Forum Settings
       
This thread is locked

Bored Druid ThreadFollow

#17302 Jul 25 2012 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Personally, I'd be all for completely separating Universities and sports programs. You'll just have to figure out a decent way for everyone to go to university without mountains of debt.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17303 Jul 25 2012 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
Ghost in the Machine
Avatar
******
36,002 posts
Overlord Theophany wrote:
I know you guys don't really follow sports, and it kind of shows with how you're reacting to this. The NCAA didn't get it 100% right (the punishments should have been more severe, really), but they did a really good job and everyone who follows college sports should agree if they know anything at all.


I don't have to watch sports to know that collective punishment is an outdated and retarded disciplinary form, but you're right about it not really affecting the players who have left and all that.

The crime is inexcusable, but this won't prevent anyone from doing it in the future. If anything, it'll make them cover it up better next time. You can't punish people into not being pedophiles or whatever the guy is. It's a condition that needs treatment. It would be like spanking someone because they got the flu and then expecting them to not contract the flu next time out of fear of being spanked again.

Put the ones responsible for covering it up in jail and be done with it. No reason that everyone else has to pay for it.
____________________________
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
#17304 Jul 25 2012 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Also, omnomnom watermelon.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17305 Jul 25 2012 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
AstarintheDruid wrote:
Horsemouth wrote:
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I don't have a problem with taking away the wins. I have a problem with them decreasing the amount of scholarships Penn State can give for football. That hurts students who may have intended on going to school there. I suppose they could always hope to get a football scholarship from a different school, but I would think that less scholarships period, is going to hurt low income athletes overall.


I know they might actually have to go to class and get an education instead of riding by on a football scholarship and leaving school barely literate and not making the pros.

But they may need the scholarship to even get in the classroom door. What happens after that is all on their shoulders (and what the professors / athletic department will let the players get away with). My ex-wife went to Marshall University when Chad Pennington and Randy Moss were there and had classes with both of them. Moss was your typical "I'm a star football player, I shouldn't even have to come to class" but Pennington was practically a model student. I think athletic scholarship recipients should be held to a higher standard, and the program directors should push them away from majors with little or no future job prospects (one university in my state offers a MA in Storytelling, for example. What kind of job can you get with a Masters in Folk Stories?).


Exactly. That's why I specified that I think this hurts low income athletes.

As per what kind of job can you get with a degree in Folklore? Same kind of job you can get with a degree in any liberal arts field. I understand people having something against degrees that don't lead to a specific career in a specific field, but what's wrong with knowledge for knowledge's sake? I'm getting a minor in Medieval Studies because it's something I enjoy. Plus I also think it'll help me stand out and get people to ask questions at interviews.
____________________________
Proudmoore US server:
Popina, 90 Priest
Digits, 86 Shaman
Thelesis, 85 Mage
Willowmei, 85 Druid
Necralita, 85 DK
Shrika, 72 Warlock
Jaquelle, 54 Paladin
Grakine, 32 Hunter
The MMO-Zam's FB group. Please message me first so I know who you are.
#17306 Jul 25 2012 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
But I want to get my second degree in Punjabi poetry. Smiley: mad

Plus, a lot of jobs require any degree, nothing more, and some of them are really important and stuff like storytelling would actually help with those (thinking NGOs).

I went to a gurdwara (Sikh temple) today, and rode on the back of a motorbike like so. Also other exciting stuff. I saw a motorbike with a whole family (6 people, including the baby) on it. Legendary.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17307 Jul 25 2012 at 2:31 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
My aunt, uncle and cousin are in Vietnam at the moment and they reported that the most people one could fit on a scooter is 5 but I think you just outdid them with 5 and a half. Smiley: tongue

Did you manage to take a picture?

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 10:32pm by Aethien
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17308 Jul 25 2012 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Lol. Hello, random family on a motorbike, can I take your picture? I was on one myself! Smiley: tongue

Vietnam sounds like fun.

3 people are pretty regular here. Either 3 guys or parents plus one child, usually.


Oh, general advice for people in education:

Get involved with an NGO, if you haven't done so. Either find one at home (EWB for example has university chapters in lots of places and there's always fundraising and training), or go abroad and work for a local. International NGOs are incredibly hit and miss, and you might just spend a month or three in Cambodia trying to explain surveys to villagers without getting anything done.

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 8:43pm by Kalivha
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17309 Jul 25 2012 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
Ghost in the Machine
Avatar
******
36,002 posts
What's an NGO and what's an EWB?

Non-Geometric Oval and Elastic Waistband?

Edited, Jul 25th 2012 10:51pm by Mazra
____________________________
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
#17310 Jul 25 2012 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Kalivha wrote:
Lol. Hello, random family on a motorbike, can I take your picture? I was on one myself! Smiley: tongue

Vietnam sounds like fun.
Pull out your phone/camera and shoot while riding?
Also Vietnam does sound like fun, lots of tropical forest, temples and from what I've heard, really really fancy hotel rooms for very little money. Smiley: grin
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17311 Jul 25 2012 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Non-government organization, Engineers Without Borders.

And while riding side saddle? D:
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17312 Jul 25 2012 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Also, I'm staying in a fancy hotel ("exactive club", as they call it, haha) for like €12 a night at the moment. It's still costly, considering I'm staying 2 weeks. But... dry cleaning. The only problem is that all my clothes are at the dry cleaner's till noon tomorrow and I'm wearing the only clean thing I have now, my abaya.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17313 Jul 25 2012 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
You should post some pics here, make an album om imgur or something. I want to see where you're staying and what the place looks like and all that. Pretty nature and temples and ****



Also, the more I listen to these guys the more I like them:
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17314 Jul 25 2012 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
11,624 posts
PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
Same kind of job you can get with a degree in any liberal arts field. I understand people having something against degrees that don't lead to a specific career in a specific field, but what's wrong with knowledge for knowledge's sake? I'm getting a minor in Medieval Studies because it's something I enjoy. Plus I also think it'll help me stand out and get people to ask questions at interviews.


I'm all for knowledge for knowledge's sake. Heck, I took 2 years of Chinese and got a philosophy minor mostly for the fun of it. Smiley: grin

Of course there were also the Biology/Chemistry classes that were the focus of what I was doing, the 2 internships, and the work-study lab job. It's not that one shouldn't be encouraged to take classes they enjoy, it's just sometimes I wish colleges should do more to ensure their students aren't graduating with $35,000 in debt and no decent job prospects. Is that really the college's fault? Beats me, it kinda seems like it defeats the purpose of it all though if you can't get a job out of college. I dunno though, I mean really getting a decent job was the reason I went to college I guess. The fun classes were a great experience and all, but they were kind of secondary.

Or something like that. Smiley: rolleyes
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#17315 Jul 25 2012 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Aaand... power cut. AC is affected, so it's **** hot and my laptop is overheating every half hour. Smiley: mad
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17316 Jul 25 2012 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Kalivha wrote:
Aaand... power cut. AC is affected, so it's **** hot and my laptop is overheating every half hour. Smiley: mad
Here, have an icecube. A song about one anyway. It's a cool song too so maybe that helps? Smiley: tongue
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17317 Jul 25 2012 at 4:26 PM Rating: Excellent
Does it from behind...
Avatar
*****
13,048 posts
Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
I know you guys don't really follow sports, and it kind of shows with how you're reacting to this. The NCAA didn't get it 100% right (the punishments should have been more severe, really), but they did a really good job and everyone who follows college sports should agree if they know anything at all.


I don't have to watch sports to know that collective punishment is an outdated and retarded disciplinary form, but you're right about it not really affecting the players who have left and all that.

The crime is inexcusable, but this won't prevent anyone from doing it in the future. If anything, it'll make them cover it up better next time. You can't punish people into not being @#%^philes or whatever the guy is. It's a condition that needs treatment. It would be like spanking someone because they got the flu and then expecting them to not contract the flu next time out of fear of being spanked again.

Put the ones responsible for covering it up in jail and be done with it. No reason that everyone else has to pay for it.

If you don't punish the whole, then people can take the outlook of "it's not happening to me and I don't want any trouble."

You should really read about the stabbing of Kitty Genovese. With no accountability, things like this are incredibly easy to cover up. Having punishments for the entire university make it easier to catch next time.

I don't understand why you guys care so much; you're basically saying that unless you're a person, you can't be punished? A school can't and shouldn't be punished for covering up a heinous crime?

That's **** retarded, if you'll excuse my language. An example is being made, as this is the first case where this has come out to the public.

As far as scholarships, the students that actually want to go to college will find another way (there are tons of programs for low income kids; my ex and her sister were going through them for their education), and there are plenty of schools out there that offer football scholarships.

It's not collective punishment, BTW. It's punishing that school justifiably. This kind of thing happening is unacceptable, and that someone that the school hired and kept on in that role covered it up makes the school liable, just as if it were a professor.
____________________________
The·oph·a·ny (thē-ŏf'ə-nē)
An appearance of a god to a human; a divine manifestation.
Rogue Hunter
#17318 Jul 25 2012 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
I get the collective punishment. It's a good way to show that covering up or ignoring a crime "for the good of the sports program" is really not good for the program in the long run.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17319 Jul 25 2012 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
YouTube makes overheating worse.

Æth, there are pictures on Facebook (loads!), I will put up the rest when I'm back in Karachi, I think. Don't need no imgur as they're not very good, anyway.

How does university in the US work? Do you just, like, study all day? I got in Urdu lessons, a few hours a week of religious education and some weeks 10+ hours of volunteering because uni is such a **** take in the UK... Also Hindi movie nights and stuff.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17320 Jul 25 2012 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
I really don't ever check Facebook anymore.

Also, apparently Pandariastuffs is almost out? D3 launcher is advertising it anyway. Anyone here getting it?
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17321 Jul 25 2012 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
Ghost in the Machine
Avatar
******
36,002 posts
Overlord Theophany wrote:
If you don't punish the whole, then people can take the outlook of "it's not happening to me and I don't want any trouble."


I believe the court system in the US says "Innocent until proven guilty", but you don't see how this clashes with "Punish them! Punish them all!"...?

Overlord Theophany wrote:
You should really read about the stabbing of Kitty Genovese. With no accountability, things like this are incredibly easy to cover up. Having punishments for the entire university make it easier to catch next time.


As it happens, I've studied psychology and Kitty Genovese is a prime example of diffusion of responsibility. Are you arguing that people should be punished for not helping because their brains are hardwired to avoid conflict when possible? Social psychological experiments have demonstrated that individuals' failure to assist others in emergencies is not due to apathy or indifference, but rather to the presence of other people.

Overlord Theophany wrote:
I don't understand why you guys care so much; you're basically saying that unless you're a person, you can't be punished? A school can't and shouldn't be punished for covering up a heinous crime?


A school can't cover up a heinous crime. It's a building. People running the school can. Punish them.

Overlord Theophany wrote:
It's not collective punishment, BTW. It's punishing that school justifiably. This kind of thing happening is unacceptable, and that someone that the school hired and kept on in that role covered it up makes the school liable, just as if it were a professor.


Punishing innocent makes it collective punishment. They could root out the guilty and send them off to jail, but instead they punish everyone attending the school, whether they had anything to do with the crime or not.

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 2:33am by Mazra
____________________________
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
#17322 Jul 25 2012 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
Kalivha wrote:

How does university in the US work? Do you just, like, study all day? I got in Urdu lessons, a few hours a week of religious education and some weeks 10+ hours of volunteering because uni is such a **** take in the UK... Also Hindi movie nights and stuff.


I wouldn't go so far as to say all day. But it probably depends a lot on your major. As an English major, I have a LOT of reading to do. I'd say on average, if I was doing what I was supposed to be doing, I'd spend 6-8 hours a day on school stuff, between classes and homework. Midterms and finals, I'd be spending more than that.

Also, what Maz said.
____________________________
Proudmoore US server:
Popina, 90 Priest
Digits, 86 Shaman
Thelesis, 85 Mage
Willowmei, 85 Druid
Necralita, 85 DK
Shrika, 72 Warlock
Jaquelle, 54 Paladin
Grakine, 32 Hunter
The MMO-Zam's FB group. Please message me first so I know who you are.
#17323 Jul 26 2012 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
Does it from behind...
Avatar
*****
13,048 posts
Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
If you don't punish the whole, then people can take the outlook of "it's not happening to me and I don't want any trouble."


I believe the court system in the US says "Innocent until proven guilty", but you don't see how this clashes with "Punish them! Punish them all!"...?

When athletic events take place at a school, the school is responsible for anything that happens to the athletes, especially via one of their own employees. Ergo, the school being punished is completely reasonable and justified.

Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
I don't understand why you guys care so much; you're basically saying that unless you're a person, you can't be punished? A school can't and shouldn't be punished for covering up a heinous crime?


A school can't cover up a heinous crime. It's a building. People running the school can. Punish them.

A school is an organization, like a corporation. Corporations can and are punished in the USA. It's completely legal to punish the school for the wrongdoings of members of their staff.

Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
It's not collective punishment, BTW. It's punishing that school justifiably. This kind of thing happening is unacceptable, and that someone that the school hired and kept on in that role covered it up makes the school liable, just as if it were a professor.


Punishing innocent makes it collective punishment. They could root out the guilty and send them off to jail, but instead they punish everyone attending the school, whether they had anything to do with the crime or not.

How are they punishing the innocent? They're punishing the school's football program, which everyone behind the coverup and the actual acts themselves were heavily involved in. Yeah Penn State fans won't be too happy with how crappy their football team will be for the next decade or so, but that's not a punishment. That's like saying Mets fans are being punished because their ownership is inept.

The only people that are affected are the people directly involved, which are the people that should be punished in any case.
____________________________
The·oph·a·ny (thē-ŏf'ə-nē)
An appearance of a god to a human; a divine manifestation.
Rogue Hunter
#17324 Jul 26 2012 at 1:17 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
If you don't punish the whole, then people can take the outlook of "it's not happening to me and I don't want any trouble."


I believe the court system in the US says "Innocent until proven guilty", but you don't see how this clashes with "Punish them! Punish them all!"...
They didn't punish everyone though, they punished the program itself because over time there must have been a lot of people who knew or suspected something but kept quiet because they were winning. Taking these wins away from them is a sane and logical punishment.

It doesn't hurt individual athletes/students as they can transfer, have already moved on to a job/pro league or for future students, they still have plenty of other schools to choose from. What it does accomplish is that at least for the next couple of years, if someone suspects or knows about a crime happening they won't keep quiet because they want the program to do well.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17325 Jul 26 2012 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
****
7,545 posts
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Kalivha wrote:
Lol. Hello, random family on a motorbike, can I take your picture? I was on one myself! Smiley: tongue

Vietnam sounds like fun.
Pull out your phone/camera and shoot while riding?
Also Vietnam does sound like fun, lots of tropical forest, temples and from what I've heard, really really fancy hotel rooms for very little money. Smiley: grin


Motorbikes and SE Asia go hand in hand. Everyone I know that has been has seen whole families riding around on one.

My brother has lived in HCMC for the last two years and my other friend in Phuket for about five. Neither live in a hotel as it is cheaper to rent a place. The food is cheap and delicious. Beers flow like water.

My friend makes good money for the area, he mostly supports his wife with his TESL job. He lives well and enjoys himself.

My brother makes good money for the USA and barely has any expenses.
____________________________
Hellbanned

idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
#17326 Jul 26 2012 at 3:13 AM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Yeah, cost of living is even lower in SE Asia than here.

The thing is, in some places over there hotels are so cheap you might as well get one.

We do not really have beer here (it's available, especially once you leave Karachi, but you kinda need to know people).

Teaching English abroad is really cool, I think, but it's also problematic because a lot of jobs are scams. That's why I'll stick to doing it for NGOs, I guess. If I don't earn money, I might as well do it in a place where that is the norm.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17327 Jul 26 2012 at 3:41 AM Rating: Good
****
7,545 posts
Kalivha wrote:
Yeah, cost of living is even lower in SE Asia than here.

The thing is, in some places over there hotels are so cheap you might as well get one.

We do not really have beer here (it's available, especially once you leave Karachi, but you kinda need to know people).

Teaching English abroad is really cool, I think, but it's also problematic because a lot of jobs are scams. That's why I'll stick to doing it for NGOs, I guess. If I don't earn money, I might as well do it in a place where that is the norm.


Hotels are cheap but rent is cheaper but less amenities. So I guess there is that trade off.

The TESL game is a racket for sure. Most places state side you get a TEFL degree. Yet in many areas they want a TESL certificate plus any bachelors degree. Also the TESL schools typically place grads in jobs after.

The real money in english teaching is in the Arabian peninsula. They usually want a master degree and experience though. The money is good if you can get the jobs and behave when at the school. The money is good enough that weekends in Dubai to blow off steam are trivial from what I understand.
____________________________
Hellbanned

idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
#17328 Jul 26 2012 at 3:53 AM Rating: Good
Yup, that's what I've heard too, that Middle Eastern countries pay the best but want a lot of experience. So it's best to stick to Asian countries when you first start out. China and South Korea are supposed to pay the best. I don't want to deal with icky censorship issues, which is why I'm planning on going to South Korea.

Also, sounds like I'm a shoe-in for the dumb blonde part I'm going after for the next play. The only person who is competition for me is one of my girl pirates, and she just turned 16. This character is supposed to be sexy, and she kisses two different male characters, one of whom is going to be played by a guy in his 60's. Not that I'm fond of the idea of kissing a guy that old, but I think I'll be more comfortable with it than a 16 year old, lol.
____________________________
Proudmoore US server:
Popina, 90 Priest
Digits, 86 Shaman
Thelesis, 85 Mage
Willowmei, 85 Druid
Necralita, 85 DK
Shrika, 72 Warlock
Jaquelle, 54 Paladin
Grakine, 32 Hunter
The MMO-Zam's FB group. Please message me first so I know who you are.
#17329 Jul 26 2012 at 4:09 AM Rating: Good
Ghost in the Machine
Avatar
******
36,002 posts
Overlord Theophany wrote:
They're punishing the school's football program, which everyone behind the coverup and the actual acts themselves were heavily involved in.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
They didn't punish everyone though, they punished the program itself because over time there must have been a lot of people who knew or suspected something but kept quiet because they were winning. Taking these wins away from them is a sane and logical punishment.


What about the $60 million fine? Will the football program be paying that or will the school be paying it? Granted, I don't know how wealthy universities are in the US, but I imagine having to pay that much money is going to result in some layoffs and cutbacks to earn it back. Even more so if students start transferring away to other universities.
____________________________
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
#17330 Jul 26 2012 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
Ghost in the Machine
Avatar
******
36,002 posts
Oh my, the ad on the right said my IP was randomly drawn from some website's "coincidence generator" (edit: that's what it said) and now another ad for another website is saying the same thing.

I wonder if I can play my IP numbers in the lottery. Might be worth a try.

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 12:51pm by Mazra
____________________________
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
#17331 Jul 26 2012 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
***
1,764 posts
Kalivha wrote:
How does university in the US work? Do you just, like, study all day? I got in Urdu lessons, a few hours a week of religious education and some weeks 10+ hours of volunteering because uni is such a **** take in the UK... Also Hindi movie nights and stuff.


Most US schools use semester-hours to track academic progress. A semester-hour represents 1 hour of time in-class each week, and most lecture classes are 3 or 4 hours. A rare few classes are 5 hours, and natural science science labs are generally 3 hours of lab time each week for 1 hour of credit (presumably the first hour of lab is instruction time with the following 2 hours being for experimentation). Classes generally fall into one of 4 categories. Monday/Wednesday/Friday classes are 1 hour a day, 3 days a week. Tuesday/Thursday classes are 1.5 hours a day, two days a week. Night classes start at start late in the evening and go from 6-9pm or 7-10pm one night a week for adult students that may be working around a full-time job. And finally, there are summer classes, taken in a 5 week blitz of information, 1.5 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 5 weeks. For me, summer term is for classes you really love and want to spend a lot of time on, or classes you really hate and want to get out of the way in a very short period of time.

A typical 4-year program requires between 120 and 130 semester-hours of credit to complete, with approximately 50 hours of general education courses (math, science, history, writing, speech, literature, computer sciences), 50 hours related to your major, and 20 hours in your minor (or as electives if your major doesn't have an associated minor and you haven't chosen one).

A student is considered part-time if they take 11 or fewer semester-hours in a semester. Being classified as part-time limits the amount of financial aid available and, at some schools, part-time students have a lower priority for signing up for classes. Full-time status is for students taking 12 hours or more (and to graduate in 4 years, a student actually needs about 16 semester-hours of classes each term).

So, all that being said, a typical traditional student spends 12-20 hours per week listening to lectures and/or working in a science lab. The rule-of-thumb most professors I've had is that there should be 2 hours of homework for every hour of lecture, so add another 24-40 hours of time spent studying to the time in-class. There is a federal work-study program that pays students for working on campus, and these average 10 hours a week. Including commuting, being a full time student can take anywhere from 40 hours to 90 hours a week. I'm on the upper end of that with a 1.25 hr commute each way, 18 semester-hours this coming term, and working as a math tutor).

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 8:53am by AstarintheDruid
____________________________
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
As a forum admin, you... see things. Things that you can never unsee. Things that make you fervently wish to protect other people from ever seeing those things. This is why forum admins are sometimes cranky.
#17332 Jul 26 2012 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
11,624 posts
That's a pretty accurate summary.

IIRC I was usually about 20hrs of class time and about 20-30 hours of homework a week; that class time was usually pretty lab-heavy though. I usually did about 5-10hrs a week with the work study job and another 5-20 or so at internships. Our school did semesters, and had an optional period in January where you could take a single class of a month. That was a great time to take a break, and have a fun class for a bit before hitting the grind again. But yeah, with everything 50-60hr weeks were pretty much the norm. Don't recall having much of a social life outside the Mrs. Smiley: lol
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#17333 Jul 26 2012 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
***
1,970 posts
Mazra wrote:
I believe the court system in the US says "Innocent until proven guilty", but you don't see how this clashes with "Punish them! Punish them all!"...?

Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal law concept. Criminal charges are pending against certain of the people involved. The "punishment" we are talking about is a civil law concept. By joining the NCAA the school agreed (contract, again a civil law concept) to abide by it's rules and accept it's findings in the event of an investigation.

The point is, there was a culture created in which it became impossible for anyone to question anything about the football program. Case in point, the janitor who witnessed an incident with the deviant and a child, and who refused to talk about it even after he left the school out of fear of reprisal. That culture had to be dismantled and these punishments go a long way to accomplishing that. Hopefully. Even after seeing emails that clearly implicate Paterno, there are "Paterno supporters" who still refuse to accept that there was anything wrong with the system. "Coach says he reported it up the chain of command, so he's in the clear. Next subject."

I can't post the political cartoon I saw, but I'll try to describe it. It's a football player in uniform and his shirt says "Penn State" on the front. He's holding a newspaper that says "NCAA Sanctions" and he's saying: "I feel so . . . violated . . ." Of course, the image conveys the message so much better, here's a link if you want to see it.
____________________________
One of my opinions is worth three of your facts.

#17334 Jul 26 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
That sounds kind of harsh. I think 60-70 hours should be normal here, but from what I've seen only about 20% of students take internships even in the 5 month summer break and then people get drunk between lectures and whatnot.

I personally spent about 50-60 hours a week on campus, but that was with events from NGOs, community iftars and similar things, random other events and meetings, and also counting time on Edinburgh University campus for similar activities. Plus, in the end, I probably spent at least 20% of my time on campus in the mosque or the pub. Smiley: lol

I probably dedicated an average of 4 hours a week to homework and didn't revise and got punished with a B average. I figured I'd do other stuff as only the last 2 years count for my GPA.

In Pakistan now (at Karachi University) I've been working 9:30-5:30, Mon-Thu and Sat, and 9:30-3:30 Fri (so that'd be 46 hours a week), plus going in early some days. Now that I have a month to complete my thesis, I might actually go in early most days, especially since Ramazan means sleeping after work for at least an hour, as well, unless I get confirmation that I shouldn't fast for medical reasons.

I just took up an editing job for a local newspaper in Lahore, so we'll see how that goes, from the UK. Hopefully by next year I have a plan in place that involves good NGO work, a full time job/education and that. Working more is actually nicer... Smiley: lol


Concerning TEFL in Saudi and such: I got an e-mail offering a position at a university over there. Heh. Honestly? Personal freedom is not that important (there are pockets of "liberalism" everywhere, like I know of **** cafés in Tehran and Karachi). What bothers me is not getting out (and that's a problem in Karachi, not so much in Lahore). In Karachi I feel like I live in a village rather than a city. Smiley: mad People actually refer to the neighbourhoods as villages because it's very rare to go to a different one than where you live and work. Lahore is like a 10 million people strong happy family ... and Jamaat-e-Islami and a small Tehreek-e-Taliban faction. They aren't anyone's family.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17335 Jul 26 2012 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
I found an old DVD I had from way back from a tour from '98 with Limp Bizkit, Ice Cube, Orgy, Rammstein and Korn.
Those nu metal bands were so gimmicky, it's **** hilarious. Except Rammstein still kicks **** because they're not trying to act cool, they're actually that **** crazy.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17336 Jul 26 2012 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
I really need to upload the Punjabi rap I recorded for Maz' entertainment.

Also, I think I got a marriage proposal from a married guy today, and just... found my soulmate or something. Well, a guy who is freaking me out. Either he is hardcore gaming me and I can't see how he is doing it, or he's genuinely like a male Pakistani version of me on nearly every level. He mentioned the village I've been obsessing about for 2 years (which I never really mentioned to anyone online) and that he lived there. How. He also lived next door do where I live now. And that's not even where it ends. It's like a convergence of Pigtails, Islam, Karl Marx, biryani and mountain lions.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17337 Jul 26 2012 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
Does it from behind...
Avatar
*****
13,048 posts
Mazra wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
They're punishing the school's football program, which everyone behind the coverup and the actual acts themselves were heavily involved in.
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
They didn't punish everyone though, they punished the program itself because over time there must have been a lot of people who knew or suspected something but kept quiet because they were winning. Taking these wins away from them is a sane and logical punishment.


What about the $60 million fine? Will the football program be paying that or will the school be paying it? Granted, I don't know how wealthy universities are in the US, but I imagine having to pay that much money is going to result in some layoffs and cutbacks to earn it back. Even more so if students start transferring away to other universities.

$60 million is the amount that the football program at Penn State is reported to make in profit every year.

Just putting that in perspective; NCAA football isn't really a school sport at the level we're talking about, it's a professional sport.
____________________________
The·oph·a·ny (thē-ŏf'ə-nē)
An appearance of a god to a human; a divine manifestation.
Rogue Hunter
#17338 Jul 27 2012 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
A text I just received: "Lets go to some bourgeois place phir!" ... most quotable text I received, like ever.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17339 Jul 27 2012 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Danish cops Smiley: thumbsup
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17340 Jul 27 2012 at 3:37 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
So I just had groupie sex. In Pakistan. Brain... brain. Y u no work? Smiley: lol
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17341 Jul 27 2012 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Wut?
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17342 Jul 27 2012 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Singer from one of my favourite bands. Ehehehe. I don't even know.

I want to find a job over here. Or at least Islamabad so I can commute.
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17343 Jul 27 2012 at 11:22 PM Rating: Good
See, I was thinking something very different when you said "groupie" sex.
____________________________
Proudmoore US server:
Popina, 90 Priest
Digits, 86 Shaman
Thelesis, 85 Mage
Willowmei, 85 Druid
Necralita, 85 DK
Shrika, 72 Warlock
Jaquelle, 54 Paladin
Grakine, 32 Hunter
The MMO-Zam's FB group. Please message me first so I know who you are.
#17344 Jul 28 2012 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
**** Scottish morons... Brewdog made an Olympics beer: Never Mind The Anabolics. It contains forbidden substances for Athletes... Smiley: lol
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17345 Jul 28 2012 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Lets go with something more Olympics themed as an avatar. Fatima Moreira De Melo, one of the players on the Dutch women's hockey team that won the gold medal in Beijing 4 years ago.

edit: I should at least spell her name right.... Also, full sized pic. (Obviously kinda NSFW)

Edited, Jul 28th 2012 10:47pm by Aethien
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17346 Jul 28 2012 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
****
9,435 posts
Yeah, me being the groupie.

Turns out he's poly, too.

Pakistan is such a confusing place.

And I want to like... do things with that guy who I clicked with so ridiculously. I managed to tip over slash ruin someone's marriage by just existing and want to fix that. I want to socialise and meet like 3-4 different friends each day some more. And do work related random things over here (both NGO wise and chemistry wise). I don't want to leave Lahore in a few hours!
____________________________
Support Ahmadiyya
#17347 Jul 28 2012 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
Does it from behind...
Avatar
*****
13,048 posts
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Lets go with something more Olympics themed as an avatar. Fatima Moreira De Melo, one of the players on the Dutch women's hockey team that won the gold medal in Beijing 4 years ago.

edit: I should at least spell her name right.... Also, full sized pic. (Obviously kinda NSFW)

Edited, Jul 28th 2012 10:47pm by Aethien

The only good Olympics are the winter Olympics. 'Cause hockey.

And the mountain range in Washington.
____________________________
The·oph·a·ny (thē-ŏf'ə-nē)
An appearance of a god to a human; a divine manifestation.
Rogue Hunter
#17348 Jul 29 2012 at 1:05 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
Summer Olympics have hockey too. Real hockey even.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17349 Jul 29 2012 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
Sage
Avatar
**
614 posts
The olympics stared the day before yesterday right? Didn't watch the opening ceremony myself, but I hear a lot of whining about it.

Also, hello, how are you guys?
#17350 Jul 29 2012 at 7:54 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
******
27,029 posts
I'm mostly good, kind of sick but I just saw the Dutch women's hockey team beat the Belgians and now I'm watching the women's cycling race.


Also, I have a metric crapton of beer. Smiley: grin


EDIT: I do not envy those women cycling there. Riding on wheels with a width of about half an inch and no profile whatsoever on soaking wet roads at 30 miles/hour...

Edit2: First gold medal for the Netherlands, gogo Marianne Vos!

Edited, Jul 29th 2012 4:45pm by Aethien
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#17351 Jul 29 2012 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
Sports are boring in general. The only ones I like are the stereotypical girly sports, like figure skating, gymnastics, and volleyball. And sometimes fencing, though that one isn't girly. But yeah, I doubt I'll watch anything. I have better things to do with my time.
____________________________
Proudmoore US server:
Popina, 90 Priest
Digits, 86 Shaman
Thelesis, 85 Mage
Willowmei, 85 Druid
Necralita, 85 DK
Shrika, 72 Warlock
Jaquelle, 54 Paladin
Grakine, 32 Hunter
The MMO-Zam's FB group. Please message me first so I know who you are.
This thread is locked
You cannot post in a locked topic!
Recent Visitors: 40 All times are in CDT
Aethien, idiggory, lolgaxe, someproteinguy, Xsarus, Anonymous Guests (35)