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Ok, when I try to tank with a sword and board I just can't seem to hold the aggro. I lay in the sunders, hit em with MS, bash em with the sheild but they still break and I end up chasing them and taunting. It seems to me I'm just not outputting enough damage. I was wondering if any of you had tanked with your 2h weapon? I can put out some huge numbers with my 2h Axe, my crit% is high, almost 27% in battlestance and with SS, WW and cleave it just seems to me that I would put out a whole lot more damage and thus keep aggro better. I really don't want to re-spec prot for normal instances. I know my armor would be much less and the healer would have to work more but to keep the group from wiping too often it seems it would be the better option.
I'm not an uber warrior tank and am still learning my ropes with my, currently, level 62 warrior. I am still learning how to get more than one mob glued to me. But with one boss, it's pretty easy. I'm not sure if you are referring to one or multi-mob tanking.
Anyway, you don't hold aggro by doing damage. We have some high aggro moves in our ******** I use defensive stance, spam sunder armor and shield block+revenge. And don't use mortal strike. I wait till my rage bar nearly fills up and then use heroic strike. If you read the tool tip, you'll know heroic strike is a high threat move. With multi-mob, we have demoralizing shout and thunderclap. Demoralizing shout is easy to use, you just shout around a tightly packed mob. I got some great advice here on how to use thunderclap properly with crowd control. I'll try this weekend when I do ramparts and blood furnace again. (I am a casual player and only do instances in the weekend). Thanks again for the kind souls here.
I would only pull out my 2H if I'm facing a swamp of non-elite trash mobs. You lose the shield block + revenge combo if you don't have a shield equipped. By the way, I'm 33/5/15 specced, so I have maxed defiance. Maybe that makes life easier.
Anyway, you don't hold aggro by doing damage. We have some high aggro moves in our ******** I use defensive stance, spam sunder armor and shield block+revenge. And don't use mortal strike. I wait till my rage bar nearly fills up and then use heroic strike. If you read the tool tip, you'll know heroic strike is a high threat move. With multi-mob, we have demoralizing shout and thunderclap. Demoralizing shout is easy to use, you just shout around a tightly packed mob. I got some great advice here on how to use thunderclap properly with crowd control. I'll try this weekend when I do ramparts and blood furnace again. (I am a casual player and only do instances in the weekend). Thanks again for the kind souls here.
I would only pull out my 2H if I'm facing a swamp of non-elite trash mobs. You lose the shield block + revenge combo if you don't have a shield equipped. By the way, I'm 33/5/15 specced, so I have maxed defiance. Maybe that makes life easier.
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Well, you're gonna get alot of opinions... here's mine... I've been a prot warrior for about 2 years, and I've changed my template over and over, every time a new skill or change in a skill happens.
If you insist on staying non-prot... you will always have problems holding agro. It can be done, just no where near as effective and efficient.
2 handed tanking can be done, but at the expense of wasting mana on healing you. And if you face something that crits alot, it won't matter. There is a reason why the skill tree is the way it is.
If you insist on staying non-prot... you will always have problems holding agro. It can be done, just no where near as effective and efficient.
2 handed tanking can be done, but at the expense of wasting mana on healing you. And if you face something that crits alot, it won't matter. There is a reason why the skill tree is the way it is.
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Well, I'm spec'd 37/17/3 so that might have something to do with it. I haven't been using Heroic Strike much, or shield Block + Revenge. I do spam Sunders like mad though. Usually, if there's a mage they've sheeped one of the mobs so I've been hesitant to use any AoE's for fear of breaking the sheep. But I'll work on the suggestions you made, Thanks. I'm also working on Ramparts myself.
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hmmmmm......
Why is everyone so reliant on heroic strike?
the warrior got lots of instant cast instant agro spells, sunder - instant, shield slam - instant, revenge - instant when you get to use it, and when it comes to it everyone goes around.. heroic strike!! auto on next hit..
warrior tanking is lots of agro fast before anyone does something they shouldnt.
when i try to play with my palla toon i found out their tanking is much just autoatacks, so why degrade warrior tanking to palla level?
Why is everyone so reliant on heroic strike?
the warrior got lots of instant cast instant agro spells, sunder - instant, shield slam - instant, revenge - instant when you get to use it, and when it comes to it everyone goes around.. heroic strike!! auto on next hit..
warrior tanking is lots of agro fast before anyone does something they shouldnt.
when i try to play with my palla toon i found out their tanking is much just autoatacks, so why degrade warrior tanking to palla level?
You don't get shield slam as a hybrid. I think that needs 31 points in protection. And besides, you aren't reliant on heroic strike for aggro, it's a better alternative than mortal strike for dumping rage.
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 11:59pm by LittleHamster
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 11:59pm by LittleHamster
I two-handed tanked the low-level instances, and stopped after Sunken Temple. Stuff just hits too hard to be without the huge armor and stat bonuses of the shield.
A lot of warrior tanking, particularly in PuGs, has to do with the group. If someone's going full-out DPS on one target, and another person's going full-out DPS on another target, the fact is that something's breaking loose. There's not much you can do about it other than Taunt; there just isn't enough rage and Universal Cooldown to go around. On the other hand, a disciplined group makes tanking a breeze. I tanked Blood Furnace with a Thrash Blade and 285 one-hander skill and the group made it one of my most pleasant tanking experiences.
Thunderclap is great. Don't be afraid to move the mobs around to get them away from CC. Being able to get your TClaps in will help a bunch.
Revenge is big, too. If you have the rage, pop shield block; shield block isn't on the Universal Cooldown so it won't slow down your other techniques. Shield Block procs Revenge, and Revenge is a solid shot of aggro for a mere 5 rage. good stuff.
So: Less Mortal Strike, more revenge, more Thunderclap.
A lot of warrior tanking, particularly in PuGs, has to do with the group. If someone's going full-out DPS on one target, and another person's going full-out DPS on another target, the fact is that something's breaking loose. There's not much you can do about it other than Taunt; there just isn't enough rage and Universal Cooldown to go around. On the other hand, a disciplined group makes tanking a breeze. I tanked Blood Furnace with a Thrash Blade and 285 one-hander skill and the group made it one of my most pleasant tanking experiences.
Thunderclap is great. Don't be afraid to move the mobs around to get them away from CC. Being able to get your TClaps in will help a bunch.
Revenge is big, too. If you have the rage, pop shield block; shield block isn't on the Universal Cooldown so it won't slow down your other techniques. Shield Block procs Revenge, and Revenge is a solid shot of aggro for a mere 5 rage. good stuff.
So: Less Mortal Strike, more revenge, more Thunderclap.
Sachoen wrote:
hmmmmm......
Why is everyone so reliant on heroic strike?
the warrior got lots of instant cast instant agro spells, sunder - instant, shield slam - instant, revenge - instant when you get to use it, and when it comes to it everyone goes around.. heroic strike!! auto on next hit..
warrior tanking is lots of agro fast before anyone does something they shouldnt.
when i try to play with my palla toon i found out their tanking is much just autoatacks, so why degrade warrior tanking to palla level?
Why is everyone so reliant on heroic strike?
the warrior got lots of instant cast instant agro spells, sunder - instant, shield slam - instant, revenge - instant when you get to use it, and when it comes to it everyone goes around.. heroic strike!! auto on next hit..
warrior tanking is lots of agro fast before anyone does something they shouldnt.
when i try to play with my palla toon i found out their tanking is much just autoatacks, so why degrade warrior tanking to palla level?
Heroic Strike doesn't work on the GCD system. So you can spam all your instants like you always do, but only 1 per 1.5 seconds. You can however, toss around Heroic Strikes on top of that.
Say there's a 5 mob pack in Shattered. If you want to aggro all 5 with instant skills, you need to wait for 4 GCD's, which takes 6 seconds. Now if you use HS as well, then you can tag 3 with your instant skills and the other 2 with HS. Of course you'll need to use some instants on them afterwards.
If you find your rage bag stacked at 100%, and you can't ditch it with instant skills only, use HS. It's extra aggro.
During Ramparts and Bloodfurnace, I DPS tanked both of them as arms.
1)Charge/Bow
2)Bloodrage, Sweeping strikes
3)Berserker, Whirlwind + Cleave + Cleave
And then when I hit Mana Tombs, they actually started hitting me harder than usual!
1)Charge/Bow
2)Bloodrage, Sweeping strikes
3)Berserker, Whirlwind + Cleave + Cleave
And then when I hit Mana Tombs, they actually started hitting me harder than usual!
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