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#1 Jul 30 2004 at 8:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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CometNet's Clothcraft Guide V2.0

This guide is heavily influenced by CometNet's guide: I used that guide to bring me past 60, and it's pretty much still the best guide around. However, in leading a few friends through leveling clothcraft I've realized it's probably time we revisited the guide and tweaked it. That said I've taken what he wrote HERE and adapted it and filled in my own commentary.

Summary:

STAGE I

0-1 Grass Thread
Wind Crystal
Yagudo Necklace

0-4 Grass Cloth
Earth Crystal
Grass Thread x3

4-8 Cape
Earth Crystal
Grass Cloth x2
Grass Thread

8-10 Hachimaki
Wind Crystal
Grass Cloth x2


STAGE II

10-19 Linen Thread
Lightning Crystal
Flax Flower x2

19-22 Linen Cloth
Earth Crystal
Linen Thread x3

22-23 Fishermens Hose
Earth Crystal
Linen Cloth x2
Cotton Thread
Cotton Cloth

23-25 Heko Obi (caps at 27)
Earth Crystal
Grass Thread
Cotton Cloth x2

23-30 Fly Lure (requires 4+ bonecraft skill; will cap bonecraft at 8)
Earth Crystal
Chocobo Feather
Bat Fang
Animal Glue

26-30 Fisherman's Tunica
Earth Crystal
Linen Thread
Linen Cloth
Sheep Leather
Cotton Cloth x3


STAGE III

30-34 Shinobi-Tabi
Saruta Cotton
Grass Thread
Cotton Cloth x2

30-35 Wool Thread
Lightning Crystal
Sheep Wool x2

35-37 Wool Cloth
Earth Crystal
Wool Thread x3


STAGE IV

37-42 Bird Fletching
Wind Crystal
Bird Feather x2

42-52 Insect Fletching
Wind Crystal
Insect Wing x2

46-51 Silk Thread
Lightning Crystal
Crawler Cocoon x2

46-51 Velvet Cloth
Earth Crystal
Silk Thread
Cotton Thread x2


STAGE V

51-53 Silk Cloth
Earth Crystal
Silk Thread x3

53-62 Green Ribbon
Wind Crystal
Silk Cloth

55-60 Field Hose
Earth Crystal
Linen Cloth
Wool Thread
Wool Cloth x2

62-69 Silk Headband
Earth Crystal
Silk Cloth
Carbon Fiber

65-69 Field Tunica
Earth Crystal
Wool Thread
Wool Cloth x2
Linen Cloth
Sheep Leather
Ram Leather


STAGE VI

60-72 Battle Bracers
Earth Crystal
Saruta Cotton x2
Velvet Cloth x2
Silk Thread

72-75 Jester's Cape (Requires 20 Leathercraft)
Earth Crystal
Silk Thread
Silk Cloth x2
Sheep Leather x2

72-78 Rainbow Thread
Lightning Crystal
Spider Web x2

78-80 Rainbow Cloth
Earth Crystal
Rainbow Thread x3


OK, onto the commentary.
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THE GUIDE

Welcome to the first synth of the rest of your life! Clothcraft is a wonderful profession that goes well with woodworking, smithing, and for anyone who wants to be a ninja with lots of invisible powder. If you're into harvesting, this is the craft for you!

First some general information: Clothcraft is based around the manufacture and use of several types of cloth. The easiest cloth to work with is Grass cloth, followed by Cotton, Linen, Wool, Silk, and finally Rainbow cloth. There is also Velvet which is a blended material that fits between wool and silk.

In order to make any cloth, you need 3 threads of that cloth type and an earth crystal. So, for example, 3 cotton threads in an earth crystal will, with any luck, become a cotton cloth. The only exception to this is of course Velvet, which is made from a silk thread and either 2 wool or 2 cotton threads.

Now you may be asking: how do I get threads? Well, besides purchasing threads from your local guild shop, you can also refine them from pairs of naturally occurring raw materials using a lightning crystal: 2 moko grass for a grass thread, 2 saruta cotton for cotton thread, 2 flax flower for linen thread, and so on.

I've broken this guide down into several stages to make it easier to read and follow, as well as to group the leveling path by common themes.

Now, onto the guide!


STAGE I: The First Ten Yards (of Cloth)

0-1 Grass Thread
Wind Crystal
Yagudo Necklace

0-4 Grass Cloth
Earth Crystal
Grass Thread x3

4-8 Cape
Earth Crystal
Grass Cloth x2
Grass Thread

8-10 Hachimaki
Wind Crystal
Grass Cloth x2


Clothcraft is pretty smooth sailing from 0-4. Your plan of action should be to make and save as many grass cloths as you can. If you have capital to burn and don't feel like leaving town, just start buying Yagudo Bead Necklaces and use wind crystals on them to produce 3 or more grass threads; this recipe will cap at 1. If you harvest, use lightning crystals on pairs of the plentiful moko grass; this recipe will cap at 3. Once you have grass thread, use earth crystals to weave them into cloths. You're going to need a lot of grass cloth, so go nuts.

If you're low level and just starting out, I suggest you farm for your materials around Windurst. This will provide you with ample income with which to fund your clothcrafting aspirations. If you are high level, farm where you get the best return on your time invested and then purchase your materials.

Once you get to about level 4 in cloth, you're going to want to become familiar with the guild in Selbina. I suggest considering bringing along a fishing rod (glass or carbon work very well here) because the guild is only open 6-21, and is closed all day on firesday. When you're waiting in Selbina, you can fish with Lugworms which are fortunately sold in town.

Clothcraft enters its first "suckage" period at level 4. Because cotton cloth and cotton threads are readily available at the guild and saruta cotton is always in short supply, turning saruta cotton into cotton thread is generally a losing proposition. However, you're in luck because grass cloth and threads in Selbina are generally very cheap -- on the order of 40g per thread and 130g per cloth.

Thus, I suggest parking yourself in Selbina and making a bunch of capes to sell to vendor. The recipe caps at 8 so if you're at 4 the failure rate without advanced support shouldn't be too horrific. The capes can be sold back to vendor for about 180g, depending on your fame, so you're going to lose a bit of money here. You can make this up by bringing back stacks of cotton thread, which sell as low as 2500g for a stack from the guild, and selling them for a significant mark-up (3600+ per stack) in any of the starting towns.

Once you reach 8, capes will no longer give you skill. You can move on to Hachimakis, which require the somewhat more expensive wind crystals, or you can buy a few stacks of cotton thread turn it into stacks of cotton cloth, which sell for 7000 or more in Windurst.

In any case, after a bit of early sweating, you will make it to level 10. You will need to, at some point after level 8, turn in a single cape to Ponono at the guild in Windurst to advance beyond this point and onto Stage II.


STAGE II: Fishermen's Delight

10-19 Linen Thread
Lightning Crystal
Flax Flower x2

19-22 Linen Cloth
Earth Crystal
Linen Thread x3

22-23 Fisherman's Hose
Earth Crystal
Linen Cloth x2
Cotton Thread
Cotton Cloth

23-25 Heko Obi (caps at 27)
Earth Crystal
Grass Thread
Cotton Cloth x2

23-30 Fly Lure (requires 4+ bonecraft skill; will cap bonecraft at 8)
Earth Crystal
Chocobo Feather
Bat Fang
Animal Glue

26-30 Fisherman's Tunica
Earth Crystal
Linen Thread
Linen Cloth
Sheep Leather
Cotton Cloth x3


Once you're level 10 (and certainly no earlier than level 9) you can move onto making linen. Flax flowers will go as low as 187 per flower at the guild; this price is often reached on Earthsday in Selbina. When it does go down this low, I suggest buying as many stacks as your gobbiebag will hold and hoofing it over to Windurst for some Advanced Synthesis support. Note that from now on, you will almost always want advanced support.

Take the flax flower you have and process it all into linen thread. Yes, all of it. You will want to go 9 whole levels on this recipe, so you will probably need 20 stacks of flax flower or so. You will fail often at 10, but don't fret, because each stack of flax flowers will yield 2 linen cloth when fully processed without failure. Each cloth sells for about 3k on the auction house, so you'll be getting 6k for a stack of flax flowers which you (hopefully) spent less than 2500g on. So, you can suffer a few failures and still walk away a much richer person for this stage. Don't forget to turn in a Cotton Cape to Ponono to become an initiate.

Once you reach 19, process the threads you made into linen cloth. This should take you to 22. Unfortunately, you're now in another crafting dead-zone. The next "good" recipe is a bit too far away to make reliably, so you're going to have to spend a little bit of your linen profit to step over this gap.

Fly Lures are cheap and easy but cap at 30 so the break rate is kind of steep at 22. Also, don't forget they require at least 4 bonecraft to make.

In order to bridge the gap, you can make Fishermen's Hose until 23, and some Heko Obis. Once you're closer to 30 you can also make Fishermen's Tunicas to go with the hose. Between those and the fly lures you can supply all your friends with all the fishing gear they need for fishing levels 10-20.

When you hit 28, turn in a Heko Obi to become a Novice and move onto the next stage.


STAGE III: Wooly Time

30-34 Shinobi-Tabi
Saruta Cotton
Grass Thread
Cotton Cloth x2

30-35 Wool Thread
Lightning Crystal
Sheep Wool x2

35-37 Wool Cloth
Earth Crystal
Wool Thread x3

Now that you're a Novice you can start taking advantage of the Guild quests to build Guild Points. However, keep in mind that you will only be able to redeem your points for crystals until you are skill 48. Also, GP are fairly expensive for what you get: you'll spend probably 100-200k for your 50,000 GP item; you can get a whole lot more permanent skill points for that kind of money by investing it into your skill-up sessions.

This stage is short and profitable. Wool Thread is made from Sheep Wool just like Linen Thread is made from Flax Flowers. Wool Cloth sells for about 6k each (or about 60k stacked). So you can produce 10-12k of Wool Cloth per stack of Sheep Wool. Fortunately, sheep wool is also fairly plentiful at the Auction House for 6-8k per stack. You can also almost always get it from the Clothcraft Guild Shop for 675 per piece. With this in mind, never pay more than 8100 per stack at the AH. When you sell your Cloths, sell them individually in Jeuno and stacked in Jeuno or San dOria.

Also, if you're into farming your materials, I suggest instead of farming sheep wool you start farming wind clusters and crystals; you're going to need a ton of these very soon. Tahrongi and La Theine are good places to look for easy elementals. Also, if you're higher level, you can find elementals frequently in the bottom of Maze of Shakhrami.

Once you hit 37, move on to Stage IV.


STAGE IV: Fletching Mania

37-42 Bird Fletching
Wind Crystal
Bird Feather x2

42-52 Insect Fletching
Wind Crystal
Insect Wing x2

46-51 Silk Thread
Lightning Crystal
Crawler Cocoon x2

46-51 Velvet Cloth
Earth Crystal
Silk Thread
Cotton Thread x2

Here you will become the woodworker's best friend. You will be able to make some of the more difficult fletching that are required for Scorpion and Horn arrows, which are used for leveling 39-59. You'll do well if you bazaar your fletching overnight outside the Woodworking Guild in San d'Oria for a decent price.

Bird Feathers are sold at the Clothcraft Guild. Unfortunately, they're also often sold out, since they can go for as much as 1k per stack at the AH and cost much less at the guild. You can farm and steal these off of any of the Bird types -- akbabas, vultures, et cetera -- or buy them anywhere. Avoid the Windurst AH for the best prices. You know those wind crystals I told you to start hording? You're going to need a lot of them. Get cracking.

Don't forget to turn in a Feather Collar upon hitting level 38 to ascend to the rank of Apprentice.

Around mid-40s you can start doing alternate recipes to approach 50. First, you can begin making silk thread from crawler cocoons. 2 cocoons and a lightning crystal turn into a thread, much like wool and linen and grass. You can get the crawler cocoons from various crawlers, or from harvesting. They are also sold in the Windurst Clothcraft Guild Shop, usually at a fairly low price. When these are available for less than 250g each I suggest just spending all day crafting them. You will need all the silk you can get in the very near future.

You can also start making Velvet Cloth. This is primarily useful for the Gobbiebag #3 quest in Jeuno. Using the Cotton Thread version of this recipe you can make a decent profit, and also save money for you and your friends when doing the gobbiebag quests.

At 48, Ponono is going to ask for Wool Bracers. This item is going to cost you a fair amount to make. When you turn this in you will become a Journeyman. I'll also note that at level 50, the rate of your skillups will decrease by 50%. Crafting for skill from here on out is a much more challenging endeavor. You've come a long way, though, so grit your teeth and push through.


STAGE V: The Silk Road

51-53 Silk Cloth
Earth Crystal
Silk Thread x3

53-62 Green Ribbon
Wind Crystal
Silk Cloth

55-60 Field Hose
Earth Crystal
Linen Cloth
Wool Thread
Wool Cloth x2

62-69 Silk Headband
Earth Crystal
Silk Cloth
Carbon Fiber

65-69 Field Tunica
Earth Crystal
Wool Thread
Wool Cloth x2
Linen Cloth
Sheep Leather
Ram Leather


Welcome to the Silk Road! For the next 20 skill levels, you will make items primarily from silk. Silk costs anywhere from 8-10k per stack at the AH, and you're going to need a ton of it. Farm it. Make it from crawler cocoons. Beg for it from friends. Mortgage your house for it. You'll be going through somewhere around 70 stacks of silk cloth; at 40k per stack at auction that's almost 3 million if you just buy it straight up. But don't worry, you won't lose that much because sell-back prices are somewhat reasonable.

Your first task is to make Silk Cloth until you're 53. Do NOT stop short on this recipe: take it all the way to 53. You are going to be making so much silk after 53 anyway you might as well squeeze every last tenth out of this recipe. Once you're 53 you might as well make a few more stacks of cloth for good measure.

Once you're 53, you can start cutting the cloth into Green Ribbons. I recommend doing this on Windsday to start, as a 9 level gap is pretty hefty. You will lose about 40% of your silk cloth until level 55. Fortunately, you can sell your Green Ribbons to a vendor in a town where you have max fame for 2075 (with low fame they sell for just under 2000, which is a significant margin when you think of how many ribbons you're going to be selling).

When you get close to 60, you can also throw in the occasional Field Hose to break up the monotony. These should sell for a wee bit of profit. However, be careful, because they don't sell too fast, so you can accidentally flood the market and lose all your profit. Plus, a single failure can be very costly, as this combine is about 11k of raw materials.

At 58, turn in a Red Cape to Ponono. You can usually buy Red Capes for much less than manufacturing cost in Jeuno. Once you're done that, back to the Green Ribbons!

At 62, and not a point sooner, start making Silk Headbands. These are just like Green Ribbons except they use a cheaper crystal and add a fairly expensive Carbon Fiber. You can buy Carbon Fibers cheaply in Bastok, usually, because they are a leveling synth for alchemists between 40 and 45. If you have the alchemy skill, consider making them for yourself by buying Bomb Ash directly from Olaf in the Metalworks. Any way you cut it, you'll be spending at least 675 per Carbon Fiber. Sell the headbands to the vendor in a city where you have max fame. They should sell for about 2400g, so they aren't as nice as Green Ribbons, but they will take you to 69.

Just as a disclaimer: my clothcraft is only 60.1 currently, so I haven't yet started the Silk Headband stage. However, several high level clothcrafters have suggested this route.

At 68, give yourself a big pat on the back and give Ponono a Wool Doublet to celebrate your ascension to Artisan.


STAGE VI: Is that a Rainbow? (No, it's a massive Gil sink)

69-72 Battle Bracers
Earth Crystal
Saruta Cotton x2
Velvet Cloth x2
Silk Thread

72-75 Jester's Cape (Requires 20 Leathercraft)
Earth Crystal
Silk Thread
Silk Cloth x2
Sheep Leather x2

72-78 Rainbow Thread
Lightning Crystal
Spider Web x2

78-80 Rainbow Cloth
Earth Crystal
Rainbow Thread x3

I really am not very well qualified to comment on this region, as once again I must disclaim: my skill is only 60.1. However, this is information I have learned from other crafters, both in this forum and on my server, as well as watching what other crafters are making for skill in the guild.

Zyrith says that Battle Bracers sell for a respectable 4400 to vendor. If you get silk for 600 each from Crawler Cocoons or individually at the guild (need 3), cotton thread for 300 each in Selbina (need 4), and saruta cotton for 300 each (need 2), you're looking at 1800 + 1200 + 600 = 3600 for each synth, plus crystal cost. Prices may vary, but hey, this recipe looks pretty good on paper.

Rainbow Threads require 2 spider webs per synth; this translates to a cost of about 10-14k per thread depending on your server prices. This is a huge investment and breaks can be very costly. You're also going to need to make a lot of these to get to 78 from 72.

For this reason, you may want to bridge some of the gap with Jester's Capes. The materials for jesters cape are 7 silk threads and 2 sheep leather; they seem to sell OK in Jeuno. Also, the +1 version of the Jester's Cape is a large windfall; however, being a multicraft synth that event would seem very unlikely.

When you finally do make it to 78, Ponono is going to require a bribe of a Silk Cloak to grant you the title of Adept. Then, you can start in on Rainbow Cloth. Don't look now, but your investment per synth just tripled. Fortunately, these things seem to sell at about cost, so you only have to eat the price of failures.



After 80? I don't know, at least not yet. I'm getting there, slowly, one piece of silk at a time.



CREDITS

I hope this guide has been helpful. Many thanks to all the posters here that have given suggestions that I have eventually incorporated into this document. Special thanks of course to CometNet, Popsi, Lienna, Zyrith, and other high-level clothcrafters that have shared their wisdom on this board.

As always, please feel free to add your own experiences, share advice, or ask questions!




Edited, Thu Aug 12 15:48:12 2004 by aurikan
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#2 Jul 30 2004 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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nice, just skimmed it, i'll read it when i get home from work ^^
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#3 Jul 30 2004 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Very good work, Aurikan, I read through the whole thing, the organization and commentary were excellent ^^ Thanks for posting yet another good thread on crafting.

And, naturally, many thanks to CometNet, who is out there somewhere ~^
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#4 Jul 31 2004 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Great guide, and good job man ^_^
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#5 Jul 31 2004 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
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Very nice guide, indeed ^^ I liked your commentary a lot.

For the "cotton stage," I got some friends from my LS together (actually, one person offered to help and another person overheard and came by for fun) and they made an absolute slaughter of Buburimu Peninsula. A 68WHM and a 58RDM training the entire zone (no one is ever in Buburimu, so it's not a big deal.) I took some great screenshots of what was the biggest train I had ever seen. The lag was so great I couldn't move most of the time...

... but a good train of 20 Sylvestres would get 3-5 balls of Saruta Cotton. Plus, the WHM and I had subbed THF to steal from the onions.

Farming the Sylvestres by myself at 30BLM with a THF sub took me a very long time for minimal cotton return and a lot of resting and it would probably be a lot easier if I had a Melee job. >< But, if you can train them yourself, or get someone to help out, it's actually pretty easy. And I got to make a profit selling the Cotton!

I did Capes 4-8, (I have almost no fame in Windy and they only sold back for 81 gil a piece) and then Cotton Thread to 11. It took 2.5 stacks exactly to go from 9-11, so the skill gains were pretty quick. Also, lightning crystals were only 900 a stack at the time.

I'm at about 11.4 now and my 2x Flax Flower > Linen Thread synths have been mostly depressing failures. I'm going to try out fishing for a while to get together another round of cash to get me to 19.

Again, thanks for the great guide, and congratulations on 60!

Edited, Sat Jul 31 03:24:24 2004 by dinosaurbwarr
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#6 Jul 31 2004 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Very good job! thanks alot for this amazing guide...
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#7 Jul 31 2004 at 4:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Great work, aurikan. I used CometNet's original guide like the bible and I appreciate all of your commentary and insight on the Clothcrafter's path. However, I think the layout might be better if you had the summary at the end, since it just repeats itself in your commentary anyways.

Also, to add to your work, I'd like to throw some of my experiences into the pool having just reached 57 Clothcrafting.

For those still working on Linen, I would not recommend beginning the jump from Hachimaki to Linen Thread until you have enough capital to buy 20 stacks of Flax flowers and turn them all into Cloth. This ensures the highest profitability and ROI without resorting to losing out on profit because you ran out of money and needed to sell off some of that thread. In all likelihood you'll need as much of it as you can anyways. If you're able to be patient and follow through though, you'll be much much happier (and much much richer^^). Sell a few singles in Jeuno to feed the Gobbiebag market and save a stack or two and turn them into Fishing gear for your friends or for a nice profit in Windurst, San d'Oria, and Bastok.

Also, while this guide recommends Fishing gear and Fly Lures to bridge the 22-30 gap that most people have trouble with, I have other recommendations. Fishing gear can be flooded quickly so its best to synth these in bunchs of 12 and move them before beginning another batch (thus slow skillups) and Fly lures are a cheap synth, but a loss.

So, to take from the grand, wise CometNet, Kaginawa's are a great skillup synth 22-29 and are quite profitable even with fails (Earth + Grass Thread + Bronze Ingot + Manticore Hair).

The only disclaimer I can give is also noted in CometNet's original guide: You must have atleast 11 Smithing to begin this synth (caps at 15). However, even with the Smithing requirement I highly recommend getting to this point as diversifying your crafting is highly rewarding and fun and Smithing 1-11 is fairly inexpensive.

Buy Manticore Hairs in Jeuno (~1500 each), camp the Smithing guild when you have time for Bronze Ingots (144 each, but they sell out by 8:00:01 so get your fastest fingers ready), and get Grass Thread from Yagudo Necklaces or from the Weaver's Guild. On Ramuh, each synth costs ~1800gil and yields about 2200gil (6500/stack) and unless you fail and lose the Manticore Hairs, the ingredients are rather inexpensive and easily covered by your successes.

While this might take you a few days to gather up all the supplies (especially the Manticore Hairs), you'll need them anyways to move the large number of Kaginawa you'll be making. The upside is that it'll give you some practice in moving large numbers of Ninja tools that'll help you when you start skilling up on Shinobi-Tabi or god forbid you ever decide to move into Alchemy and try to sell Silent Oil or Prism Powder by the barrel.
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#8 Jul 31 2004 at 11:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Very nice guide. Although I have followed CometNet's guide to 60 clothcraft almost religously, it's nice to get someone else's opinion on some points.
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I followed CometNet's Clothcraft Guide to 38 and I will follow your's to 70+ ^^
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#10 Aug 02 2004 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you very much for the post! I'm in Valefor and got a chance to actually sit down and speak with Zyrith during a Velvet spree he was on. The guy is like a Machine.

My way of paying for my synths are Tonberry coats and wind crystals (26K per stack of Linen cloth on Valefor) and at L40 clothcraft I get HQ's about 60% of the time and rarely break. so About an 8-10K profit after I make a stack.

I also dabble in Gigas Socks, but I spend money on levelling so fast I only do it as a side project and trust me, when I lose a sock it HURTS at 3K a pop.

Zyrith said Desynthing stuff for raw materials is the best way to make cash back at my level. Gobbie Armors, Cotton Kyahans and Tonberry coats seem like the best way to go. Im looking at almost a 100% profit margin. (or double your money back)

I reccomend to others around my level to take a break every few days. Dont worry about levelling your craft. Go on a desynthing binge then let it simmer in the AH overnight while you go hit the dunes or something.
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#11 Aug 03 2004 at 2:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Can we get this in the Useful Guides topic?
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I like. Nice guide. Up to 22 following your guide. Hopefully we can get it onto Popsi sticky. Keep having to search thru pages to find it.
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#13 Aug 12 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Nice guide Aurik! is the starting level on Battle Bracers right?
#14 Aug 12 2004 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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heh, i think he meant "70-72" :p
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Oops, I mean 69-72 on the Battle Bracers. You can probably start them sooner if you like as well, depending on your material costs for silk headbands versus battle bracers. Once again, do your research to determine when is the best time to switch for you.
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#16 Aug 14 2004 at 5:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey aurikan

How much gil have you estimated losing from level 0-60 while skilling clothcraft?

any rough guess will do

Edited, Sat Aug 14 06:55:10 2004 by Fragmentation
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#17 Aug 15 2004 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I just got level 8 clothcraft, finally. Your guide is helpful, but there's one problem. When I went to Selbina I found myself in what has to be the most horrible prices for cape ingredients (Next to AH, maybe...). 240-350 for 1 grass cloth, 49 for each thread. Easy to say I went from 75k to 49k doing this! It was worse than raising Bronze Scales for level 10 smithing. If I never have to forge another cape again it'll be too soon! This was just sick...

Note: Capes sold for 82! A total loss from which I may never recover...

Edited, Sun Aug 15 07:45:17 2004 by Titanhex
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#18 Sep 01 2004 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I went from 72.0 to 78.0 on only rainbow threads. It took me 410 spider webs (and I lost 35 due to synth failures) to get those 6 points. I did most of my crafting on darksday, and avoided crafting on a new moon.

I'm at 78.4 now having made two stacks of rainbow cloth. Its painful when I lose rainbow threads during failed synth. I strongly advise against synthing rainbow cloths on earthsday. I found watersday to work pretty well so far ^^.

The alternative is to make lvl 81 Jester's headband. But you lose about 2-3k per synth since it only sells to the npc for 3.something k. Atleast with the rainbow cloths there's a chance to make a profit, but its about 500k to make a stack, so you'll be crafting very sporadicly as you wait for the cloth to sell.
#19 Sep 01 2004 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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80-88: Arhat's Hakama

I started this @79 for two reasons. one: i have the Magnifying Spectacles, so my skill level was the equivalent of 80, and two: because i ran out of rainbow thread for the cloth :P

i have so far taken the hakama to level 85, its pretty smooth, selling to NPC for a slight loss

cant wait till i can craft Giant Bird Fletchings XD finally, a fairly cheap synth! (though im dreading 95-100...should cost TONS)
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First, 50 per grass thread is kinda expensive for selbina. It's usually 30-40 on my server. Sorry to hear of this.

Second, if grass cloth > (grass thread * 3 + 30) * 1.05, buy the thread and make it into cloth yourself. You'll save money doing this.

Third, clothcraft sucks badly from 4 until 10-11. I don't know of any good way around this.
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#21 Sep 02 2004 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Well so far i'm only level 4.8ish but that due to like no time to follow this guide. I've been looking around also and I personally haven't found an NPC who buys capes above 86... Max fame in Selbina. I'll head back to Windurst and try around there. Also I totally skipped the Yag Necklaces because of the cap... I actually do advise that if you can farm your own lightning crystals easily (elementals):

With an airship pass and around level 9 fame Moko Grass goes from the NPC on the docks for like 20ish. 6 needed to make 3 threads so 120. Normally Yag necklaces sell for 200ish last I looked. Now thats assumeing you aren't going to go farm them. Personally I would prefer to farm the eles (and it seems you need a LOT of lightning crystals so thats not such a bad idea...) and buy the grass then farm the necklaces and wind crystals. Granted I think it would be less if you farmed necklaces and bought wind crystals or vice versa but necklaces don't stack.


Having level 48 in cooking I know how the 9+ difference in level to cap effects your synths... you get some poor rates. So i'm currently researching other ways to get to about 13 from 8 or so... Darts seem good although I don't know how much they sell to NPCs for and I don't think you can AH them that quick. But that will help save flax flowers which means more thread which equals more cloth. I'll post later with what I find out about NPC and synth prices.

Also I HIGHLY suggest making everything for the capes yourself... you loose a lot less gil to start that way. As someone else posted in the guild the price for grass cloth was around 270 although your price for thread was about right on.

I figured out (for my fame, rank 9 in selbina)

Per Cape you need 7 threads total (assumeing no fails in synths) so 7x45(ish) is 315 w/o any crystals.
Now Moko Grass is about 20 (it was actually 15 ATM in the guild...) now you do need 14 (2 Moko=one thread, seven threads per cape) so that ups it some. 14x20 (ish again, but I found I can get it cheaper then that all the time but i'm just rounding) is 280. So each cape sells for 86... Loose about 200 gil or 235? You'll have to do the math yourself of course to see which is cheaper but for me I can get the moko grass for a fixed 18gil which makes my cost per cape about 260ish. Now while thats not a lot saved prices from the guild varries... Having some fixed prices helps to see how much you will need. Also with the AMOUNT of capes you need to make to get to 8 it adds up. Your not going to get 4 skill points on 10 capes. Not 100 either but probably somewhere around 20-30 I would say depending on skill-up rates. That's an extra flax flower each ten capes I make.

Again all that assumes you farm crystals (and earths are so easy to farm...)

I guess my whole point is do your research about different things and take your time. Of course all the information I posted above is from someone who has:
Airship Pass
Level 9 fame about everywhere but norg
WHM high enough to teleport to every crag.

Not everyone will have that but chances are you can sut corners here and there at the loss of a few (in-game) days of crafting but I would prefer to save gil then dig a bigger pit to get out of.

Oh a note about the Flax FLowers: The guild in Selbina stocks MORE then Ten Stacks. I had 10 spaces for misc things when I was done in selbina and filled them up because they were 176 but the guild still wasn't sold out....
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#22 Sep 02 2004 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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I've gotten to 54 and should make 60 by today, and after an initial loss for the first 15 levels or so, I leveled cloth either "free" or with minor profits. Leveling off Green Ribbons now, I've found I can break even on them until my skill is high enough to synth with more than 50% success, at which point I'll be profiting. ^^

Suggestions: start doing the earlier fletching recipes ASAP (up to Insect Fletchings). I started all of them at 9 under cap. Go out to Tahrongi and farm Wind Clusters with a RNG sub, then either farm the feathers/wings yourself or buy them cheap off AH. Once you get to within 5 or less points of a fletching recipe cap, go out and synth in the field while farming Air Elementals and Yagudo/birds/etc. There are a couple stages in between the fletching recipes where you'll have to do other stuff, but any losses are balanced out by leveling basically for "free" (minus farming time) off fletchings. I know a lot of people say farming is an opportunity cost while crafting, but you can get all your ingredients for fletchings from just one or two nearby zones, so why not do it?
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#23 Sep 02 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea my whole thing with farming for ingrediants overall is that mostly things are spread out zone wise and/or rare drops... Yag/Bird feathers are insanely common drops really and you do have wind eles in the same zone...

Edit: I was also already thinking about skiping the cotton (I think) synths and moving striaght to bird fletchs because of the readily availability of of what you need...
Edit 2: Sorry that would be wool phase...

Edited, Thu Sep 2 17:35:33 2004 by Tomec

Edited, Thu Sep 2 17:37:02 2004 by Tomec
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#24 Sep 02 2004 at 6:45 PM Rating: Default
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The original guide is better :p
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#25 Sep 03 2004 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Great Thread. I am a windy Galka and I have just decided to take up clothcrafting. This guide will be a fantastic resource. RATE UP!!!
#26 Sep 03 2004 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Ouch! i just got to the "is that a rainbow" stage, and ****, it hurts!

I spent today leveling up from 71 (battle bracers dont give good skill anymore) to 72.2 on rainbow threads, now i thought fails might hurt but its not so bad with adv support, and the threads give decent skillups.

The biggest problem i have is selling all those **** rainbow threads, ive had a stack on the AH today (undercutting by 10k, i dont care about profit i just want to sell the stuff) and none have sold, also theres about 10-20 other stacks at the same time and they aint mooving.

Tommorow im going to level leathercraft to 20 so i can have a bash at the jester capes, hopefully that will work out. My advice to anyone who is interested in doing rainbow threads from 72-78 is find a fellow crafter who you can provide with them for the cost to make, that is unless you have several million in the bank and your willing to wait a couple of weeks to get it back.

The plan at the moment is get to 76 then hopefully do the relativly cheap dodge headbands untill 81 or whatever the cap is.

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#27 Sep 08 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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i am just posting on this thread to put it back up at the top because it is such a useful thread and i want to be able to find it easier next time i look for it.
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#28 Sep 15 2004 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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bump ^.^, great info
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#29 Sep 15 2004 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow kick *** guide! I was looking into starting clothcraft, and with your guide showing me a way, I am sure I will try it.

Rate up! ^^
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#30 Sep 16 2004 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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ok nice guide,

spider web @level 72 is a HUGE loose in gils i tried myself, with moghancement lightning @ full moon ended w/ 50K loose and +0.0 in my crafts, i'm doing green beret atm until 74 i think did 72->73 for only 100K

recipe is
1silk thread
2silk cloth
1chocobo feather
1giant bird feather

@ 74 i think you can craft rainbow thread w/ nice success and sell it for a little profit /enjoy

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#31 Sep 26 2004 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Rainbow Cloth's have a hard time selling on Fairy atm. So i'm a bit doubtful of converting all my Rainbow Threads to cloth's.

I've opted to sell the Threads as stacks and do Jesters Headbands to 81
#32 Sep 26 2004 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Just for your info,if you are sick of doing green ribbons, you can do black mitts(cap at 60) especially when you are at level 53-54 when you tend to break a lot synthing ribbons.

They sell for around 4000G back to guild and you can actually make a small profit if you desynth to get the raw materials and you manage to buy cheap flax flowers/lightning crystals.

Black mitts = velvet cloth + linen cloth + silver thread + saruta cotton.
#33 Sep 27 2004 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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the silk road is horribly long, I think I will switch to field hose for few synth ( currently level 52.7 )

and try other recipe to reach 54/55 before switching to green ribbon


I am rising a little goldsmithing to subskill on clothcraft. ( some interesting synth seems to require a subskill of goldsmithing )

if anyone can show some interesting clothcraft subskill, I am interested




bad money time for me, crafting is slowed by my leveling expnse ( ie staves an spells ;_; )
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#34 Sep 27 2004 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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lvl 51-53 4 words...KEEEP YOUR SILK CLOTH!!! I know you may be tempted to sell it for a profit when your done, but it will save you time to jsut keep it and dump it into green ribbons and later, headbands

lvl 53-69 green ribbons/silk headbands, the ribbons are a small loss but thier skill seems to fade after about lvl 61. atleast mine did. Silk headbands are another good skill for a bit larger loss of ~800/synth. I switched over to battle bracers at 65 and made Id guess ~200k going to 71.4 where....see below (On a side note, green ribbons and silk headbands are worth a wonderful amount of guild points. they are nearly a 1:1 ratio of GP:gil so keep your eye out for these babies from the guild ;) Its an easy 5-6k points for the day)

RAINBOW! GAH!. The statement "these will cost a lot" and " you will have to synth a ton" is an understatement. at lvl 71.4 I switched to rainbow thread. in the end I made 66 rainbow thread at a cost of ~11.4k a piece and that got me to lvl 73. I was already sick of throwing money at these threads. I calculated that i had synthed approx ~1mil worth of synths in a matter of a few days. I ended up with ~780k worth of threads. I decided it was time to bail out and find something else to synth. So since I had gotten my glasses I felt it a good time to do so. I synthed these into cloth. the result was 18 pieces of cloth, with a total value of 594000 gil when sold in singles. Skill gain was .8 for those synths. Now I ahve to wait an eternity for these to sell to get that back. so yep. post 71 it has costed ~150k+ per lvl. so be warned! Im currently looking at alternate synths to get close to 80 with. even tho they lose money its better than the thread/cloth IMO. (for making the cloth I synthed 22 times with those results. keep note the skill was only 6+1 lvls off)

As for post 80... =\ still cant find anything that will get me past the gap of ~84-88. So Ive taken a break from cloth and started capping all my other skills which I will need to advance my cloth further (smithing,GS,alchemy and leather).

This is a good guide, loses a bit more money than I did but instead goes sligtly faster. Watch the market with those fletchings, be sure the check Sandy to see if you can make a profit. When I was crafting most of the fletchings were a big loss. Insect hit rock bottom right at the end of my synthing sessoin so I lucked out but bird were horrible and yag were pretty bad as well. Just so everyone takes note ;). And I know you may have 40 stacks to sell, try not to undercut it too much. WW need these to lvl off arrows so there IS a demand, no need to cut people out of the market.
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#35 Sep 27 2004 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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As for post 80... =\ still cant find anything that will get me past the gap of ~84-88


I'm doing Arhat's Hakama now, trivials at 88. It is a flaming PITA recipe that takes hours to assemble the materials for 12 combines unless you have money to blow out your nose. You will sell to NPC at a loss, best case, but it's the only thing I've found to get the sheer number of combines you need to gain skill post 80. After 88, the "cheap" recipes are multicraft ~ you would be able to Errant Slops to 94. Only ~24K per combine (depends on your server's prices).

#36 Sep 27 2004 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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hmm Arhats hakama eh? hmm must've missed that in the list Ack! im going blind! @_@ lol. As for the errant gear. the best one seems to be the slops. the hat is a horrible loss. and while the tunic isnt a loss its a ~100k synth. {No Thanks} >.<

Oh wait, I remember arhats, ya I noticed its a sellback of like 3400 to an NPC. That is a wicked loss so I was looking for another synth that was a bit closer to break even.
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#37 Sep 27 2004 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
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Very nice guide, I love the detail you put into this! How much do you think it cost to skill up to 60, any ruff estimate would be great. I might very take up cloth craft, thanks in advance!
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Lienna ~ There may also be hope for Giant Bird Plumes in the future. I read a post somewhere that one of the CoP zone (Lufaise Meadows, maybe) has an area of giant bird model mobs. The plumes sell for 15K each on Asura. If the price came down, it might be a viable alternate to Errant Slops to 94.
#39 Sep 27 2004 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I had looked into those at one point, and found them to be a ~4k loss per synth I think. bired plumes were like 8k eacha dn a stack of fletchings were 20. but its 4 feathers per stack so it costs 32 to make them and rarely sell ^^;
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#40 Sep 30 2004 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Great guide, I liked Comet's and I think this adds a few extra details that are helpful.

One typo: Your Shinobi-Tabi recipe is missing the crystal (Earth) in both the summary and the comment section.
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#41 Sep 30 2004 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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For the 72-78 gap has anyone tried the Shinobi Hakama (capped at 79) syn?

Recipe:

Linen Thread@
Linen Cloth ~2@
Silk Cloth@
Sheep Leather ~2

The ingredient look cheap compare to a 10-12k syn for rainbow threads... (anyone know how much these sells for npc?)
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#42 Oct 04 2004 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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At about 53, when i was making the Green Ribbon, i decided to try to desynth them (water day) and i got about a stack of silk thread from about 6-9 green ribbon.

Lightning Crystal
Green Ribbon

HQ was about 3 which i got about 40% of the time, and normal is just 1 silk thread.

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That was with the advanced imagery. without i failed alot :(

Edited, Mon Oct 4 21:01:34 2004 by Razorbladee
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I just wanted to say thank you aurikan. I've used cometnet's most of the way, and i will use your guide for 60+.

I just hit 62! Woo hoo!

Silk head bands don't seem like much fun. I think i'm going to take a break and do some profit recepies. >.<

Here are a few tips on green ribbons i posted in cometnet's (silk) thread.

Remember i'm the frugal crafter type. I make all my money through crafting (and reselling) so my recommendations are economically driven.

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Ok, first thing you guys: Ribbons are not very expensive to level unless you break them. Then they really hurt. Best thing to do from levels 52~57 would be to craft on earthday. (or windsday is ok too) It's really in your best intrest to wait.

remember, crafting on the day your crystal is strong to is best for succes rate.
Also, crafting on the day your crystal is weak to is best for skill ups. (but not reccomended for green ribons)

Moon phase is important too, full = success while new = skillups. See this thread for some great day/moon phase data.

I blew 2 stacks crafting on Iceday (wind crystal HQ day) with a new moon thinking "O.o skillups!" Cost me 100k for .5 level =(

For large gaps or expensive materials, go for success rate! green ribbons are both. >.<


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THX this helps alot i'm lvl 8.6 Clothcraft....
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#45 Oct 06 2004 at 11:31 PM Rating: Good
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For the 72-78 gap has anyone tried the Shinobi Hakama (capped at 79) syn?

Recipe:

Linen Thread@
Linen Cloth ~2@
Silk Cloth@
Sheep Leather ~2

The ingredient look cheap compare to a 10-12k syn for rainbow threads... (anyone know how much these sells for npc?)


horrible, its about 3400gil if i recall. Worth some nice GP tho ^^;
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#46 Oct 07 2004 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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horrible, its about 3400gil if i recall. Worth some nice GP tho ^^;


Ouch~ but I already have tones of silk headband waiting to be turned into GP now ;_;

I am currently stuck at 63.6 and I am foregoing silk headband and doing Battle bracer straight.. since silk headband is selling so poorly I end up loosing more money on Jeuno's AH Posting fee then NPCing...

I lost about 12k - 15k for every 1/2 a lvl doing Battle bracer from material loss.. I figure it's about the same cost if I NPC the silk headbands.. but wind crystals are way too expensive and the carbon fibre's price flutuates quite a bit as well... ;_;

thx for the info though. I rate u up ^^

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#47 Oct 07 2004 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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I was able to make Silk Headbands and Battle Bracers for close to break-even or even a profit, but I am certifiably stingy and made most of my own subcombines. Also be sure to raise your windy fame - it helps when you vendor the results.
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62-69 Silk Headband
Earth Crystal
Silk Cloth
Carbon Fiber


This step took me about 350k to finished ><.

Edited, Wed Oct 20 19:41:37 2004 by HeartOfLove
#49 Oct 21 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I lost about 12k - 15k for every 1/2 a lvl doing Battle bracer from material loss..


Currently 65.4 and I find that I am losing about 15-20k per 1/2 lvl more than really 12-15k... from battle bracer.

I also got a bit impatient and did a bit of Black Chocobo Fletchings. These can be bought from Chocobo Stable NPC from the nation that is rank first. (I think u have to be of that nation as well) My mule has 0 fame and they sell for about 1.3k/ feather... And the Blk Chocobo Fletchings sells for 3k/stack on Ifrit. Iono how much the price will be lowered if u have maxed fame... but if u can get the feather down to 750gil each u can break even with this syn (excluding the crystals cost) Just wondering if anyone has tried to get feather at max fame.

I also notice that I lose less material doing blk chocobo fletching syn than battle bracer. Probably b/c battle bracer has so many material in the recipe.
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#50 Oct 21 2004 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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You dont have to be of that nation to buy the feathers, just affected by your fame in that city. And I have max fame in all cities and the black feathers are 1285 if I recall or right around there. These are just an alternate route but still give a loss.
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*edit* and your material loss may be something different, the two synths use a different crystal, check what day you are crafting on and if you have any kind of elemental energy in your MH

Edited, Thu Oct 21 15:45:37 2004 by Lienna
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#51 Oct 21 2004 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Just want to say Thank You
What an excellent guide, it got me to LV60 cloth in just under 2 weeks.

TY so much, and keep up the good work
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