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#352 Jun 12 2013 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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I may get a Wii U when that X game comes out (Xenoblade team). Maybe by then the price will be lower.
I've found endless enjoyment in the Nintendoland game.
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http://www.neowin.net/news/electronic-arts-says-it-didnt-ask-for-xbox-ones-drm

Also I found this kind of funny. Apparently the biggest DRM douche in the biz doesn't support Microsofts position on Used games either.
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http://www.neowin.net/news/electronic-arts-says-it-didnt-ask-for-xbox-ones-drm

Also I found this kind of funny. Apparently the biggest DRM douche in the biz doesn't support Microsofts position on Used games either.
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I'm not convinced Microsoft is the one behind the DRM.
I didn't see it covered yet, but EA is saying they did not push for any console enforced DRM.
Not like someone didn't just post this at all... Smiley: oyvey


...anyway, my criticism:
I only see that it says EA did not lobby for the policies. That is, Microsoft considered them or designed around it, then asked developers/publishers if they would support such a system. If EA had been the one to lobby, then Microsoft would be implementing the policies out of demand from EA and the like.

I don't know Moore's track record, but he only claims that he, himself, is against used game policies. This means nothing about EA, which as you've said, has been pretty much anti-used games so far.
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I thought Ubisoft was the biggest DRM douche in the business Smiley: confused
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#356 Jun 12 2013 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Yes and no, Ubisoft always wanted the Always online check type DRM which is one of the worst, EA didnt care what kind it was as long as they felt it stopped piracy, leading up to the eventual Online Pass system and Simcity 5
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#357 Jun 12 2013 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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List of E3 titles and confirmed platforms.
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#358 Jun 12 2013 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder if there is any truth to this, and if so...I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml


From what I heard they're not paying them to not show the games, but if the game is cross-platform to not mention that fact at all and just mention the Xbone version.


So we might be under the impression that a number of XBone games are exclusives, and they aren't? Wow... That certainly doesn't help them.

Also, regarding the 3DS, I have difficulty justifying the purchase. Nintendo's apple-esque approach to its handhelds annoys me, and I can't handle the 3D feature. I know it's not required, but it just seems crazy to purchase a 3DS when the only real difference is that its a DS that handles 3D. I seriously doubt that any 3DS game, sans the 3D stuff, couldn't actually be played just fine on the DS.

So it just feels like being forced to purchase something for no good reason...

Granted, I want the Fire Emblem game. And Pokemon XY. I imagine I'll live, though.
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#359 Jun 12 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Granted, I want the Fire Emblem game. And Pokemon XY. I imagine I'll live, though.
The new Animal Crossing game is pretty fun.
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#360 Jun 12 2013 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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I Bought my 3DS for Tale of the Abyss 3D, I love that game. I just sold it for moving expenses and I wasnt playing it nearly as much as I would have hoped.
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#361 Jun 12 2013 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Granted, I want the Fire Emblem game. And Pokemon XY. I imagine I'll live, though.
The new Animal Crossing game is pretty fun.

Oh yeah, I forgot that came out. I've mostly disregarded anything not awesome enough to get the 3DS. I'll file it under the list, though. Maybe some day it'll expand to be large enough that I'll just bite the bullet.
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Yes and no, Ubisoft always wanted the Always online check type DRM which is one of the worst

...and activation limits.
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#363 Jun 12 2013 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder if there is any truth to this, and if so...I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml


Just a heads up, that article cites the link I posted in the OP as the source. Take from that what you will.
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#364 Jun 12 2013 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Also, regarding the 3DS, I have difficulty justifying the purchase. Nintendo's apple-esque approach to its handhelds annoys me, and I can't handle the 3D feature. I know it's not required, but it just seems crazy to purchase a 3DS when the only real difference is that its a DS that handles 3D. I seriously doubt that any 3DS game, sans the 3D stuff, couldn't actually be played just fine on the DS.

So it just feels like being forced to purchase something for no good reason...

I don't use the 3D feature. I can't hate 3D and it makes me nauseous so leave it off all the time. That said, it's still a good system with some good games and more on the way. It can also play DS games and has some older stuff available for cheap in the store. It's also more powerful than a DS. I doubt the DS could have handled Kingdom Hearts or Tales of the Abyss.

Then again my love of the 3DS may also be partly because I travel a lot so a good handheld system is important to me. Who knows?
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#365 Jun 12 2013 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Would replacing the HD in one of these (ps4 or xbox) with an SSD be crazy awesome, or would it not work as great as I expect?

edit: not sure if xbox hd can be easily replaced, i know ps4 can.

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 1:39pm by KTurner
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You cant on an Xbox 360 Proprietary only, For PS3 you would see a small gain in install/delete speed and a tad on loading but it was using Sata 1 at the time.
As for the PS4 maybe , It depends on what Sata they use and how the system itself works with the HDD It could be great or not. Also the XBoner aslo has proprietary HDD , the PS4 again does not.

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KTurner wrote:
Would replacing the HD in one of these (ps4 or xbox) with an SSD be crazy awesome, or would it not work as great as I expect?


I don't think it made that big of a difference in the PS3. And the Xbox One does not have a user modifiable hard drive.
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#368 Jun 12 2013 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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You cant on an Xbox 360 Proprietary only, For PS3 you would see a small gain in install/delete speed and a tad on loading but it was using Sata 1 at the time.
As for the PS4 maybe , It depends on what Sata they use and how the system itself works with the HDD It could be great or not. Also the XBoner aslo has proprietary HDD , the PS4 again does not.

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 3:37pm by BeanX


Reason I ask is that I just watched a Forza 5 live gameplay video and it had a 30 second load time for the race. That's about the same as last gen and I guess I expected a faster loading time out of this generation.
#369 Jun 12 2013 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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KTurner wrote:
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You cant on an Xbox 360 Proprietary only, For PS3 you would see a small gain in install/delete speed and a tad on loading but it was using Sata 1 at the time.
As for the PS4 maybe , It depends on what Sata they use and how the system itself works with the HDD It could be great or not. Also the XBoner aslo has proprietary HDD , the PS4 again does not.
Reason I ask is that I just watched a Forza 5 live gameplay video and it had a 30 second load time for the race. That's about the same as last gen and I guess I expected a faster loading time out of this generation.
An SSD would speed up the loading time when entering a new areas or starting a new level, but a lot more will depend on what type of event you were watching. The effect will be much more noticeable in Single Player. Multiplayer/Online is going to be more limited by communication rather than HDD reads/writes.

Also, since the new consoles have 8 GB of RAM, games might have a lot more data to read and load into memory before you can start playing. An SSD will reduce this a lot, but again, the SATA connection also will play a role.


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TirithRR wrote:
KTurner wrote:
Would replacing the HD in one of these (ps4 or xbox) with an SSD be crazy awesome, or would it not work as great as I expect?


I don't think it made that big of a difference in the PS3. And the Xbox One does not have a user modifiable hard drive.


after researching some (yes i posted first then researched later) i found that in GT5 load times ~halved with an SSD.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/playstation-ps3-ssd-upgrade-loading,11811.html
#371 Jun 12 2013 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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Also, regarding the 3DS, I have difficulty justifying the purchase. Nintendo's apple-esque approach to its handhelds annoys me, and I can't handle the 3D feature. I know it's not required, but it just seems crazy to purchase a 3DS when the only real difference is that its a DS that handles 3D. I seriously doubt that any 3DS game, sans the 3D stuff, couldn't actually be played just fine on the DS.

So it just feels like being forced to purchase something for no good reason...

I don't use the 3D feature. I can't hate 3D and it makes me nauseous so leave it off all the time. That said, it's still a good system with some good games and more on the way. It can also play DS games and has some older stuff available for cheap in the store. It's also more powerful than a DS. I doubt the DS could have handled Kingdom Hearts or Tales of the Abyss.

Then again my love of the 3DS may also be partly because I travel a lot so a good handheld system is important to me. Who knows?


Yeah I never use 3D. To me, 3D wasn't a selling point, being able to play new games (and the fact that a new 3DS is only like 25 bucks more expensive than a DS) was the selling point.

3DS games are definitely of higher graphic fidelity than DS games. They couldn't be played on a DS (except for maybe Eritrean Odyssey IV? Maybe?) Again, they aren't Vita quality, but they noticeably better in terms of graphics than DS.

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Well, there's always a chance I'll get it when XY comes out, particularly if there's a sale.

But unless I start commuting via public transport, there just isn't much reason to get one. I drive 3-4 hours a day now, and I barely have time to play any of the massive backlog of games I have now...
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Yeah I need to look into getting another one, My Bus trip to school here in Seattle is 1 hour each way (1 transfer) My Psp is doing quite well but playing some other games would be nice.
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#374 Jun 12 2013 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I drive 3-4 hours a day now


Aw man, that's bogus. I seriously can't even imagine, that must be such a bummer.
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I've been watching Gametrailers for my E3 coverage. It's where I watched the Monday conferences, and yesterday I tuned in again to http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/live.html and was able to watch a recorded five hour block of interviews, trailers, etc from earlier in the day. But today I don't get to set it to a live (recorded, since I couldn't watch it actually live) all day coverage and listen to it in the background as I do other stuff, cause apparently there isn't anything but short trailers and snippet videos?

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I drive 3-4 hours a day now


Aw man, that's bogus. I seriously can't even imagine, that must be such a bummer.


Lol, no kidding. my 20 minute commute ****** me off.
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Seriously. I thought my old 2 hour a day commute was bad. 3-4 hours every day would drive me insane.
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#378 Jun 12 2013 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, it's really, REALLY not awesome.

I'm starting to look for work in NYC. Bus ride there would technically be a slightly longer commute, but it would mean a longer commute of primarily free time. I get... angry... when driving. Add in the fact that I love to read and the bus is naturally preferable for me.

Until then, I'll just continue spending a ludicrous percentage of my paycheck on gas. Oh, and tolls. About $5 a day in tolls.
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I'm kind of disappointed that Elder Scrolls Online is separating up players by platform. PS4 only plays with PS4, XBone with XBone, PC/Mac with PC/Mac. Basically three separate games.
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That sounds like an absolutely awful idea.

I guess this just means they'll have fewer servers, but already separating your MMO community into thirds will hurt in a game that will have a focus on PvP... or at least that's my take on it.
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I can always hope beyond hope that this means they'll be designing a game intended to be played with M+KB rather than one intended to be played with a controller.
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That sounds like an absolutely awful idea.

I guess this just means they'll have fewer servers, but already separating your MMO community into thirds will hurt in a game that will have a focus on PvP... or at least that's my take on it.


According to the interview, they did it because of PVP. Apparently they felt the differences between Mouse/Keyboard and Controller would be enough to give one or the other an advantage/disadvantage. Kind of bogus reasoning in my book. Then again, they said that a player housing system would be too complicated to implement in the MMO back in the beginning announcements too (dunno if that has changed since).
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I can always hope beyond hope that this means they'll be designing a game intended to be played with M+KB rather than one intended to be played with a controller.


You're a dreamer arent you?

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Apparently they felt the differences between Mouse/Keyboard and Controller would be enough to give one or the other an advantage/disadvantage. Kind of bogus reasoning in my book.

M+KB is a huge advantage over controller. Which is why console FPS's usually have aim assist and PC ones don't (or have the option to turn it off).

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Free-to-play online games will not require PS+.


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Apparently they felt the differences between Mouse/Keyboard and Controller would be enough to give one or the other an advantage/disadvantage. Kind of bogus reasoning in my book.

M+KB is a huge advantage over controller. Which is why console FPS's usually have aim assist and PC ones don't (or have the option to turn it off).
It's surprising they consider it an advantage is an MMO though. Definitely splitting up makes sense for FPS games though... but didn't I hear Destiny would not be segregated?
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That sounds like an absolutely awful idea.

I guess this just means they'll have fewer servers, but already separating your MMO community into thirds will hurt in a game that will have a focus on PvP... or at least that's my take on it.


Wait, the game focuses on PVP? And there isn't player housing?

Smiley: dubious
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It's surprising they consider it an advantage is an MMO though. Definitely splitting up makes sense for FPS games though... but didn't I hear Destiny would not be segregated?

Bow sniping? I dunno... my one play through I went 100% mage.
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It's surprising they consider it an advantage is an MMO though. Definitely splitting up makes sense for FPS games though... but didn't I hear Destiny would not be segregated?
Bow sniping? I dunno... my one play through I went 100% mage.
I think it's related with the ability to turn accurately at a much faster rate on PC... but just my guess. I say let them face the master race like the peasants they are.


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That sounds like an absolutely awful idea.

I guess this just means they'll have fewer servers, but already separating your MMO community into thirds will hurt in a game that will have a focus on PvP... or at least that's my take on it.
Wait, the game focuses on PVP? And there isn't player housing?

Smiley: dubious
Well there is the whole Alliance War thing and all... http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
xypin wrote:
That sounds like an absolutely awful idea.

I guess this just means they'll have fewer servers, but already separating your MMO community into thirds will hurt in a game that will have a focus on PvP... or at least that's my take on it.


Wait, the game focuses on PVP? And there isn't player housing?

Smiley: dubious


Didn't you hear, it has nothing to do with TES anymore, it's DAOC 2.0. They're just cashing in on the name.
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I've been trying REALLY hard to keep an open mind on the game. This is not helping.
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I've been trying REALLY hard to keep an open mind on the game. This is not helping.


When I first heard about it I wanted it to die in a fire. Then I heard they were changing a lot of the things that ****** me off so I set aside my anger of yet another franchise I hold dear being utterly destroyed due to greed and stupidity, and started to look into it again. Then I wanted it to die in a fire all over again for a huge list of all new reasons.

If PVP and lack of housing are what's bothering you, just stop right now. The rest of the crap they've done will **** you off.
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I refuse to play it until I'm allowed into the beta.


Speaking of Beta,. My girlfriends mom is a massage therapist close to MS campus here in Seattle. Its pretty ritzy, anyway she was telling me about a customer yesterday talking about Halo and the new game Defiance (She ment Destiny) The guy was is a project lead on Destiny, and I told her next time he comes in mention your Son In law is a big fan an wouldnt mind a Beta key. If it happens Im getting all you bastards in :P
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I've been trying REALLY hard to keep an open mind on the game. This is not helping.


When I first heard about it I wanted it to die in a fire. Then I heard they were changing a lot of the things that ****** me off so I set aside my anger of yet another franchise I hold dear being utterly destroyed due to greed and stupidity, and started to look into it again. Then I wanted it to die in a fire all over again for a huge list of all new reasons.

If PVP and lack of housing are what's bothering you, just stop right now. The rest of the crap they've done will **** you off.


I may have just let out a disgruntled groan.

I just don't get why they'd make it a PVP-centric game? That boggles my mind.

I mean, let's point out that the only PVP MMO that has done well is EVE, which is essentially a different genre. So it's already a risky proposition.

But why the **** would you take ES, which has always been a solo PVE experience, and decide that it needs to be a multiplayer PVP experience?

How does that make any sense?

Honestly, if they had just made multiplayer Skyrim, and used city wards to open up player housing (maybe with some in-game manors that required high taxes in upkeep or something, for prestige), I feel like their profit potential would be way higher.

I just don't see most MMO players playing for PVP.
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I have zero interest in a PVP-centic MMORPG. And I'm equally perplexed why they'd take one of the main single-player RPG games these days and make it a PVP game.

Unless, as said, they're just whoring out the name license at this point.
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Does anyone know how PvP-centric the game will be?

I know there will still be a lot of PvE too and only certain areas will allow PvP, so I didn't think it was the primary focus of the game... but it's not some small part of the game either.
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The game's core focus is PVP. The Emperor of Cyrodiil is chosen based on PVP rankings, which alone tells you pretty much everything you need to know about where the focus lies.

Here's the PVP info TGS just put up from E3

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Yeah, those hundreds of quests, missions, and storylines be damned, if the the game has a strong PVP element it's going to crap...
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PVP doesn't make it crap, scraping everything TES in favor of that PVP while still cashing in on that TES name makes it crap.
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Jophiel wrote:
I have zero interest in a PVP-centic MMORPG. And I'm equally perplexed why they'd take one of the main single-player RPG games these days and make it a PVP game.

Unless, as said, they're just whoring out the name license at this point.


That doesn't even make sense to me, because doesn't it seem like their profit would be way higher as a PVE game?

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PVP doesn't make it crap, scraping everything TES in favor of that PVP while still cashing in on that TES name makes it crap.


This. Having extensive PVP opportunities is one thing, having PVP lie at the core of the gameplay is another.

Also, how the **** are we "choosing" an emperor? Is this just some random period where someone in the Septim line happens to not be on the throne for a short while?

And is the Emperor going to be a player, or the NPC leader of that faction?

Also, also, I'm going to be ****** if the first ESO game that allows you to become a leader and issue orders/make laws is the ******* MMO. I've been wanting that for a loooong time.
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