping because their brains are hardwired to avoid conflict when possible? Social psychological experiments have demonstrated that individuals' failure to assist others in emergencies is not due to apathy or indifference, but rather to the presence of other people.



A school can't cover up a heinous crime. It's a building. People running the school can. Punish them.



Punishing innocent makes it collective punishment. They could root out the guilty and send them off to jail, but instead they punish everyone attending the school, whether they had anything to do with the crime or not.

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 2:33am by Mazra

When athletic events take place at a school, the school is responsible for anything that happens to the athletes, especially via one of their own employees. Ergo, the school being punished is completely reasonable and justified.


A school is an organization, like a corporation. Corporations can and are punished in the USA. It's completely legal to punish the school for the wrongdoings of members of their staff.


How are they punishing the innocent? They're punishing the school's football program, which everyone behind the coverup and the actual acts themselves were heavily involved in. Yeah Penn State fans won't be too happy with how crappy their football team will be for the next decade or so, but that's not a punishment. That's like saying Mets fans are being punished because their ownership is inept.

The only people that are affected are the people directly involved, which are the people that should be punished in any case.

Motorbikes and SE Asia go hand in hand. Everyone I know that has been has seen whole families riding around on one.

My brother has lived in HCMC for the last two years and my other friend in Phuket for about five. Neither live in a hotel as it is cheaper to rent a place. The food is cheap and delicious. Beers flow like water.

My friend makes good money for the area, he mostly supports his wife with his TESL job. He lives well and enjoys himself.

My brother makes good money for the USA and barely has any expenses.

Hotels are cheap but rent is cheaper but less amenities. So I guess there is that trade off.

The TESL game is a racket for sure. Most places state side you get a TEFL degree. Yet in many areas they want a TESL certificate plus any bachelors degree. Also the TESL schools typically place grads in jobs after.

The real money in english teaching is in the Arabian peninsula. They usually want a master degree and experience though. The money is good if you can get the jobs and behave when at the school. The money is good enough that weekends in Dubai to blow off steam are trivial from what I understand.

What about the $60 million fine? Will the football program be paying that or will the school be paying it? Granted, I don't know how wealthy universities are in the US, but I imagine having to pay that much money is going to result in some layoffs and cutbacks to earn it back. Even more so if students start transferring away to other universities.

Most US schools use semester-hours to track academic progress. A semester-hour represents 1 hour of time in-class each week, and most lecture classes are 3 or 4 hours. A rare few classes are 5 hours, and natural science science labs are generally 3 hours of lab time each week for 1 hour of credit (presumably the first hour of lab is instruction time with the following 2 hours being for experimentation). Classes generally fall into one of 4 categories. Monday/Wednesday/Friday classes are 1 hour a day, 3 days a week. Tuesday/Thursday classes are 1.5 hours a day, two days a week. Night classes start at start late in the evening and go from 6-9pm or 7-10pm one night a week for adult students that may be working around a full-time job. And finally, there are summer classes, taken in a 5 week blitz of information, 1.5 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 5 weeks. For me, summer term is for classes you really love and want to spend a lot of time on, or classes you really hate and want to get out of the way in a very short period of time.

A typical 4-year program requires between 120 and 130 semester-hours of credit to complete, with approximately 50 hours of general education courses (math, science, history, writing, speech, literature, computer sciences), 50 hours related to your major, and 20 hours in your minor (or as electives if your major doesn't have an associated minor and you haven't chosen one).

A student is considered part-time if they take 11 or fewer semester-hours in a semester. Being classified as part-time limits the amount of financial aid available and, at some schools, part-time students have a lower priority for signing up for classes. Full-time status is for students taking 12 hours or more (and to graduate in 4 years, a student actually needs about 16 semester-hours of classes each term).

So, all that being said, a typical traditional student spends 12-20 hours per week listening to lectures and/or working in a science lab. The rule-of-thumb most professors I've had is that there should be 2 hours of homework for every hour of lecture, so add another 24-40 hours of time spent studying to the time in-class. There is a federal work-study program that pays students for working on campus, and these average 10 hours a week. Including commuting, being a full time student can take anywhere from 40 hours to 90 hours a week. I'm on the upper end of that with a 1.25 hr commute each way, 18 semester-hours this coming term, and working as a math tutor).

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 8:53am by AstarintheDruid

Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal law concept. Criminal charges are pending against certain of the people involved. The "punishment" we are talking about is a civil law concept. By joining the NCAA the school agreed (contract, again a civil law concept) to abide by it's rules and accept it's findings in the event of an investigation.

The point is, there was a culture created in which it became impossible for anyone to question anything about the football program. Case in point, the janitor who witnessed an incident with the deviant and a child, and who refused to talk about it even after he left the school out of fear of reprisal. That culture had to be dismantled and these punishments go a long way to accomplishing that. Hopefully. Even after seeing emails that clearly implicate Paterno, there are "Paterno supporters" who still refuse to accept that there was anything wrong with the system. "Coach says he reported it up the chain of command, so he's in the clear. Next subject."

I can't post the political cartoon I saw, but I'll try to describe it. It's a football player in uniform and his shirt says "Penn State" on the front. He's holding a newspaper that says "NCAA Sanctions" and he's saying: "I feel so . . . violated . . ." Of course, the image conveys the message so much better, here's a link if you want to see it.

I found an old DVD I had from way back from a tour from '98 with Limp Bizkit, Ice Cube, Orgy, Rammstein and Korn.
Those nu metal bands were so gimmicky, it's @#%^ing hilarious. Except Rammstein still kicks ass because they're not trying to act cool, they're actually that @#%^ing crazy.

$60 million is the amount that the football program at Penn State is reported to make in profit every year.

Just putting that in perspective; NCAA football isn't really a school sport at the level we're talking about, it's a professional sport.

Danish cops

Wut?

See, I was thinking something very different when you said "groupie" sex.

Lets go with something more Olympics themed as an avatar. Fatima Moreira De Melo, one of the players on the Dutch women's hockey team that won the gold medal in Beijing 4 years ago.

edit: I should at least spell her name right.... Also, full sized pic. (Obviously kinda NSFW)

Edited, Jul 28th 2012 10:47pm by Aethien

The only good Olympics are the winter Olympics. 'Cause hockey.

And the mountain range in Washington.

The olympics stared the day before yesterday right? Didn't watch the opening ceremony myself, but I hear a lot of whining about it.

Also, hello, how are you guys?

Sports are boring in general. The only ones I like are the stereotypical girly sports, like figure skating, gymnastics, and volleyball. And sometimes fencing, though that one isn't girly. But yeah, I doubt I'll watch anything. I have better things to do with my time.