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#19452 Jan 04 2013 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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Why does the first page of every thread have 51 posts but every page after that has 50?

I'm sure it's some obvious answer, but it sure escapes me.

Also, Horse, is it true that Asians in Hawaii are liberal despite usually being more industrious and hard-working? I know this isn't a political forum, I just wanted to get it from the Horse's mouth, so to speak. You know, from someone who lives in Hawaii.

Because Lord knows, all these **** liberals here in New York are just lazing around, not working, not doing anything constructive, just sittin' in the corner waitin' for someone to come along and feed 'em with a sling-shot.

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#19453 Jan 04 2013 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's because the OP is separate from the rest of the thread. I'm not sure why it's that way.
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#19454 Jan 04 2013 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
Sometimes this town is awesome... sometimes. Like today, I was driving across the bridge that connects "Harbor" to Brookings to pick up a friend, and I noticed that there was a dead deer in the bike lane/walking area. After I go and pick him up and we decide to drive into the port area to get some lunch, we see the deer again, only now it has a "Get Well Soon" balloon tied to its leg. Only in Brookings. Smiley: lol
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#19455 Jan 05 2013 at 1:35 AM Rating: Good
At first I thought you meant you picked up the dead deer. Smiley: laugh

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#19456 Jan 05 2013 at 2:29 AM Rating: Good
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Omnomnom venison.
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#19457 Jan 05 2013 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
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I'd love a slab of venison right now, Or Ostrich. Ostrich is good too. I tried to eat a burger earlier, got about 3 bites in before I had to stop and run to the bathroom. They need to hurry up and make a liquid diet that's actually good for you.
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#19458 Jan 05 2013 at 4:50 AM Rating: Good
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cynyck wrote:
Why does the first page of every thread have 51 posts but every page after that has 50?

I'm sure it's some obvious answer, but it sure escapes me.

Also, Horse, is it true that Asians in Hawaii are liberal despite usually being more industrious and hard-working? I know this isn't a political forum, I just wanted to get it from the Horse's mouth, so to speak. You know, from someone who lives in Hawaii.

Because Lord knows, all these **** liberals here in New York are just lazing around, not working, not doing anything constructive, just sittin' in the corner waitin' for someone to come along and feed 'em with a sling-shot.



I very drunk.

But yes Asians are liberals out here. I'm not reading the link so be more specific for a better answer but: Everyone is a liberal when the weather is nice and people are friendly.
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#19459 Jan 05 2013 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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Page post # are off cause of nuked posts.

This song is awesome. I can't find it on youtube or anywhere. So deal with this shitty link.

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#19460 Jan 05 2013 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
Venison is indeed yummy. But I don't think road kill venison would be very tasty.
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#19461 Jan 06 2013 at 3:54 AM Rating: Good
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Christ, I'm getting too old for this ****

Spent all of yesterday socializing with the people on my floor. It was awesome - good food, cleaning and party afterwards. Had some beers and was then stupid enough to smoke a joint with some of the others. I crashed. Hard. Went to my room to pee and woke up this morning with my clothes on, half-sitting on my bed. Good stuff.

I don't know if the effect of hash is different from person to person, but it works like an accelerant on me. It's like it multiplies the effect of the alcohol. Honestly, I don't like it. Means I can drink less before I crash, which is not fair to all that delicious beer.
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#19462 Jan 06 2013 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, Hash is horrible. If you're going to smoke weed and don't want to crash, don't smoke hash or oil. It's the two hardest hitting ways of getting THC. First time I tried oil, I had way, way too much and passed out and woke up 5 hours later, but that's what I get for smoking it from a Vapourizer.. Maz, was the joint rolled with tobacco then crumbled hash in? Also, I'm not a fan of drinking while smoking, it either ruins the taste of the beer or ruins the taste of the weed. Or was it actual weed? Also, does half an ounce of weed a week seem like too much?
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#19463 Jan 06 2013 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Double post.

Edited, Jan 6th 2013 7:55am by Sgriob
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#19464 Jan 06 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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It was hash, not weed. And yeah, mixed with roasted tobacco from a cigarette.

Not much of a smoker, but it was passed around and it'd been a while since I last tried it. I don't need to try it again for a while. Couldn't walk straight and I only had five or six beers. Smiley: oyvey
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#19465 Jan 06 2013 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I can't smoke like that either. Last time I tried a tobacco/hash joint was in Scotland, it made me sick. Right now I'm smoking Northern Lights. It's freaking awesome. You feel nothing while your smoking, then about ten minutes later, you sink into the couch and the awesome starts, hits you like a brick wall. I get why people don't like smoking weed, it's definitely a personal preference thing. I don't drink anymore, I'd rather spend less money and get a painkiller, sleep aid, and help with eating.
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#19466 Jan 06 2013 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
Only 5 or 6? Smiley: lol I'd probably be passed out if I had that much, but I'm a lightweight.
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#19467 Jan 06 2013 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't know Maz was a lightweight.

I stopped smoking weed years ago so I really can't talk but still.... Smiley: lol
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I was doing fine with my six-pack until I started smoking. It was like it multiplied the drunkenness by three or four. Went from tipsy to tumbling around in the hallway because my legs weren't functioning in like ten minutes.

I'll stick to the beer for now.
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#19469 Jan 07 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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That's called a green out/whitey. At least that's what it sounds like.
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#19470 Jan 07 2013 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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You people need to post more.

cynyck wrote:
Also, Horse, is it true that Asians in Hawaii are liberal despite usually being more industrious and hard-working? I know this isn't a political forum, I just wanted to get it from the Horse's mouth, so to speak. You know, from someone who lives in Hawaii.


Religious white people from the mainland haven't always been the nicest the island residents, historically speaking. Also, something about my father-in-law having 3 jobs to afford to live there. Then they moved here, he's working 1 job, my mother-in-law quit her job, and they live in a nicer house in a nicer neighborhood.

Or something... Smiley: rolleyes

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Because Lord knows, all these **** liberals here in New York are just lazing around, not working, not doing anything constructive, just sittin' in the corner waitin' for someone to come along and feed 'em with a sling-shot.


**** hippies, always waiting for a sling-shot! Smiley: motz
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#19471 Jan 07 2013 at 10:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also, in the spirit of posting more, the wife just called. She loved your link cynyck and spend a good portion of the morning laughing, then said something about stupid people and white Republicans.

Either way, she said you can have a cookie on me.

Smiley: cookie
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#19472 Jan 07 2013 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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That mediaite site makes me want to claw my eyes out.
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Also, in the spirit of posting more, the wife just called. She loved your link cynyck and spend a good portion of the morning laughing, then said something about stupid people and white Republicans.

Either way, she said you can have a cookie on me.

Smiley: cookie

Ah, thank you Mrs. protein. Now to scare up some cold milk.

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That mediaite site makes me want to claw my eyes out.

In my defense, I got to that link from the google news page and stayed only long enough to copy/paste the url. I don't think I could spend more than thirty seconds staring at that horribly designed eye-bleeder of a web site.

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#19475 Jan 07 2013 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes, I wish I lived in the States just so I could watch Bill O'Reilly. It's got to be some of the best political satire I've seen in North America. You guys just don't do it as well as the Brits.
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#19476 Jan 07 2013 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone heard from dig? Haven't seen him post in a long while.

I hope he is well.

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Also, in the spirit of posting more, the wife just called. She loved your link cynyck and spend a good portion of the morning laughing, then said something about stupid people and white Republicans.

Either way, she said you can have a cookie on me.

Smiley: cookie

Meh, I'm a white Republican. I vote moderate/progressive on a lot of issues other than government/government spending. Not all of us are retards. 99% are, but there's the 1% like my family.
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#19478 Jan 07 2013 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
Theo's part of the 1%!!!! I knew it!

Also I dunno about Digg. I haven't seen him post here or on facebook in a couple weeks. Now I'm worried...
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Theo's part of the 1%!!!! I knew it!

Kind of surprised that you didn't know that as a fact.
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#19480 Jan 08 2013 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
I don't like to ASSume. Smiley: grin
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Theo's part of the 1%!!!! I knew it!

Also I dunno about Digg. I haven't seen him post here or on facebook in a couple weeks. Now I'm worried...

He's probably just working his **** off, climbing the corporate ladder of success.

Just think, we'll be able to say we knew him when.


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#19483 Jan 08 2013 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
Libertarian master race, reporting in!
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#19484 Jan 08 2013 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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I tend to vote left of center here which probably translated to **** mother@#%^ing communist!" in America.


Edit: I should add, we literally call our right wing liberals.


Also, this is the greatest drinking beer ever made. It's a challenge to only drink 1 pint.

Edited, Jan 8th 2013 9:29pm by Aethien
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I tend to vote left of center here which probably translated to **** mother@#%^ing communist!" in America


I'm not sure we even have a word for that here. Pretty sure y'all get burned at the stake before a label can be applied.

Also must google beer now...
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Yeah, I believe in never letting people fall below a certain minimum where they have shelter and 2 or 3 meals a day unless they choose to do so. I also think that most drugs should be legalized (and controlled) and that healthcare, both physical and mental, should be readily available to anyone.

I'm pretty sure that would make me a wanted man in some of the red states of the US.


Oh and Fuller's ESB is not too bitter, not too sweet, not too strong but still at a good 5.9% ABV and very, very smooth. It's absolutely brilliant.
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#19487 Jan 08 2013 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
I agree with everything you just said Aeth. About the politics of course, not the beer. I've considered myself socialist for a few years, and I have a few communist friends who are trying to recruit me. Smiley: lol I think really the only thing holding me back is that underlying connotation we have for communists in this country. Socialism gets a bad enough rap here as it is. Even though I don't have any problems with the ideology of communism itself, as I don't think it's inherently evil or wrong, I do not feel comfortable with labeling myself a communist AT ALL.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Yeah, I believe in never letting people fall below a certain minimum where they have shelter and 2 or 3 meals a day unless they choose to do so. I also think that most drugs should be legalized (and controlled) and that healthcare, both physical and mental, should be readily available to anyone.

I'm pretty sure that would make me a wanted man in some of the red states of the US.

I don't think it's the government's job to take more of the money that I work 60 hours a week for and give it to people that use it for drugs.

Obviously, this isn't happening all of the time, but it happens in the US with welfare recipients.

I get the ideal, and it works on paper, but it doesn't work in the US, and it hasn't worked anywhere else, to my knowledge.

Redistribution of wealth is a dumb idea unless you're the one getting the wealth.

Yeah, let me and my family work harder so that someone else can benefit. Sure. Smiley: rolleyes
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
I'm pretty sure that would make me a wanted man in some of the red states of the US.


Yeah sorry, devil worship is frowned upon. Smiley: wink

I'm somewhere between Democrat and a Libertarian. In that I generally prefer the government not to get involved in just about anything unless necessarily. I have no problem with safety nets for the most part (welfare, health care, social security, etc), but loathe inefficiency and stuff I see as red tape. Fostering competition and letting us make our own decisions, but ensuring a healthy minimum standard of living.

Just don't ask me for details on how that happens... Smiley: lol

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Oh and Fuller's ESB is not too bitter, not too sweet, not too strong but still at a good 5.9% ABV and very, very smooth. It's absolutely brilliant.


Alrighty, it's on the list of things I'd like to try, but have no idea when I'll get the chance to. Smiley: grin
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#19490 Jan 08 2013 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
Florida did a round of drug testing for all current weflare recipients and people applying for benefits a while back. Out of everyone who was tested, 2% tested positive for drugs of some kind where as 2% refused to be tested. So, for Florida at least, we're looking at somewhere between 2-4% of welfare recipients that do drugs on a regular enough basis that they tested positive on a drug screen. I understand your disdain for not wanting to pay someone's way who is a lazy drug addict, but these people are few and far between. I don't think it's right to make the other 96% of people who aren't druggies suffer because of a few bad apples.

Personally I think the biggest roadblock to equality in this country is education. People across income levels and races do not get the same educational resources. You can't expect people to pick themselves up by their bootstraps if you don't give them the tools to do it. I'm not going to pretend that I know how to fix education in this country, but I DO think we should take a look at what other countries are doing that are currently beating us in test scores and in economy and maybe take some notes?
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I agree with everything you just said Aeth. About the politics of course, not the beer. I've considered myself socialist for a few years, and I have a few communist friends who are trying to recruit me. Smiley: lol I think really the only thing holding me back is that underlying connotation we have for communists in this country. Socialism gets a bad enough rap here as it is. Even though I don't have any problems with the ideology of communism itself, as I don't think it's inherently evil or wrong, I do not feel comfortable with labeling myself a communist AT ALL.
No, communism is brilliant in theory but absolutely disastrous in practice because it completely ignores human nature. Wasn't it Stalin who collected exotic cars? I mean, the everyone is equal thing is great but people aren't equal, we're all different and trying to make everyone equal will never ever work in any way or form. The most you can do is do your best to give people equal opportunities and provide a safety net so people can crawl back up if they fall.

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I don't think it's the government's job to take more of the money that I work 60 hours a week for and give it to people that use it for drugs.

Obviously, this isn't happening all of the time, but it happens in the US with welfare recipients.

I get the ideal, and it works on paper, but it doesn't work in the US, and it hasn't worked anywhere else, to my knowledge.

Redistribution of wealth is a dumb idea unless you're the one getting the wealth.

Yeah, let me and my family work harder so that someone else can benefit. Sure. Smiley: rolleyes
But if you give those people drugs they stay at or near a place where they get help and where they can work to becoming a valuable part of society again, it also means that they won't go out stealing which saves everyone money (not to mention the savings of not having the war on drugs and the revenue from taxing the drugs) and let's face it, alcohol is as much of a drug as weed is, moreso even.

And it's not redistribution of wealth, it's providing a safety net so people don't end up in the gutter if something goes horribly wrong, it is protecting the people against themselves and society because some people frankly need it. And yes, that ends up costing you and your family more than average because in the end people with a lot of money also tend to profit more from other people being able to spend money on whatever it is they sell/work for.


As for it working, see Scandinavia or really most of Europe. It's a simple fact that here in the Netherlands I am working towards a regular job and being a valuable member of society and all that but had I lived in the states I'd have been royally **** and doomed to a life of endless **** jobs I wouldn't be able to hold for any period of time and the misery that goes along with it. If that means I'll end up paying more taxes than I would've had I lived in the states, so what? I'm given the option of living a good life because of that very safety net and I think everyone has that right.

So yes, work harder so that someone else can benefit and become a valuable, contributing member of society (again) because in the end, it's as much for your good as theirs.


As for the efficiency thing, it'll never be perfectly efficient and that sucks but I'd rather have 1 person abusing the system and 49 others making good use of the system than **** over those 49 because someone's being a ****
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#19492 Jan 08 2013 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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30 years ago I considered myself right-of-center. But somewhere along the way the center moved. It was to my left at one time, and now it's to my right. I was a registered Republican, supported the party, belonged to the local Republican Club, and pretty much voted the party line.

I haven't voted for a Republican in a long time. And they're pretty moderate here, but for too long they ran Nassau County like their own private club (if you read that link, skip the first couple of paragraphs, down to "THE NEW YORK POLITICAL WORLD BARELY BLINKED").

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Like many other things, America has it backwards. As far as I know, we're the only place where "Liberal" actually refers to the "controlled-economy" party. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we never had a monarchy, so we never had a traditional "conservative" party that supported the monarchical status quo. This political quiz FAQ explains it better.

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This response is exclusively American. Elsewhere neo-liberalism is understood in standard political science terminology — deriving from mid 19th Century Manchester Liberalism, which campaigned for free trade on behalf of the capitalist classes of manufacturers and industrialists. In other words, laissez-faire or economic libertarianism.

In the United States, "liberals" are understood to believe in leftish economic programmes such as welfare and publicly funded medical care, while also holding liberal social views on matters such as law and order, peace, sexuality, women's rights etc. The two don't necessarily go together.

Our Compass rightly separates them. Otherwise, how would you label someone like the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan who, on the one hand, pleased the left by supporting strong economic safety nets for the underprivileged, but angered social liberals with his support for the Vietnam War, the Cold War and other key conservative causes?


I like political spectrums like theirs because they have two dimensions; Left/Right, and Totalitarian/Libertarian. On most of the social issues that separate Democrats and Republicans, I agree with Democrats. On economic issues, I tend to agree with Republicans. Pigtails and I go back and forth about this on Facebook, a lot. Sometimes I'm surprised she's still friends with me. Smiley: wink

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This grievance comes from pernickety people who have leapt into attack without checking the FAQs … and without even the remotest realisation that British and American words are sometimes spelt differently. They should have travelled more! We've been at the centre of some sulphurous rancour, but we're not going to take offence or harbour any grievances. The catalogue of their ill-informed certainties won't colour this organisation's programme. It's a grey area anyway. And we don't want to labour the point. Except to add that most of these cavillous correspondents seem to feel that they have a licence or a blank cheque for a level of rudeness that more civilised souls wouldn't have dreamt of. In response, we nevertheless practise polite dialogue, enabling them to recognise that the error is entirely their own. (We manoeuvre them towards the Oxford English Reference Dictionary, which is also an encyclopaedia.) This leaves them quite defenceless, which may account for the fact that these less than honourable individuals virtually never apologise.


I think they went out of their way to use as many words with a spelling that differs in continental English and the Queen's English as is possible.
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#19494 Jan 08 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Florida did a round of drug testing for all current weflare recipients and people applying for benefits a while back. Out of everyone who was tested, 2% tested positive for drugs of some kind where as 2% refused to be tested. So, for Florida at least, we're looking at somewhere between 2-4% of welfare recipients that do drugs on a regular enough basis that they tested positive on a drug screen. I understand your disdain for not wanting to pay someone's way who is a lazy drug addict, but these people are few and far between. I don't think it's right to make the other 96% of people who aren't druggies suffer because of a few bad apples.

Personally I think the biggest roadblock to equality in this country is education. People across income levels and races do not get the same educational resources. You can't expect people to pick themselves up by their bootstraps if you don't give them the tools to do it. I'm not going to pretend that I know how to fix education in this country, but I DO think we should take a look at what other countries are doing that are currently beating us in test scores and in economy and maybe take some notes?

You and I are never going to agree on this subject. The way I see it, above a certain amount of money, everyone should be taxed at the same rate for ALL of their income. Say it's agreed on that it takes $30k to feed/house a person reasonably for a year (that's way more than it takes, but whatever). At $40k, everyone is taxed at 25%.

Capital gains (i.e. money from the stock market that's taxed at a lesser rate than income) would also be included. No loopholes, nothing. If you make the money in the US, you pay taxes on it.

That sets a floor for taxes, and anyone under that doesn't owe a dime to the government. They'll still pay tax on goods and services in their daily lives, but that's included in the yearly cost of living.

And yes, everyone should have access to public education. They do already (or should, taxes pay for them). It's not nearly equal, but in a lot of cases (like for me, where I grew up in Chicago) taxes are higher to fund their schools. My parents paid higher taxes, and that allowed me to go to a better public school. There's a lot of ways we could divert funding to public schools, or have schools make their own money if the government wasn't so inept at making money.

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But if you give those people drugs they stay at or near a place where they get help and where they can work to becoming a valuable part of society again, it also means that they won't go out stealing which saves everyone money (not to mention the savings of not having the war on drugs and the revenue from taxing the drugs) and let's face it, alcohol is as much of a drug as weed is, moreso even.

And it's not redistribution of wealth, it's providing a safety net so people don't end up in the gutter if something goes horribly wrong, it is protecting the people against themselves and society because some people frankly need it. And yes, that ends up costing you and your family more than average because in the end people with a lot of money also tend to profit more from other people being able to spend money on whatever it is they sell/work for.

Here's the bone I have to pick with that:

I work hard. I make a good salary for someone my age. I invest.

It is redistribution of wealth. I work hard for what I have. I'm taxed at a higher rate because I'm good at my job and because I work harder and am better educated than others.

I agree with your safety net, in theory. It should be for people that can prove that they're either going further with their education, or for people that have lost a job and are looking for a new one.

That's it. I know a lot of people (my ex's dad included) that game the system. They go out, apply to jobs that they have no business applying to, and then collect unemployment.

That's not even the drug abusers who abuse the system, either.

I'm all for helping people. Seriously, if I could continue my education and not have to work at the same time, I would love it. I could get my MBA and just **** around every day instead of having to work my **** off at work and then come home and work my **** off some more.

The thing is, this is why communism never worked. Most people will try their hardest to make a living doing whatever they can. Others, though, will try to beat the system and take advantage of any easy way out that they can. If everyone had a work ethic like mine, I'd be fine with redistribution of wealth because that would basically mean everyone was busting their **** every day and not sitting on it smoking pot.

Edit cuz I derped my math.

Edited, Jan 8th 2013 4:32pm by Theophany
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#19495 Jan 08 2013 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
Oh yes, yes they did. And it is awesome. Smiley: lol Out of curiousity, is that from The Political Compass website? And that **** British English is pervasive. I always want to spell curiosity with a u, like I did in my previous sentence. It looks better with the u **** it!

I enjoy debating with you sometimes, because you are respectful and you don't let yourself get riled up for the most part. I do have a tendency to get a bit impassioned, but because you don't it helps keep me calmer lol. In most cases when I don't respond to a comment you've made it's because I'm not in the mood to debate rationally at the moment, not because I don't have a response. Just an FYI. Smiley: wink2
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#19496 Jan 08 2013 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
Let's stop politicing. This isn't the Asylum.
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#19497 Jan 08 2013 at 8:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh yes, yes they did. And it is awesome. Smiley: lol Out of curiousity, is that from The Political Compass website? And that **** British English is pervasive. I always want to spell curiosity with a u, like I did in my previous sentence. It looks better with the u **** it!

I enjoy debating with you sometimes, because you are respectful and you don't let yourself get riled up for the most part. I do have a tendency to get a bit impassioned, but because you don't it helps keep me calmer lol. In most cases when I don't respond to a comment you've made it's because I'm not in the mood to debate rationally at the moment, not because I don't have a response. Just an FYI. Smiley: wink2

It is the Political Compass. There's one I like better that uses the same dynamic, but it's not in my history or bookmarks and the place I got it from doesn't have the link anymore. I'm in the same place on both tests, about half-way between center and Right/Libertarian. My fiancee is just a hare left of center and 3/4ths of the way down on Libertarian.

On interesting thing about the Political Compass analysis is that they have Obama and Romney in almost the same grid square, between 6 and 7 to the Right and toward Totalitarian (with Obama around 6,6 and Romney around 7 Right/6.5 Totalitarian). Link.
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#19498 Jan 08 2013 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
Last time I took it a few years ago I landed smack dab in the middle of the left/libertarian quadrant. I think they compared my results to being along the same lines as Gandhi. Smiley: grin Their page on the 2008 election is pretty interesting though. I still think we're better off with Obama, but it's pretty disheartening to see that they aren't that different on a lot of policies when put on a graph like that.
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#19499 Jan 08 2013 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
Don't be so quick to compare yourself to Ghandi. Dude was kind of a @#%^.

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#19500 Jan 08 2013 at 11:33 PM Rating: Good
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I'm kind of glad I don't have to follow Canadian politics yet, since I'm not a Citizen. I'm not sure what I think of American politics, other than the fact that the country looks like it's in trouble. I think people in America seem to get caught up on the wrong things (like **** marriage, and the legalisation of pot. Things like that don't really matter, and they seem to waste insane amounts of money on keeping them illegal. Let people do what the **** they want with their own bodies. American politics annoys me because your the only country in the world who's politics reverberate around the entire world. Admittedly my understanding of American politics is limited, but as an outsider, it's hard to care about specifics.
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Here's the bone I have to pick with that:

I work hard. I make a good salary for someone my age. I invest.

It is redistribution of wealth. I work hard for what I have. I'm taxed at a higher rate because I'm good at my job and because I work harder and am better educated than others.
And because you have skills that are (highly) valued in our society. Not everyone has those, in fact, far from everyone has those. Which is a good thing too because if we'd all become lawyers, professors, judges and CEO's not very much would ever get done. Someone may be very, very good at roadwork but it'll never make them a millionaire no matter how good they are at what they do while you could very well become a millionaire because our society more highly values your skills. You're lucky in that regard because while education does play part in this, the aforementioned roadworker would never be able to do the same things you do and in turn that means that you'll be paying higher taxes for your luck.

This is, of course, not to say that you don't work hard. I don't doubt that you do, but even if the roadworker works twice as hard as you and studies in the evenings (without somehow killing himself in the process) it's highly unlikely he'll ever make as much as you can.

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I agree with your safety net, in theory. It should be for people that can prove that they're either going further with their education, or for people that have lost a job and are looking for a new one.

That's it. I know a lot of people (my ex's dad included) that game the system. They go out, apply to jobs that they have no business applying to, and then collect unemployment.

That's not even the drug abusers who abuse the system, either.

I'm all for helping people. Seriously, if I could continue my education and not have to work at the same time, I would love it. I could get my MBA and just **** around every day instead of having to work my **** off at work and then come home and work my **** off some more.

The thing is, this is why communism never worked. Most people will try their hardest to make a living doing whatever they can. Others, though, will try to beat the system and take advantage of any easy way out that they can. If everyone had a work ethic like mine, I'd be fine with redistribution of wealth because that would basically mean everyone was busting their **** every day and not sitting on it smoking pot.
Here you come up to the problem with a safety net, one that will never, ever go away and that's that some people will abuse the system, because they're ok with barely scraping by if that means they don't have to do anything.
But we also disagree here, because unlike the right wing would have you believe (in any place, including the Netherlands), the amount of people who genuinely abuse the system is very low. And even if it was 10% (which it isn't by a long shot) I'd still be in favour of the safety net for the other 90% because I think it's highly unfair to **** 9 people for every 1 **** who games the system.

For every man like your ex's father there are 9 - 99 people who do try their hardest to make a living and move up in the world. And I also wonder how many of the people that game the system actually don't care and how many have just given up hope because they grew up in the ghetto and chances of getting anywhere for them are few and far in between or something like that.



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