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#102 Mar 31 2013 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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One part I didn't care for was the bit near the end where you're in the future, looking for Elizabeth and you would get mobbed by those weird mask wearing freaks if you got spotted by that creature with the horns on it's head. The entire game up to that point is pretty much a straight forward fire fight, but you really had to sneak around in that area, which didn't really work for me.

I actually killed the first couple rooms full of them and was grumbling about my dwindling ammo before it occurred to me to sneak past. I didn't find it too hard, just a matter of timing and ducking.


I used the self-perpetuating Crow trap technique to get past the rooms, I also managed to get a couple of the weapon achievements during that trip. Plus the foghorn ******* kept locking onto me no matter how slowly I moved away from the direction he was looking at.
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#103 Mar 31 2013 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
Just tried 1999. Died on first fight right after raffle... The melee fight before you get a gun lol. Then I kept going for a bit and actually did pretty well. I'm not sure it's fun though. I won't be able to try weird things and combos with the difficulty so ratcheted. I might try another play on hard instead just so I can try different things.

Oh but man am I seeing all the clues now. Priest who baptizes you is blind when you see him in the welcome center. Just looking at all the Comstock statues is creepy even. When the Lutece statue morphs from him to her. Oh and did the little girl who's vox is at the Lutecce statue end up in Rapture? Stuff like that is neat.
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#104 Mar 31 2013 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
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Missed 3 recordings and 10ish of the video things, not bad IMO. Probably try to find those on the hard setting and save 1999 mode for DLC.


You can actually replay the chapters on your current save. This would allow you to enjoy the second playthrough without having to do a scavenger hunt in each area.


Been good to know 3 hours ago before I started a new game on hard Smiley: bah Good news is, I've already found 2 things I missed Smiley: tongue

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Just tried 1999. Died on first fight right after raffle... The melee fight before you get a gun lol. Then I kept going for a bit and actually did pretty well. I'm not sure it's fun though. I won't be able to try weird things and combos with the difficulty so ratcheted. I might try another play on hard instead just so I can try different things.

Oh but man am I seeing all the clues now. Priest who baptizes you is blind when you see him in the welcome center. Just looking at all the Comstock statues is creepy even. When the Lutece statue morphs from him to her. Oh and did the little girl who's vox is at the Lutecce statue end up in Rapture? Stuff like that is neat.


Don't feel bad, I almost died there on hard on my 2nd playthrough, got too use to having shields... And yes, plenty of those "Oh **** that makes more sense now" moments on 2nd play through.
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#105 Mar 31 2013 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
Once you get past the first sections, 1999 mode isn't ridiculously hard anymore. It does force me to lean on the golden pistol (lots of Ammo -especially upgraded, decent damage) & machine gun (lots of ammo drops). I've also used the RPG & on this play through, the sniper rifle has become invaluable for large crowd fights in open areas. I dont think I used it on my first play through more than once but got my sniper rifle achievement in the 2nd area I could use it! I'm also using the crow/fire combo a lot too.

The other huge help is the 5 shield/health/vigor potions you get in the bar, as well as the gear, for having the Season Pass. I started at shield 5 & its really helped the deaths.

I thought money would be more of an issue, but since Im going for the achievement of not using the Dollar Bill machines, & because I'm being more meticulous in my searching (I didnt open ANY of the optional electric doors in my first playthrough) it hasn't been much of an issue. I've died a few times, but the only REALLY hard fight I had was the 2nd fireman fight & that was mostly because it respawned you right back in the middle of the area, so there were mobs on both sides of me, including the robot gunner in front of me & the fireman behind.

Granted, I have yet to have to fight a Handyman. Just got to Finktown again... No other changes I've noticed, except Booker's hand isn't bandaged nor is Elizabbeth's dressed ripped cause I pulled the gun on the ticket taker in battleship bay. Interestingly, the mobs didnt aggro until I started shooting so it makes me wonder what would happen if I didnt shoot...
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#106 Mar 31 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Actually I Liked that part(The foghorn guys), I found it super creepy and actually great for atmosphere. I realized after the first room, same as all of you I was low on ammo, after being caught in the middle of all of them. I think I remember them only taking dmg from headshots too. The part after you open the gate where you turn around and one of those dudes is standing right behind you, as you shift over to another dimension made me jump in my seat something fierce.

As for other parts, anyone else find it squicky about the "brother and sister" who are in love with each other but are actually the same person from different dimensions just one a boy and one a girl? I mean in all means and terms it's would be self ************ I guess, but still. I mean Im sort of less bothered with it due to anime, but when its yourself, just makes it weird.

And I wish they wouldnt have put the scene at the end of the credits,I missed it originally had to find out about it seeing if there were multiple endings. It kind of gives the whole ending a good twist because without that scene, it would kind of be a downer ending.


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#107 Mar 31 2013 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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The after credit ending confused the **** out of me. From what I gathered at the end of the game, 99% of the multiverse contains evil douchebag Booker/Comstock, and the 1% is non-baptised Booker. In order to kill all the Comstocks in existence, the 1% Booker had to sacrifice himself during the baptism so the memory of death would affect the 99% Bookers and make them afraid of the baptism and therefore prevent Comstock from being born.

If the 1% Booker died by drowning, who the **** was that at the end of the credits?
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#108 Mar 31 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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As for other parts, anyone else find it squicky about the "brother and sister" who are in love with each other but are actually the same person from different dimensions just one a boy and one a girl? I mean in all means and terms it's would be self ************ I guess, but still. I mean Im sort of less bothered with it due to anime, but when its yourself, just makes it weird.


I get what you're saying, but I think you're looking into it a bit much here. Lutcee(s) was an only child, and managed to make contact with another version that was also an only child and shared the same interests as themselves. Naturally this would lead to common interest bonding, and as mentioned in the game, them acting like twin siblings together. Not once did you see them display affection greater than dancing together.
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#109 Mar 31 2013 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
Speaking of creepy: I am now all kinds of guilty for wanting to shag Elisabeth... \

Also this: What did Elisabeth say to the false prophet?

(Pull my Finger)

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#110 Mar 31 2013 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:

I get what you're saying, but I think you're looking into it a bit much here. Lutcee(s) was an only child, and managed to make contact with another version that was also an only child and shared the same interests as themselves. Naturally this would lead to common interest bonding, and as mentioned in the game, them acting like twin siblings together. Not once did you see them display affection greater than dancing together.


You may have missed a few of their Voxes. Their is about 6-7 of them. The girl definitely wants to be with the boy, I dont remember is the boy has any.
Going to put down the voxes transcripts as spoilers

Brother, what Comstock failed to understand is that our contraption is a window not into prophecy, but probability. But his money means the Lutece Field cannot become the Lutece Tear -- a window between worlds. A window through which you and I might finally be together.

"You have been transfused, brother, into a new reality, but your body rejects the cognitive dissonance through confusion and hemorrhage. But we are together, and I will mend you. For what separates us now, but a single chromosome?"

"Comstock has sabotaged our contraption. Yet, we are not dead. A theory: we are scattered amongst the possibility space. But my brother and I are together, and so, I am content. He is not. The business with the girl lies unresolved. But perhaps there is one who can finish it in our stead."

Asking My wife, she takes it as they want to be "one" not in a romantic way but as the same "being". She watched me play most of it (I played it on our TV). I took how everything was said as shes in love with him. I guess its open to interpretation too.
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#111 Mar 31 2013 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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I heard those voxes, and I remember there was one that said the Lutcee field only allowed them to communicate by vibrating the distortion field into morse code.

I took the first one you quoted as that they could finally meet face to face, sort of like if you and I picked a spot in the RL to meet each other.

The second one meant that they were exactly alike except for their location and gender, the former of which was removed with the opening of the tear.

The third meant that she was content in leaving things as they were after they "died", but the brother wanted to wrap up all unfinished business first.
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#112 Mar 31 2013 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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The after credit ending confused the **** out of me. From what I gathered at the end of the game, 99% of the multiverse contains evil douchebag Booker/Comstock, and the 1% is non-baptised Booker. In order to kill all the Comstocks in existence, the 1% Booker had to sacrifice himself during the baptism so the memory of death would affect the 99% Bookers and make them afraid of the baptism and therefore prevent Comstock from being born.

If the 1% Booker died by drowning, who the **** was that at the end of the credits?

My take on it:

One version of reality had Booker Comstock getting baptized and going on to found Columbia. Another version had Booker DeWitt (same guy but you know...) refusing the baptism and going on to fight at Wounded Knee. Comstock went on to fund Lutece and use her discovery as a means of prophecy. Lutece also discovered that, in an alternate world, DeWitt had returned from Wounded Knee and had a daughter (whose mother died in childbirth).

Comstock, sterile from the Lutece experiments, arranged to have Lutece purchase Anna from DeWitt. DeWitt, being a single father, drunk and gambler, sold Anna to Lutece. To give him some slight credit, he probably rationalized it as Anna getting a better life than he could provide. That Anna became Elizabeth.

At the end, Elizabeth brings Booker to a point immediately following his successful baptism and the multiple Elizabeths drown him. Right before, Booker says they need to smother the infant Comstock in his crib; baptism symbolizing rebirth, Elizabeth 'smothers' Comstock 'in his crib' so to speak by drowning him. The downside here is that YOU are currently in that timeline so you get drowned but you ARE Comstock at that moment. Without the easy out of selling Anna, it's implied that non-baptized Booker DeWitt keeps his daughter and cleans up his act (the gambling forms are gone in the end scene). It's "sad" in that you meet Elizabeth as a fully realized person and now she's completely snuffed from existence but at the same time there was no way for her to become Elizabeth without subjecting her to a fate that she herself calls worse than death. So DeWitt saved his daughter whether he realizes it or not.



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#113 Mar 31 2013 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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One version of reality had Booker Comstock getting baptized and going on to found Columbia. Another version had Booker DeWitt (same guy but you know...) refusing the baptism and going on to fight at Wounded Knee. Comstock went on to fund Lutece and use her discovery as a means of prophecy. Lutece also discovered that, in an alternate world, DeWitt had returned from Wounded Knee and had a daughter (whose mother died in childbirth).


I'm fairly certain Wounded Knee & The Boxcar rebellion happened to all versions of Booker & that the baptism, wether it was refused or not, happened after. Why else would he need to wash away his sins if not for the attrocities he committed? Also, all versions of Booker are slightly racist due to being of Native American decent (mentioned in a Vox) & he overcompensated for it at Wounded Knee by getting the most scalps (also mentioned in a Vox). Of course, only Comstock becomes a supremecist, but still, I found it a bit disheartening.

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Comstock, sterile from the Lutece experiments, arranged to have Lutece purchase Anna from DeWitt. DeWitt, being a single father, drunk and gambler, sold Anna to Lutece. To give him some slight credit, he probably rationalized it as Anna getting a better life than he could provide.


He also changed his mind, causing her pinky loss, which according to a Lutece Vox, is probably why she has powers. "The Universe doesn't like it's peas mixed with it's porridge."

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That Anna became Elizabeth. At the end, Elizabeth brings Booker to a point immediately following his successful baptism and the multiple Elizabeths drown him. Right before, Booker says they need to smother the infant Comstock in his crib; baptism symbolizing rebirth, Elizabeth 'smothers' Comstock 'in his crib' so to speak by drowning him. The downside here is that YOU are currently in that timeline so you get drowned but you ARE Comstock at that moment.


Exactly. Remember the coin flip? THAT symbolizes that Booker had done this many times before. Every universe Booker existed in, before the drowning, Comstock came for his daughter as by making the choice to reject the baptism, he created another universe with a Comstock in it who would eventually come for Dewitt's daughter. Only by smothering Comstock in his crib does he end the cycle.

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Without the easy out of selling Anna, it's implied that non-baptized Booker DeWitt keeps his daughter and cleans up his act (the gambling forms are gone in the end scene). It's "sad" in that you meet Elizabeth as a fully realized person and now she's completely snuffed from existence but at the same time there was no way for her to become Elizabeth without subjecting her to a fate that she herself calls worse than death. So DeWitt saved his daughter whether he realizes it or not.


Didn't notice the lack of gambling papers on the desk, good call. I hope that version of Booker is a little less racist, though.


Edited, Mar 31st 2013 10:36pm by Omegavegeta
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I'm fairly certain Wounded Knee & The Boxcar rebellion happened to all versions of Booker & that the baptism, wether it was refused or not, happened after. Why else would he need to wash away his sins if not for the attrocities he committed?

You could be right. The question of what atrocities led Booker to seek baptism is a valid one though and so maybe I'm wrong about that. But the one military commander (Slate?) ******* long and hard about how Comstock never actually served at Wounded Knee. My guess was that DeWitt served in his timeline and Comstock used the knowledge he had of DeWitt to essentially steal DeWitt's story for his own glory.

A little poking around and the consensus is that Booker-Prime served at Wounded Knee and the baptism was after and I admit it makes sense. Although it doesn't explain the obvious contempt Slate (?) had for Comstock's "service".

The Boxer Rebellion was obviously post baptism. Columbia flies over to China and attacks Peking which is what led to the US condemning Comstock and Columbia seceding from the Union. Also, the story takes place in 1912 and the Boxer Rebellion was in 1901. Elizabeth would be no more than ten if she was born to DeWitt post-Boxer Rebellion. Rather, DeWitt was working as a Pinkerton during that point in time.


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Heh, playing through the ending again Booker says "I was here, right after Wounded Knee" so that certainly answers THAT! Smiley: laugh

Also, I was wrong about his desk. Oops.


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#116 Mar 31 2013 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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Although it doesn't explain the obvious contempt Slate (?) had for Comstock's "service".


He simply doesn't know the Comstock was Dewitt. When Slate hooks up with Comstock, Columbia is built & Comstock is already suffering from exposure to the tears (sterility, advanced aging, but probably not the tumors yet) & Slate simply doesn't recognize him as having ever been Dewitt.

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The Boxer Rebellion was obviously post baptism. Columbia flies over to China and attacks Peking which is what led to the US condemning Comstock and Columbia seceding from the Union. Also, the story takes place in 1912 and the Boxer Rebellion was in 1901. Elizabeth would be no more than ten if she was born to DeWitt post-Boxer Rebellion. Rather, DeWitt was working as a Pinkerton during that point in time.


Throw in the time travel aspect of the tears, & its conceivable that Comstock could have taken Elizabeth from Dewitt closer to 1891 - 1895 & Dewitt fought in the Boxer rebellion after. I don't recall, which sucks cause I just cleared the section, if Slate mentions remembering Dewitt from the Boxer rebellion or not. Dewitt could remember Slate from the Boxer rebellion regardless though,as Dewitt's world's Slate was probably there if he also fought there in Comstock' world.

If Slate does remember Dewitt @ the Boxer rebellion though, you're probably right.
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Also, I was wrong about his desk. Oops.


No happy ending then, just a Dark Tower one.




Edited, Apr 1st 2013 1:10am by Omegavegeta
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#117 Apr 01 2013 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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Did you run into the couple again, or did you get any items from people that were behind your choice?

Yes, you do run into them again.I don't think you get anything from choosing either or

I'm thinking about running the game again choosing the opposite options just to see the changes.



I know you run into them again because I did so, and since I didn't throw at them they gave me a piece of gear. I wanted to see if anyone gave you an item if you did throw at the couple.


So I started over and threw the ball at the couple this time. Instead of the couple appearing outside the arcade door to thank you and give you an item, Fink's henchman appears just inside the arcade door to pass along Fink's complements for your savagery and give you an item. So either way you still get an item.

Funny side note, if you stand around or try to hit/shoot the Lutece's when they appear they'll have different things to say.
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#118 Apr 01 2013 at 7:41 PM Rating: Good
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This game seems to be getting crazy media coverage. Today getting out of work there was a very long segment on the local NPR about it. New articles all over, etc.

So much more than the normal big release.
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#119 Apr 01 2013 at 9:47 PM Rating: Good
This game kind of ruined me for a bit. I realized I don't really feel like replaying just yet. But all my other gaming options seem lackluster now.

So I watched Game of Thrones tonight instead.
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#120 Apr 01 2013 at 10:59 PM Rating: Good
So, Handymen @#%^ing suck on 1999 mode... I pretty much had to avoid him entirely in Finktown while clearing the other mobs, then play get him on the skyhook, shoot him in the chest, & repeat...

For a good 15mins...

Also, for anyone who's beaten it & wants a 2nd helping without replaying, or anyone who has no intention of playing but wonders what all the fuss is about, here's Bioshock: Infinite the movie:


MAJOR SPOILERS, Obviously.



All the CS/Dialogue edited together!

Edited, Apr 2nd 2013 5:23am by Omegavegeta
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#121 Apr 02 2013 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Beat it last night and was pretty impressed overall. This game might be the best single player game I've ever played. The only fault is that the gameplay could have been a little better, i thought the redundant weapons introduced in the 2nd half of the game were kind of pointless (I just upgraded my machine gun, and now you give me the better repeater? cmon...) and melee could have been a little more interactive than just relentlessly pummeling/charging. I also didnt find the vigor skills to be that interesting and only used 3 of them really.

But tbh, i didnt give a ****. I was so engrossed in the world and story telling that i just didnt care what i was using to progress. And i havent been blown away by an ending since bioshock 1, and this was way better than that, even though im still kind of confused about a fair amount.

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Also, for anyone who's beaten it & wants a 2nd helping without replaying, or anyone who has no intention of playing but wonders what all the fuss is about, here's Bioshock: Infinite the movie:

Haha, awesome. When I beat the game I told Flea "I know you'll never play this and I wouldn't try to make you but it's too bad because I think you'd really get into the story" (she was all into Fringe for instance). I should have her watch this instead.
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#123 Apr 02 2013 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Just curious, did anyone else play the guitar in the basement of the bar in Finktown?
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I did, the short cutscene was kind of nice.
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Just curious, did anyone else play the guitar in the basement of the bar in Finktown?

Yup. I was a little let down that I could only play it once.

I guess we DID have a city to escape.
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#126 Apr 03 2013 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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ok so what did the collar/necklace/thingy you picked out for elizabeth have to do with anything?
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