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#252 Jun 10 2013 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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#253 Jun 10 2013 at 9:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Did Sony announce a release time? I didn't catch it if they did.
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#254 Jun 10 2013 at 9:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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#255 Jun 10 2013 at 9:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Holiday 2013 is all I heard


I swear i heard someone say Sept 17th I may be wrong though. It May have been a game release day too IDK

Edited, Jun 10th 2013 10:14pm by BeanX
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One sec, let me check all the memes on reddit Smiley: lol


My favorite: http://25.media.tumblr.com/393b4d9f0fbfac002106661b07db9dc9/tumblr_mo7k9qc0u81srwynoo1_500.gif

Anyway, some searching leads me to nothing new about release date, but might have missed a report somewhere.

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#258 Jun 10 2013 at 9:19 PM Rating: Excellent
Oh my god they win this year. I don't even care about the paywall, because honestly their plus service kicks ass.

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#259 Jun 10 2013 at 9:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't care, that's simply great.
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#260 Jun 10 2013 at 9:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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After all of that, I don't see how MS can compete at all. They have a more expensive, less powerful, DRM laden console and their exclusive list isn't terribly impressive. I had already decided not to by an Xbone, but Sony just convince me that if I pick a next gen console it'll be the PS4.


Don't forget that 90% of the new features from Xbox 360 are unavailable to the rest of the world!
Oh yea, Microsoft completely abandoned most of the world and are being **** about it in areas outside of North America (priced at 499 euros? wtf $599 in Australia?). Though I guess Sony is following the same pricing method.

None of the apps work outside the US and the online requirement limits any chance for developing a market in areas like Africa or the Middle East.

Edited, Jun 10th 2013 10:14pm by xypin


Yes it will be Base Price > Countries Conversion + Other Applicable inherent charges.

Which is a **** off really, in Canada our Dollar is almost par and was leading for some time compared to the USD. Yet still paying crazy markup fees.

I am very happy with the PS4 because it was a system designed by gamers and for gamers. The fact that they talked several times about opening up to Indie companies is fantastic. My Steam list is retarded because I see 5-10 dollar games and snag them mostly from Indie companies. Such as SuperGiantGames Bastion **** awesome game get it.) With Sony supporting self published gaming it makes me so hot. (like seriously.)

I do not buy new games, because I hate the markup on them. It is absolutely garbage. 50 dollar games priced at 70 bucks, plus 13% sales tax. A game comes out around a hundred bucks for me. I have not bought a new game for my PS3 in about 4 years, I just wait a few weeks for used games....which makes me a huge consumer of the used game market, which Sony supports (mass applause....I guess thats important....thatll be a meme by morning.)

But really MS is more or less finished, I mean they can back pedal the other stuff away, they can have release day access for their apps for everyone...but they are 100 bucks more expensive, and clearly have less content on release than PS4 will.

Pack a Vita into a PS4 box for Christmas and Im sold.
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#261 Jun 10 2013 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I bet M$ drops the price of the Xbone (maybe not down to $399 though). If this was reversed with Sony in M$'s position, I don't think it could happen, but M$ can drop the price and it won't hurt them as much as it would Sony.
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#263 Jun 10 2013 at 9:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll definitely be thinking about picking up a PS4 and Vita this Christmas season...
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I'll definitely be thinking about picking up a PS4 and Vita this Christmas season...


Ditto I wish I had the money to reserve 1-2 of them Its going to be a Huge Ebay thing I think
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Thank god No creepy baby commercials. This one at least makes sense.
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That guy not bad, but I still miss Kevin Butler.

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Yeah me to I wish he wouldn't have made that tire commercial advertising free Wiis. He was a good spokesman
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Pwnings like Sony just dropped on Microsoft are why the internet exists. That was glorious.
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#269 Jun 10 2013 at 10:19 PM Rating: Excellent
All right everyone, let's start getting bets in for Nintendo's conference tomorrow.

Note: It's only an hour long.
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#270 Jun 10 2013 at 10:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, I don't even know what they would cover that would be worth paying watching... new Zelda or Mario maybe? but I've heard they are not developing new titles for either...

I feel this year, they've sort of painted themselves into a corner. They have the Wii, the Wii U, and the 3DS. The Wii is a solid system, but obviously they're looking to retire it slowly. The DS has some good support, but portable games can be a hard sell at a conference like this and I don't see them announcing new hardware.

That leaves the Wii U. It was meant to be a console that would target both the casual gamers and trying to rope in some hardcore gamers, but neither group is interested. Most of their conference will probably target the casual audience since I feel that needs to be their base, but they're stuck because the ones they were counting on switching the U have no intention of switching. The last 15 mins or so will probably show more hardcore games, possibly Bayonetta 2 gameplay, but I don't get the feeling their hardware is powerful enough to play any of the next-gen games.

Maybe we'll see some trailers for more current-gen ports? Though I've heard none of them have turned out very good so far.



Also, this just made me realize how little Sony put into showing off the Vita at their conference.

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Nintendo has the new Zelda coming to the 3DS, the Zelda that was promised for the WiiU, and the Windwaker port. Hopefully there will be a new Metroid as well. There's only so much you can do with Mario before people stop caring and just pull money out of their pockets without even having to hear what it's about. Another Mario Kart would be good, but I'm afraid of how they'll try and integrate the second screen. Aside from a new IP, I can't think of anything else they could announce that I would care about. Is it time for a new 3DS already? When was the 3DSXL released?


I missed the last half of the presentation. Did they really announce that ESO is coming to the PS4?

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#272 Jun 10 2013 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
Not only coming to, but PS4 owners will be getting exclusive access to the beta (apparently the PC closed beta has started, but is behind NDA).
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#273 Jun 10 2013 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
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This might be the funniest thing I've ever seen. So sweet to see Sony get the upper hand back
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ESO will be on the PS4, that is correct.

Oh, I bet we'll see a new Super Smash Brothers, forgot about that IP.

Well, what could Nintendo do to regain interest in the system?
I don't own a Wii U, so maybe this already is a feature, but I think the first thing they could do to (slightly) draw my attention to the system would be to announce all NES and SNES titles will be available for the system through downloading.

JRPGs tend to be lower on the hardware requirements, so that could be another thing they might announce.

Designing for the Wii U seems to be like designing for the 360 when developers just want to move onto the PS4... not to mention the audience is so small, it might not even be profitable to make a game for the system.
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Not only coming to, but PS4 owners will be getting exclusive access to the beta (apparently the PC closed beta has started, but is behind NDA).


I really, really want to give that game a fair chance, but it seems like they're doing everything they can possibly imagine to destroy all ties to the actual series and simply cash in on the name.
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#277 Jun 11 2013 at 12:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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sh*t I was planning on NOT buying a console this generation... Sony really upped their game though!

Nintendo may talk about pokemon - that's coming out this fall, yeah we already know about it, but I bet it comes up. And yeah there is a new zelda in development for 3DS as well as a remake of A Link To the Past also on 3DS as well as Majora's Mask remake for 3DS iirc

They already have a lot of their Nintendo/Supernintendo/N64 games on the eshop - not sure if wii u also gets gamecube games - but wii gets all the aforementioned and wii u does too.

3DS also has nintendo/gameboy/gameboy colour on the eshop. Ambassadors got some GBA games, but so far none have been for sale yet. They may announce GBA games coming to the 3DS.

(sure frigging hope so, I really want them on my **** 3DS already)

TBH I think nintendo just better thank their lucky stars they have the best portable console out currently in this generation (technically speaking VITA is better but there still isn't a big enough library for it, and it is not at all cost competitive)



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Historically Nintendo has always had the upper hand in the handheld market despite usually having a technically system. They just totally dominate on games and price.
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Man, I'm really annoyed that I have to go to bed so early for work. I stayed up way later than normal, and I'm dead today.

Of course, I was so excited about DAI and KH3 that it took forever to fall asleep.

They're also going into this generation with REALLY strong MMO offerings. Dust 514, ESO, FFXIV.

Sony really, REALLY brought it at this conference. Literally every major critique of Microsoft, they had the gamer-friendly party line. They had great exclusive announcements (ESO is actually an awesome endorsement of them on Bethesda's part, following the Skyrim SNAFU). It's a powerful system, launching at a consumer-friendly price point. Access is superior to the X-Bone (No DRM, may access streaming services without PSPlus). They're launching Indie-friendly initiatives, which is huge.

And their Vita-interlink options are just more interesting than the 360s Tablet support, as of right now. Stream PS4 games to a Vita? Hells yes.

It also effectively slaps the WiiU in the face. Not that they were a major competitor, but this console cycle was much, much quicker in slapping down the Nintendo controller gimmick than it was in the last cycle.


I was NOT planning on getting a console. At all. The minute they announced KH3, that became... far more likely. Everything else is just delicious, delicious icing on an awesome-looking cake.

I am a happy gamer this morning.

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Nintendo definitely has a firm grasp on handhelds. They just own way too many extremely popular mobile IPs. Pokemon alone is a huge one. Fire Emblem is noteworthy.

It doesn't help that the tech differences mean no cross-platform support, in general.

That said, I feel like next year's E3 is when Sony is going to seriously start demonstrating the next-gen power of the Vita as part of a cohesive PS4 system. It's a concept they started with the PSP, but it's never been anywhere near this extensive before. And if they can sell a ton of PS4s over the holidays, and turn around and offer the Vita as a way to make a great system even better, it'll be great for them.

That's also why I feel like they were hesitant to plug the Vita too hard at this event. If they get people super excited to buy a PS4 without regards to the Vita, it gives them a much more powerful position to really sell the pair later. You don't want people going in to it thinking they'll need both to have a great experience.

I'm also imagining that they'll start selling Vita/PS4 bundles at some point.

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I wonder how much Microsoft can adjust direction. Back off on some of the DRM/used game/Online check-in stuff and maybe even shave something off the price.

I know the forums are buzzing with how MS is so hurt, etc but I doubt most people (even most console players) are watching E3 or will be thinking about it come release time.
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I guess it really depends on how far along with production they are with production. Considering this was mostly an unveiling, they could probably turn most of it around but it'll still cost them a penny or two.
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I guess it really depends on how far along with production they are with production.

Also how much makin' stuff they've done with makin' stuff.
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Probably not, but Microsoft is going to need to change direction fast to counter the flow of news/marketing. Because there's a lot of room for really aggressive advertising on Sony's part here. Their product launch, at this stage, is just so much stronger.

Assuming they can keep control of their momentum, and start (and manage) the drive for holiday gift guides, tech reviews, etc., they're going to be in a REALLY strong place this holiday season.

E3 is realistically more of a press event than anything else. I know gaming culture doesn't really treat it that way, but it is. Two of the top-five articles on Forbes right now are about the PS4. Many, MANY people outside of the gamer population were watching E3 yesterday. Microsoft's stock fell when they released their price point (which is above what analysts were predicting). That's never something you want to see following a major press presentation. This was an event purely to drive hype and excitement.

Now, the news is about how they failed to whelm audiences, and not about their product. That has a far larger reach overall than the gaming-specific information.

Side news that will still probably be welcome to some people: Kotaku is reporting that the PS4 is region-free. Smiley: nod

Also worth noting: people I'm friends with on Facebook, who I had no clue played video games at all, and even now bet they aren't major consumers of gaming news at all, are coming out of the woodwork to express their excitement for the PS4 (KH3 in particular). Because they're hearing about it over social media, and going to check it out. Between Tumblr, Twitter, and Facebook, it's a pretty wide reach.
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How will Microsoft 'fix' the problems with the XBox One?

Everyone say it with me.

With a downloadable firmware update.
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Many, MANY people outside of the gamer population were watching E3 yesterday. Microsoft's stock fell when they released their price point (which is above what analysts were predicting).

Well, investors would be interested, sure. This is part of their bread & butter.

At the risk of "How could Nixon have won; no one I know voted for him", I haven't seen any interest in E3, PS4's or Xboxes outside the Games subforums of places I go to. I can't help but suspect that, provided MS can get rid of some of the most egregious issues, purchasing decisions will largely shake down to exclusives and "what system do my friends have"?

If anything, I'm most surprised more effort wasn't made towards backward compatibility. Knowing your new console will let you play Madden or Black Ops with your friends on their old console (waiting for them to upgrade) would likely do more to influence sales than a thousand E3 events.
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I wonder how much Microsoft can adjust direction. Back off on some of the DRM/used game/Online check-in stuff and maybe even shave something off the price.

I know the forums are buzzing with how MS is so hurt, etc but I doubt most people (even most console players) are watching E3 or will be thinking about it come release time.
If they didn't require the Kinect, and offered a Kinect-less package at $399, that could work. Of course, then nobody would buy the one with the Kinect.
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I know the forums are buzzing with how MS is so hurt, etc but I doubt most people (even most console players) are watching E3 or will be thinking about it come release time.


Even less than could be (at least for now), because if the rumors are true, MS successfully stopped anyone but MS/EA from being aired Live on Television. While not a permanent block of news getting out, I would think that more people would have tuned in if they could have just turned their TV to Spike at 9PM EST and watch the announcements from Sony than those willing to stay up at their computer (or in my case, scavenge all my drawers in my house to find my Mini-HDMI to HMDI adapter to connect my PC to my TV and get the audio working correctly).
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Yeah, you're more likely to buy what your friends have. And maybe that's the only deciding factor for you.

But all those webs of friends have someone who bought theirs first. And those people are likely to have done some research on what the pros/cons of each system were (unless they bought it for a specific IP, or because they were always going to buy <insert company>). These webs carry all the way back to the earliest adopters, though. And the people who stand in line on launch day are certainly tuned into the gaming press.

A strong launch is a huge factor in the continued success of a product. And the press (gaming, business, or otherwise) is a massive factor in a strong launch.

This doesn't mean Microsoft can't recover. It just means they need to act fast if they don't want to be playing catch-up with Sony for the next 3 years.

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Even if they didn't block television access, getting the morning slot and forcing Sony into a night spot was always going to help their position.

Of course, it might have been better for them to have the night spot in the end... It probably would have hurt less if the internet was slightly more asleep.

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Forbes is making a good point about the whole ordeal. Essentially, regarding Microsoft's amazing ability to **** everyone off.

After the original announcement, the gaming sector was **** but the business center was excited by the one-in-every-home prospect. Granted, their stock still dipped 9%, but it would have been WAY worse without their broadened reach.

Now, they've managed to do relatively little to truly assuage gamer's fears. Sure, there are great games, but all the initial policies that **** gamers off are still in place.

Except now, they are pushing potential business-sector investors away with the price point. $500 is not a one-in-every-home kind of cost. The absolute max was seen as $399, with even lower being considered highly likely. Some were predicting Microsoft selling them at a loss, so they could make it up through other profits (targeted advertising based on your television habits, perhaps). No one but serious gamers are going to buy it at that price, and serious gamers are the demographic most irritated with Microsoft right now.

And serious gamers are not all that likely to really want one, as things stand now.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

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And the people who stand in line on launch day are certainly tuned into the gaming press.
Or they're there knowing the last few system releases were limited and can turn additional purchases into decent profit by reselling on ebay.
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And the people who stand in line on launch day are certainly tuned into the gaming press.
Or they're there knowing the last few system releases were limited and can turn additional purchases into decent profit by reselling on ebay.


I would wager that makes them even more likely to be tuned into the news. Anyone who is going to drop .5-3 grand on equipment is going to be balancing that against potential profits.
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But all those webs of friends have someone who bought theirs first.

Or whose mom bought it. And who probably listened to the kid at Best Buy far more than she listened to E3.

Does Best Buy have salesmen incentives for moving $499 consoles?

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of some of these demographics. Well, provided it was in a nice, neat USA Today style infographic. I wouldn't want to put any work into it. But I've noticed you and I approach this differently; you thinking of the 20-something game consumer waiting outside Best Buy for a launch event, me thinking of the age 8-16 consumer who is getting this stuff because his parents bought it for him.
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And the people who stand in line on launch day are certainly tuned into the gaming press.
You don't have to be "tuned into the gaming press" to know that the new version of something you own and like is coming out.
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But all those webs of friends have someone who bought theirs first.

Or whose mom bought it. And who probably listened to the kid at Best Buy far more than she listened to E3.

Does Best Buy have salesmen incentives for moving $499 consoles?

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of some of these demographics. Well, provided it was in a nice, neat USA Today style infographic. I wouldn't want to put any work into it. But I've noticed you and I approach this differently; you thinking of the 20-something game consumer waiting outside Best Buy for a launch event, me thinking of the age 8-16 consumer who is getting this stuff because his parents bought it for him.


Yeah, I bet a lot of moms will be buying the console.

I'm also willing to bet that the majority of those moms are buying it because their kids were begging for it. And kids are definitely tuned into gaming news now. The mechanism are different, and the tech information isn't going to matter (at least for the younger ones), but Sony has some strong IPs that younger gamers would be interested in.

Plus, kids are GOING to see all this anti-xbox meme stuff. A lot of kids (say, 10 and above) use Twitter. Go to Reddit. Are on Xbox Live. Etc.

They're going to hear about this, and it's going to influence their decisions regarding which console to beg for.

And even if they want the X-Bone, if they can bargain with Mom to at least get the console that's $100 cheaper, they will.
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Does Best Buy have salesmen incentives for moving $499 consoles?



Not likely unless they have some deal with microsoft. There's very little money to made in retail from consoles. At least I couldn't get jack **** of a discount on consoles when I worked there back in the day.

Speaking of deals with microsoft, I was very surprised when I went to gamestop to get some PS3 games and the guy working there wouldnt stop talking about the new xbox. From what I understand, gamestop stands to lose a lot of money from what microsoft is doing, right?
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Go to the Gamestop Facebook page and look at their pre-order announcement for the X-Bone. The comments are gold.

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Also gold.

Edited, Jun 11th 2013 10:55am by idiggory
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And kids are definitely tuned into gaming news now.

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Does Best Buy have salesmen incentives for moving $499 consoles?
Not likely unless they have some deal with microsoft. There's very little money to made in retail from consoles. At least I couldn't get jack sh*t of a discount on consoles when I worked there back in the day.

I meant more generally for the departments. I suppose they're trying to push $70 HDMI cables on me for a reason.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I would wager that makes them even more likely to be tuned into the news.
There's a thriving market of lazy neckbeard technophiles that'll pay good money on day one products. A friend of mine ended up with three "free" WiiUs after sales were finalized for her.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
But all those webs of friends have someone who bought theirs first.

Or whose mom bought it. And who probably listened to the kid at Best Buy far more than she listened to E3.

Does Best Buy have salesmen incentives for moving $499 consoles?
If anything, Best Buy will want them to push the $399 console plus $100 in accessories, because the markup on accessories has massive profit margins. I did a stint at Circuit City, and we were told outright that selling accessories was more important than selling the actual base products. They'd much rather if there's going to be a $500 sale either way, that you make the transaction that has the most accessories.
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