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#302 Jun 11 2013 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's logical.

Hell, my brother-in-law works for Microsoft. When we bought my son a console, we asked him about a discount and he said he could maybe get 10% off retail because the hardware margins are so tight that there's little room for savings. On the plus side, he got me Win 7 Professional ed (retail) for $30.

We wound up getting the kid a PS3. Because his friends had one.

Edited, Jun 11th 2013 10:22am by Jophiel
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#303 Jun 11 2013 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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And kids are definitely tuned into gaming news now.

Smiley: dubious Do you have kids?


My young cousins, who had no gaming consoles and were not video game players in general, were able to perfectly articulate how and why they wanted the 3DS to their technologically oblivious parents. /shrug

Seems fairly common, to be honest. All they're likely to know anything about are the games, at the end of the day. Which helps even the playing field. But Sony's announcements are generally far more relevant to young players than the 360's were. KH3, Pikmin, FF (depending on their age), that weird one with the floating shapes that turn into people (or whatever that was).

And if they're moms that worry about "violence" in video games, the XBone certainly isn't going to help sell itself. With KH alone, Sony has a lot of ability to flood children's channels (like, IDK, Disney) with ads. Commence begging.

The only thing I'm seeing in the XBone lineup that's "kid-friendly" is their music game. Sports games, too, but those are harder to advertise to that target demographic.
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Jophiel wrote:
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Does Best Buy have salesmen incentives for moving $499 consoles?
Not likely unless they have some deal with microsoft. There's very little money to made in retail from consoles. At least I couldn't get jack sh*t of a discount on consoles when I worked there back in the day.

I meant more generally for the departments. I suppose they're trying to push $70 HDMI cables on me for a reason.


Yes they are because there is a huge markup on all accessories. There was no commission but the dept supervisors and store managers were pressured pretty hard to meet the sales goals, as expected.

When I worked there it didn't matter what product we sold as long as we loaded them up on accessories and product service plans (extended warranties).

edit: eh, what spoon said. :P

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I like how Gamestop pushes for warranties.
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My young cousins, who had no gaming consoles and were not video game players in general, were able to perfectly articulate how and why they wanted the 3DS to their technologically oblivious parents. /shrug

Eh, my experience with the 12-14 demographic (i.e. my son, his friends, my nephew, his friends) is that most of them are only tangentially aware that their console has a hard drive, much less what size it is. A discussion about used game DRM practices, internet connections pinging once a day* or, God forbid, DDR5 memory and APU architecture might as well be discussing medieval alchemy with them. Not that they're dumb, but their interest extends as far as "Will this let me play CoD with my friends? Yes? Ok, then"

*Given that they all play with each other online anyway, worrying about a required internet connection would seem a bit silly.
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#307 Jun 11 2013 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I never meant to imply that the young demographic would be aware of the kind of specifics that gaming culture cares about. I just meant that they'd be aware that one was the brunt of jokes, and the other wasn't, and that they'll certainly be getting targeted advertising regarding the games and features they should care about.

For the PS3, that'll be social media stuff and a fair number of games. I'm honestly not sure what that would look like on the XBone. None of their games seem like they'd be approved for advertising on youth channels, and most kids don't juggle too many TV stations. I don't see them caring as much about things like voice browsing via Kinect, skype options, etc.

On the other hand, all young people in my life with social media accounts seem to fill their pages with inane comments and updates about everything I do. I can easily see them using that share button.

/shrug
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they'll certainly be getting targeted advertising regarding the games and features they should care about.

I'm pretty sure they all play BF/COD anyway Smiley: grin

Anywho, I'm not trying to seriously debate the issue. As I said, I'd be interested in seeing the demographics just because the whole thing is fairly alien to me. I've nothing against consoles, but I don't have much interest in them either. Not because I think they suck but just because found out I can play games on my internet **** box.
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...then it's your duty as an adult to spread the word!
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I still think Xbox will retain a large section of their existing user base. They'll be tangentially aware of the Xbox being the brunt of jokes, but there's always been plenty of **** at console releases, because people feel they have to justify buying one over the other. I'm sure plenty of a certain demographic will just be looking for the new Halo: Call of Maddenfield machine.
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I agree.

I think the price point might hurt them to the less-than-informed customer, but these other features that everyone is complaining about- they don't apply to a lot of people.

I never sell my games.
I almost always have internet.
I pay for Xbox Gold regardless if content like Netflix is blocked otherwise (I use Netflix, but I have Gold for other reasons, so a paywall is almost meaningless).

I'm willing to bet there's a good deal of US customers that are in the same situation.
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#313 Jun 11 2013 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
Why the flying **** are we talking about this and not Mega Man in **** Super Smash Bros?
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Because Smash Bros still isn't another Megaman Legends.
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Why the flying @#%^ are we talking about this and not Mega Man in **** Super Smash Bros?


Because we care about next gen consoles not current gen.
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Why the flying @#%^ are we talking about this and not Mega Man in **** Super Smash Bros?


Because we care about next gen consoles not current gen.


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#317 Jun 11 2013 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, anyone who uses it as a Call of Duty Box will probably just buy the next iteration.

So the real question is what kind of population is that?

And is Microsoft's new business model going to be able to withstand it? Because they've announced some BIG budgets, but that's not going to show a return if their primary consumer base is customers who just follow the same 1-3 game series and that's it. Theoretically, they're hoping to sell the XBone at a profit (hence the whatever billions they've promised for courting exclusive titles). They were expecting an absolutely insane number of console sales, though. Insane in the realm of "I can't believe we'd sell that many consoles this generation, period."

P.S. I do not like the plural of series. I do not like it at all.
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#318 Jun 11 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
What kind of numbers were they hoping for console sales? I haven't seen it.
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#319 Jun 11 2013 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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They're hoping for a billion-thousand.
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They're hoping for a billion-thousand.


I expect that number to be ready on launch day.
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One billion.

They've sold 77 million 360s, and apparently expect 25 million more sales over the next 5 years (why?)

Their argument is apparently that this generation is expected to inflate to 400 million (what?) and they can make that 1 billion through their mass-media offerings (what?)

I don't get it. The PS2 had over 150 million sales. The PS3 is 70 million.

That's cutting the sales in half, at least... Granted, the PS2 has been out for far longer, and was only recently firmly discontinued. But still.
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#323 Jun 11 2013 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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i think they are done already.
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They presented earlier this morning.

Showed mostly new installments of all their popular IPs (Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, etc.). Smash Bros will include Mega Man.

They introduced a new lineup of more console ports from this last gen.

Showed some Bayonetta 2 gameplay.

Can probably find a video around. I think reddit has a pretty good summary up.
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Yeah, they were at 9 AM PST.
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Ok Which Megaman ? X, Classic, or Legends? (Or box art Smiley: oyvey ) Also just the price difference as most said here is a big enough lead for Sony. Parents are cheap they will see a 500 system or a 400 one and go for the cheaper of the 2.

As for additional accessories, yeah the stores get a bigger markup but most of that stuff isnt needed Like it was on the 360 (Rechargable battery packs, Wireless etc) Sony is pretty good at making sure its optional if you want an accessory and not really vital.

Only thing about Nintendo that bothers me is they have Bayonetta 2, Im hoping (And dreaming) that Platinum Games at least got the right to port to PC or something. I really really enjoyed the first game.
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Smash Bros for the 3DS? Are they really giving us more reasons to not buy a WiiU?
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Smash Bros for the 3DS? Are they really giving us more reasons to not buy a WiiU?


Is this true? If so, awesome. maybe they realize I was never going to buy a Wii U and wanted to sell me something for my 3DS.
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As for additional accessories, yeah the stores get a bigger markup but most of that stuff isnt needed [...]
That doesn't really matter. They sell tons of unnecessary accessories to uninformed consumers every day.
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As for additional accessories, yeah the stores get a bigger markup but most of that stuff isnt needed [...]
That doesn't really matter. They sell tons of unnecessary accessories to uninformed consumers every day.


Man they pushed us to sell Monster Cable.... I'm a terrible liar and just couldn't look people in the face while suggesting Monster Cable, so I always went right over to the Acoustic Research cables, which are what I used for everything in my house.

Some other guys though, they could sell monster cables to an old lady buying a 19" TV and a VCR.

I guess I was a crappy salesman.
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Yeah Im the same way. If i dont see value, I have a hard time selling it. Got me in trouble at a few jobs.
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It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of some of these demographics. Well, provided it was in a nice, neat USA Today style infographic. I wouldn't want to put any work into it. But I've noticed you and I approach this differently; you thinking of the 20-something game consumer waiting outside Best Buy for a launch event, me thinking of the age 8-16 consumer who is getting this stuff because his parents bought it for him.


Don't know how reliable it is, but here is an infographic I came across:

http://www.onlineeducation.net/videogame

Looks like there are slightly more post-50 gamers as under 18 gamers, makes sense given how there are more people age 50 overall than under 18. That said, not sure if this is including facebook games or whatnot. Biggest demographic is 18-49, so not mom and pop buying the console so much.
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Yeah, my understand on those stats is that it includes everything from Farmville to Spider Solitaire to Minesweeper. They're not a great indication of who's dropping console dollars.
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The pretty pictures seem to infer 18-49 year old males for Xbox or PS3, and that those people are more likely to see little flames coming out of the top of the thing.
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Smash Bros was probably the most exciting Nintendo announcement. I was holding out hope for a Wii U Pokemon that required you to quest from Kanto to whatever the name of this new region is, and literally catch all the Pokemon. Alas Nintendo never gave me a reason to get the Wii U, but made me happy that I got a 3DS.

Oh well....Guess Ill make it 4 generations in a row getting a Sony system at launch.
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#337 Jun 12 2013 at 1:46 AM Rating: Good
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Is it bad that I think the 3DS is looking like the best system so far?
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Is... is this a joke?
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Is... is this a joke?


Nope, the director of the Smash Bros series even did a video demonstrating all three new characters.

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If Nintendo would just back down and make a **** Pokemon MMO on the WiiU, they'd dominate... They say they don't want to do it, because there's a physical component of going out in the world with the pokemon you've caught, and battling/trading with friends. But with the GTN, that's already diminished. And it was never a significant part of the Western game experience.

That said, I haven't heard much from the Nintendo show that interests me. Pokemon changes look great, but it's not enough to get me to buy a 3DS. I have no interest in a WiiU, particularly not when all the next gen cross-system games will be leaving it out (as of right now), due to tech limitations. And, you know, this weird-ass controller they'd need to support.

Losing access to Zelda is going to hurt - it's probably the first game series I ever really followed. But to be honest, I never finished Skyward Sword. I don't think I finished either of the DS releases, either. They just haven't been able to hold my attention in recent years.
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I'll never play it, but the idea of fighting as the Wii Fit instructor cracks me up.

We're one of the many, many homes that bought a Wii Fit and used it for about 17 minutes.
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Are we still talking about the XBone?

Don't have an always on internet connection? Stick with the 360 (i.e. don't buy our next-gen console).

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I may get a Wii U when that X game comes out (Xenoblade team). Maybe by then the price will be lower.

I'll much more than likely be getting a PS4.

Not seeing any reason to get an Xbox One yet. Unless Microsoft pulls a move like Tales of Vesperia with the 360 on the next gen... but I somehow doubt it. I got a 360 because of how slow PS3's release and few years of a lack of classic RPG style games.
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More of that Dark Sorcerer video if anyone is interested
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Hahaha that was pretty funny...I forget what that was about. (faces in the game or something). Funny though.
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I believe The Dark Sorcerer is just a tech demo? The old-man face was shown at the original PS4 event without video, so this was the first time we saw it in action. I have no idea if it's an actual game.


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I wonder if there is any truth to this, and if so...I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml
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Considering the budget they announced for exclusives, I would not be surprised.

That said, they need to be offering a LOT of cash if they're going to stop a company from hyping a system they're releasing an exclusive for.

It also shows how bad they, and the devs, consider Microsoft's position. If they accept, it suggests they're confident in a high return on PS4 sales and are trying to buff up X-Bone sales so they make more profit there.

It's not a good sign if they're being thrown a lifeline this early in the game.
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I wonder if there is any truth to this, and if so...I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml


From what I heard they're not paying them to not show the games, but if the game is cross-platform to not mention that fact at all and just mention the Xbone version.
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I wonder if there is any truth to this, and if so...I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Paying-Third-Party-Publishers-to-Not-Show-PS4-Games-at-E3-2013-Report-359264.shtml


I didn't watch all of it, but I know for a fact the Need for Speed game shown by EA was being played onstage on a ps4.
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Is it bad that I think the 3DS is looking like the best system so far?


The 3DS is a fantastic little time waster. With the backwards compatability with DS it has a massive collection of RPGs to play through, nevermind you can now play all the gameboy/colour zelda games on it as well.

Obvs it isn't a vita, but I play it more than any of my other non-computer gaming systems. The newest fire emblem alone makes the system worthwhile. Mario Kart (which you can play online as well) is a great addition, and I am really looking forward to the new Shin Megami Tensai game coming out in July (preordered the special first edition - which looks hawt) as well.
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