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#302 Jun 19 2013 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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I think MS should still look at expanding their digital services. Keep the shared library for digital content (even though currently it does not sound like they will). Show their customers how good they can actually make the service (and actually make it good) and by the next generation people may realize it was a actually a decent idea, just explained and presented poorly and at a time when customers weren't ready for it. And PS5 will copy them that generation too.
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#303 Jun 19 2013 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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#304 Jun 19 2013 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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#305 Jun 19 2013 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
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#306 Jun 19 2013 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
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Now, now. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until Bit Coins can be used at dozens of online retailers.
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#307 Jun 19 2013 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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Did you guys see that yesterday Gamestop had pulled pre-orders for XBone? That could have something to do with the about-face...

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#308 Jun 19 2013 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Or could have been because Gamestop lost out big time with no used and said well you're not getting shelf space then Online Onry
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#309 Jun 19 2013 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
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But wasn't it already known that Gamestop was one of the authorized retailers that would have done the whole license transferring thing? I just really doubt that Gamestop's opinion was the tipping point in this decision.

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#310 Jun 19 2013 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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/shrug No clue I kinda been busy moving so Im sorta out of the loop (Also been netless ish)
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#311 Jun 19 2013 at 8:41 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
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Now, now. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until Bit Coins can be used at dozens of online retailers.


I just realized that I got that all screwed up, because now my comment says bitcoins isnt useless and says the complete opposite as I had hoped...
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#312 Jun 20 2013 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Don Mattrick's first draft of the Xbox One DRM Removal announcement.
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#313 Jun 20 2013 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think the used game thing was all about getting $7 for a used game from Gamestop. It was about being able to rent a game, being able to loan/burrow games to/from friends. Also I have never traded a game to Gamestop. There is this thing called Ebay where you can actually sell your used games for a fair price... I can usually get around $45 for a newer released used game. Not all of us want to play games on-line for months after we buy it. Some of us play the 10 hours worth of singleplayer content and are done with it.

That is also why I don't buy $60 new releases on steam. I think the most expensive steam games I ever bought was $20. Most of them are between 5 and 15 dollars.
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#315 Jun 20 2013 at 7:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Don't buy an X1 if you plan on getting yourself banned, I guess.

Also, the brunt of that looks to be before they took back their stance on DRM. So, the system could be different with those changes.
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#316 Jun 20 2013 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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I would love to see someone with like 1+k in games get an account ban for something outside their control, That would bring digital rights ownership to courts in a hurry I would think. Also Microsoft is retarded Not even Sony or Valve takes away the games you bought.I think origin does but people only use those for a few games.

I know for a fact if my Steam account was banned I would lawyer up in a minute since I have like 400 games on there.


Edit: Also about not getting yourself banned, Xbox had to blanket unban everyone not to long ago because they found an error in their auto ban software tghey couldnt tell who was banned for real and who was banned mistakenly so they just unbanned everyone

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#317 Jun 20 2013 at 9:16 PM Rating: Good
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I thought it was made clear before the whole turn around thing that even if you were banned from Xbox Live, your discs would still have worked?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/15/major-nelson-takes-xbox-one-questions-says-banned-users-will-a/

The whole "banned from Xbox Live = No games LOL" was another of those bits of misinformation spread around and debunked relatively quickly. Even when the whole 24 hour all digital etc thing existed, being banned would not remove your games.

Edited, Jun 21st 2013 6:05am by TirithRR
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#318 Jun 22 2013 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
Here is the article my Uncle sent me this morning, over the last weekend I was talking to him about ps4 vs Xb1.

I find it all funny. Microsoft must have been so worried about sales to not stick to their guns and give the world a "different" counsel as they so much wanted to.

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#319 Jun 22 2013 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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#320 Jul 27 2013 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory

More details coming out about the systems. Turns out the PS3 really only has around 4.5GB of RAM available to developers, with a tiny bit extra tucked away in a secret location.

With all the back pedaling that MS did with the XBOX One (lowering DRM, allowing Indie self publishing, etc.) and the new details about the systems, there is really no distinct advantage to either side any longer. Beyond the initial hypes and PR disasters, now that things have settled, both are pretty much at the same level.

And until PS+ revenue starts rolling in from the PS4 and Sony upgrades their systems, LIVE is still a more stable and easier to use system than PSN. I can only hope that the PS4's integration into the PSN is much more fluid, and you don't have to 'run' the Store every time you want to browse for deals.
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#321 Jul 27 2013 at 9:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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PS4 is still $100 cheaper. To truly be competitive at launch, I think MSoft needs to release a Kinect-less X1 for ~$429.
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#322 Jul 27 2013 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't call them equal, all things considered. Sure, they have a comparable amount of RAM. But we know far more about the PS4's innards than we do the XBone's.

The price point is a huge advantage for the PS4, as is the initial hype they've already generated. PS4 has generated a ton of pre-orders already, which gives them a much stronger position moving into the next generation for courting exclusive contracts, among other things.

They also haven't announced any details about the self publishing system they have in play. And considering their previous stance on the issue, it's unlikely this has been in development for a while. We know it won't be a launch feature, and we have no clue when it'll be available. If the buyer cares about indie titles, the PS4 is going to be far more attractive at launch. If it's going to take a while for Microsoft to get this feature out there, that issue will be compounded.

It's also worth noting that the PS4 is aesthetically the sleeker device. The XBone is about the side of the massive PS3, with the PS4 being much closer to the size of the PS2.

The integration with the Vita, as it stands now, blows away what Microsoft has mentioned with Smartglass. And they've also announced about as much in way of using your phone/tablet with the system as Microsoft has.

There might be limited backwards compatibility through cloud streaming, which might give you access to any titles you purchased digitally already, as well as open up the PSN store to new users.

After that, it's mostly the TV features vs. the Social Media features. I don't personally care about either and I'm not willing to comment on what gamers would prefer. That said, Microsoft's apparent focus on the former has definitely soured their relationship with the gaming community.

Can the XBone catch up? Probably. But I'm fully expecting a similar slow start scenario like the PS3 had.
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#323 Jul 27 2013 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't even care about the differences in internals, or even about the exclusives. I'm not putting a kinect in my home.
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#325 Jul 27 2013 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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The systems will likely look and play the same...but my wallet will be much happier with the extra hundred bucks when I get a PS4. **** thats 2 new games on day 1 instead of 1.

Edited, Jul 27th 2013 7:18pm by rdmcandie
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#326 Jul 27 2013 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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The same thing will be true that will always be true - the game will look best on the console it was designed and optimized for, and will look slightly worse on the console it was ported onto. There have been exceptions, but that rule has held pretty firmly.

You're not going to see the stuff beneath the hood getting made the most of in anything but exclusives. The vast majority of the games any of us will play next gen will be cross-platform, and they'll look fantastic. But with Sony's design architecture being easier to use this generation, combined with a solid head start at launch, they may end up with more finely tuned games than the XBone has. If you care that much about eeking out slightly better graphics/performance, but it's really not a big deal. The difference isn't going to match up against the content for exclusives.

Now if they'd just bring KH to the ******* PC, I could forgo the console altogether...
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#327 Jul 27 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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The only Xbox exclusive I remotely care about is Halo. PS4 is cheaper, seems to be more indie-conscious, and will get several JRPG I'll want to play over its life. Plus, they have Naughty Dog making exclusives, so there's that.

I'll end up with an X1 after they release one without a Kinect.

The sad thing is that I like a bunch of stuff about my 360 over my PS3 and would love to support Microsoft here, but I just can't. I'm not a big achievement/trophy hunter, but the Xbox way of assigning an overall score with points values on achievements is far more addicting than Sony's trophy system. I like the 360 dashboard, regardless of what other people say. Sure there are ads, but that's how I've found out about a multitude of games and movies I wouldn't have otherwise. It was effective advertising in my case, and I don't mind it. I like the Xbox Live multiplayer experience.

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#328 Jul 29 2013 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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10 questions answered about the PS4 answered.

1. The PS4 has party chat, and you can have up to 2k friends.
2. The PS4 does not support DualShock 3, but it does support move.
3. PSPlus will be required for online multiplayer, NOT required for streaming services, party chat, or free-to-play games. (We knew this...?)
4. It will only be jet black at launch. Apparently the PS3 was "piano black."
5. It's longer than the giant brick, but much thinner, and more square. Definitely more chic.
6. There are plans to support 3D, but it's not going to launch with them.
7. PS4 has 500gb HDD, and you can change it like with the PS3. If it's a true analogy, that means it's not proprietary.
8. If you care about the camera, it looks pretty awesome.
9. YOU CAN CUSTOMIZE YOUR DYNAMIC MENU (home screen). She specifies customizing your layout, managing your downloads, and your social media stuff, straight from that screen. (Sorry, that made me happy).
10. You keep your PS avatar and username from the PS3, and you control your privacy settings.

Stupid youtube...

Edited, Jul 29th 2013 11:04am by idiggory
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#329 Jul 29 2013 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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Nothing about HDD speed. I wonder if I'll end up better off swapping my PS3 HDD into the PS4.
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#330 Jul 29 2013 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly, the pros/cons of each are pretty much balanced. 5400 is slightly slower, 7200 runs slightly hotter.

I'm going to guess it's 7200, but I doubt you'll see a huge performance boost switching to one if it isn't.
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#331 Jul 29 2013 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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#332 Jul 29 2013 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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If you're moving into a download-heavy environment, I'm doubting many console players are going to have the cash ready to dump on the kind of memory you'd need to make a SSD worth it.
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#333 Jul 29 2013 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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I have one of those Seagate Momentus XT or whatever hybrid drives in my PS3. I think it's 7200 RPM. I have no idea if it's a gain over a normal 7200 RPM drive in a console.
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#334 Jul 29 2013 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, well a hybrid has an SSD section. The actual HDD portion of the drive will perform about the same as 5400 rpm drive (we're talking MAYBE 1 second off load times, which will technically save you a lot of time in the long run, but it's not time you'll notice).

But a SSD will have a much higher impact. They're just really freaking expensive. If you can decide what to install to which portion (as in, put the OS on the SSD), I'd be surprised if it wasn't a decent quality of life improvement. If you have the space, your priority installs could go there, too.
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#335 Jul 29 2013 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
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SSDs aren't nearly as expensive as they used to be. You can get a 256gig for less than $150.00 when they're on sale, which is pretty regularly. That's still a fair chunk more than a similarly sized rotational drive, but if you want the speed, you have to be willing to spend a little more.
#336 Jul 30 2013 at 6:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'm more concerned about the space, to be honest. It's not such a big deal now, since most people still use physical copies, but as we move into an increasingly digital age, losing that much space on your drive hurts.

In the context of a laptop or a game console, I'd go with a 1 TB 5400 HDD over a 256 GB SSD.
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