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Honestly I hate those install issues on a console. Despise them. I have actually avoided buying games simply because they required an install. If I wanted to install a game, I'd do it on my PC.

I hate this generation of consoles for that. I enjoy the bonuses of being able to patch a game to fix issues or add on to it, but I loath sticking a disk in, excited to play, only to see that lovely window popping up stating that I need to update. It kills the thrill of getting that game home, and I really think that's why I just don't buy as many games. It's annoying, to no end. Seriously, the last time I wanted to play Borderlands 2, I hadn't downloaded the latest updates. I literally just left it on and went to play Minecraft on PC while it updated, then just shut the bloody thing off.

What advantage is there if all you are doing is turning consoles into dumbed down PCs? "Exclusives"? Oh, man, Halo, right? And God of War! **** that man, really. I can find great, deep, expansive experiences on PCs games AND get them cheaper than a console AND use that same rig to do taxes, edit art, play movies (legal and otherwise), play games from pretty much any era and all without having to buy a new special box every few years that constantly whines for updates and comes with garbage peripherals I'd never want in the first place.

The XBox/PS2 generation was an amazing generation full of polished games and solidly built systems. This generation gave us the RRoD, PS3s that were DoA, games that come with day one DLC and are patched more frequently than a twitchy chainsmoker trying to quit. Why am I stuck in that era? Because back then the industry made more of an effort because they had no choice. They couldn't just patch it, and they couldn't add to it. It had to be a complete experience. This generation has given developers an easy out in relying on updates to push down content and patches, and given them a wonderful new recurring revenue stream in the form of DLC map packs and scenarios, some of which look tossed off in a weekend of programming/texturing.

Why am I stuck there? Because it was the last pure generation of consoles the market ever made. Now we have these custom-built PCs that the developer is trying harder and harder to make just an average PC that you pay a lot more for than you really should just to play their games on. I know that, one day, digital content will overtake the physical media. But we aren't there yet, and this isn't the way to do it, and not on this platform.

Honestly, PS4 has my full, undivided attention right now. If the rest of their information is as promising as their game-sharing policy, then **** Microsoft, XBO (very appropriate initials, btw), I'll get a PS4 just to show support that consoles need to stay consoles a while longer.

Well, unless you're willing to go back to the PS2-era level of games, you better get used to install times. Publishers would really rather not get slammed in every review for the fact that their games take 2 minutes to load every time you switch a zone. First to extract a huge amount of data, then to compute/render it.

Installation lets the dev take away a huge chunk of that time. They're obviously going to opt for it.

The benefit of a console is extremely obvious. It's an affordable and convenient way for people who don't (or hell, do) have a lot of computer smarts to play games. Was that really not obvious?

Sure, if you're going to buy a ton of games, the PC is going to be less expensive in the long run. But the PC also requires you to put the bulk of that cash down right away. And if you're always buying new releases, that gap is going to continue.

The benefit of a PC is better graphics, modding, faster load times, and extensive digital sales.

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To be fair, I almost bought a copy of Heavy Rain earlier on an impulse buy. Then again, I didn't go into Gamestop for a sale item. And the only reason I'd buy a copy is because I try to avoid digital releases on my PS3. Partly because I don't like managing my HDD, but mostly because the stupid thing won't download while streaming Netflix.

Edited, Jun 15th 2013 6:46pm by idiggory

Presumably, on the Xbox One, it would have quietly auto-patched itself during some downtime point and been ready for you when you turned it on. Again, much like Steam.

More importantly, my toddler just walked into the room singing "Short Change Hero". True story.

Edited, Jun 15th 2013 5:52pm by Jophiel

I launched a Kerbal into orbit, to have it fall out of orbit moments later... true story. Didn't quite reach the Moon or Mun, what ever they call it.

If they cut out the advantages of console playing why bother with the console in the first place. If it's just going to be like the steam (well looks like it'll be worse then it) I might as well take the same or near the same amount of money and build a mid range gaming PC built to what I want and can afford with the option of upgrading it when cash or good deals permit. Then if something goes wrong with it I could fix it my self or go down the road to a PC repair shop and have it back in 2 to 3 days or a week at most. Even the Xbox exclusives are not a great selling point either when many make their way to the PC market anyway and the ones that don't oh well plenty of games on steam to make up for it.

I understand they are going after the non-gamer market but it really does nothing that you can't already do with devices you already own and they do it better. A $10 vga/DVI to HDMI adapter can put netflex hulu and everything else on a TV and any surround sound system can easily be connected to a PC. This doesn't seem any harder then running everything though a xbone. Then the whole voice and motion control seem to annoying and could present problems like others have mention(two years olds, prick friends) and if you lose your remote often enough that it out weighs those then a easier fix would be just attach a tether to the damn thing.

Edited, Jun 15th 2013 7:22pm by RavennofTitan

Also, many new HDTVs come with Apps (and the prices are relatively the same). Hulu Plus and Netflix enabled without the need for a PC or other device.

But, I do think there is something to be said for a platform that a developer doesn't have to worry about the capabilities of the playback devices owned by their customers. A developer makes a game for the PS4, they know exactly what every PS4 player's system will be capable of. Same with Xbox One. Developer makes something for the PC market, combinations through the roof.

(Obviously when we are talking cross platform, that advantage goes out the window).

I had a PS3 for 2 reasons, console only exclusives/releases(e.g. Suda 51 games, Bayonetta, Tales of, Final Fantasy) and because unlike Pc games tend to crash alot less. Tomb raider on Steam reminded me of this recently, It keeps crashing randomly (I updated everything) I mean I can deal with it but its annoying. Like someone said it give developers know what every piece is going to be so they can program every copy of a game to run the same, wheres in PC you have pieces from everywhere tossed into a machine and you kinda just have to guesstimate and hope it works on everything.

Well, all the PC gaming I do is from my laptop. That wasn't really a realistic endeavor until recently. I don't know when my laptop's capabilities will no longer cut it. For now, it's perfectly acceptable on literally anything I've tried.

I'd definitely like to build a rig at the earliest point that's convenient. But when I was a student, and Sony unveiled the PS3 Slim, I had a much better chance of gaming with that. For one, because I needed the laptop for school (well, it made my life much, much easier). But also because I didn't have the budget or time to buy most new releases when they came out, so it didn't matter much.

My laptop at that time was more than enough for WoW, but I wasn't going to be doing much more intensive with it.

So, when it came to deciding between a laptop or a gaming console, or a gaming laptop, the choice was obvious.

Plus, the PS3's exclusives were enough to sway me. At least, they were when I thought it would be getting KH3.

Yeah my TV has wifi interwebs and all of those apps. I never use them though. Been meaning to maybe someday, but I have a ridiculous comcast package so it's a bit pointless atm.

Still I think I will build a media box before I buy another silly console, my PS3 is the great collector of dust. Only reason I might fire it up for the first time this year is "Last of Us".

Honestly, I'm just hoping they port FFXIV and KH3 to the PC, which will pretty much eliminate the last of the exclusive series that I care to follow. It's already coming to the X-Bone, dammit, just bring it over.

Unfortunately, those two titles alone are far more effective at pushing me towards a PS4 than I would like..

Hell, today I realized there was a KH 3DS game and the first thing I did was look up prices.

Oh yeah, I do. It took me a while to break that habit with XI/XII, too. Damn MMO combo breakers...

It's a new story, right? Not just a 3D remake of the first one? Because that would do nothing for me.

What Tirith said is correct, it is a bit on the short side.


edit:Been moving all night so im kinda out of it

Edited, Jun 16th 2013 2:17am by BeanX