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#802 Nov 30 2011 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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Likibiki wrote:
Ok, so I am level 18, and I am now finding myself struggling to find motivation to play the game. I haven't played since Saturday.

I think Skyrim might actually be too big for my liking. And I'm already aware that I'm a bit disinterested.

Oblivion, I had the same sort of issue with, but that was due to the humongous load times for EVERYTHING. Skyrim doesn't have the same problem...

I will persevere, but I don't think this game's for me :(


What have you been doing? If you are finding the game too big, then try focusing on just major quest lines.
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I find the game huge as well, and I try to focus on the major quest lines and oooh butterfly.
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In line with what has been said, focusing on Achievements might also be a good direction to take.
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I got a little tired of it myself, but I find that it's due to the tremendous amount of consecutive hours that I had been playing it. I'm taking a break, and it'll be all fresh and exciting again when I return from flying crashing helicopters in BF3.
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I got a little tired of it myself, but I find that it's due to the tremendous amount of consecutive hours that I had been playing it.
Pretty much this. Fortunately though, since it's almost impossible to complete everything, when I return to the game, it'll be like a whole new adventure.
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Likibiki wrote:
Ok, so I am level 18, and I am now finding myself struggling to find motivation to play the game. I haven't played since Saturday.

I think Skyrim might actually be too big for my liking. And I'm already aware that I'm a bit disinterested.

Oblivion, I had the same sort of issue with, but that was due to the humongous load times for EVERYTHING. Skyrim doesn't have the same problem...

I will persevere, but I don't think this game's for me :(

I have a friend who was the exact same way at first. I tended toward this side too (I completely one town in Oblivion, then the main quest, and never touched it again), but you'd be surprised how it can suck you in. Both of us have put over 70 hours in, and are debating/have already made new characters to try them out.

But sandbox-style RPGs aren't for everyone. I definitely found myself missing a lot of things from Dragon Age while playing.
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welp, beat the main quest tonight, it was pretty awesome. afterwards i sorta did a victory lap to check in with the major players, some were aware of the epic world-saving i'd just accomplished, others... not so much.

so after i check in with whiterun, the jarl goes back to sleep, and there's that unusual gem right in front of his face.... i grabbed it. fast travelled to find delphine... no lydia. fast travelled to riverwood... no lydia.

as i'm walking towards the riverwood trader, a thief comes flying out of the alley from gerdur's house. the ******* didn't stop so i killed him. it's 1:30am and a clear night so i decide to wait for the trader to open 1 hour at a time so i can watch the stars change. at 4:30am three hired thugs jump me. their contract reads, "find an orc who answers to herxheim. nobody steals from me! - bandit"

after dumping my crap at the trader, i head outside and there's still no lydia, but there is an elder dragon. i haven't been here 10 hours and now the streets are littered with corpses.

still no sign of my housecarl and i'm getting worried so i open console -> teleport to lydia -> she's in a whiterun jail cell with a dead bandit. lol. that's a prize dame, taking the heat for the unusual gem. this is the second time this has happened, not so long before she was imprisoned by some frost astronachs waaaay up north. i busted her out again and headed up to solitude.

on the way in, one of the guards says, "i heard you released a dragon from dragonreach. why would you do that?" i stared at him for a couple seconds and he followed up with, "what do you want, bard?" that's more like it.

after very cool receptions in solitude and windhelm my hotcarl and i head home. i might have saved the world tonight but there's still a lot of **** that needs fixed.
#811 Dec 01 2011 at 12:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I broke down and used console commands to supply myself with materials to cap alchemy today. After doing smithing and enchanting -> 100 the legit way, half an hour of pouring through my substantial supply of alchemy mats for a measily 22 points to the skill made it awfully clear that if I wanted capped alchemy before Christmas, console commands were my best bet.

Now I've got a Daedric Bow (Legendary) with base damage (including archery perks) of 198 >:D A giant slumped over after a single arrow to the kidney. I won't get the raw destructive power of a fully augmented 1h backstab, but I expect most quests will go rather quickly nonetheless. This is my second character and I still haven't cleared the main quest beyond the events at the Greybeard place, so it'll be nice to set aside the grinding and push through the more interesting stuff.
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After repeated attempts to fix a Mage College quest that broke on me, and unsuccessfully trying to initiate the quest that lets me purchase the house in Wildhelm a dozen times or so, and randomly drawing the bloody, ferverent hatred of all the guards in Markath for reasons completely unknown, I restarted last night. I wanted to wait until after the patch, so the timing was perfect. I was planning to change it up and roll with a different race and different play-style (maybe a sneaky stabby/shooty Dunmer, or a full-on Brenton destruction mage), but in the end, I settled on basically re-creating my original character down to the eyebrows: my sturdy, reliable Redguard sword-n-boarder.

However, after having the benefit of ~40 hours of gameplay already under my belt, I already knew what perks I would be taking (and which ones to avoid wasting points in), and knew that I would be best served to skill up in Smithing and Enchanting as I went along instead of trying to powerlevel them later. I also wanted to pick up some of the side quests that I missed the first time around.

Not gonna lie, I'm glad I did it. The new start experience hasn't changed a bit, and it was evident as I ran from Riverwood to Whiterun for the first time again. Coming down the hill from the south and seeing Whiterun for the first time, all lit up at dusk, I still got that same feeling of "Wow, that looks freaking gorgeous."

Now if only dragons would stop flying backwards.

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If anyone's in the mood for some reading, Tom Bissell put up a great article on Grantland.com (I didn't know he was writing for them!) about the dialogue in Skyrim.

I highly recommend giving it a look.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7290527/one-night-skyrim-makes-strong-man-crumble
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#814 Dec 01 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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ES games are really odd--they can have really, really, REALLY obvious flaws, but still be amazing.
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#815 Dec 01 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Not gonna lie, I'm glad I did it.

That may change when you hit character #7 or #8.

I have real problems with that. I reach a point in the game where there is something that I want to do but I can't "justify" my current character doing it but I still want to experience it so I end up creating another character to go that path.
It's things like my main character, who is a sneaky archer mostly, can't do the full mage's college quest line because he's not a mage. He can't do the companion stuff because they are all about running into places and smashing faces so no sneaking. He's a "good guy" so he can't do thieves guild or dark brotherhood. Next I created a caster so she could do the college but the companions don't like magic and I didn't want her to be "bad" so I can't use her for either of the other two so that means making another character. Companions are all about Truth, Justice, and the American Skyrimian Way so the character I'm doing the companion quest line can't do Thieves Guild of Dark Brotherhood either. Finally I made a character that is a thief so I can do the thieves guild and said "F' it!" and made him my assassin too.

That doesn't even touch on the main quest line so I ended up having to create a Nord to be a storm cloak and an Imperial to be part of the legion.

Too many options for someone like me to handle so now I am stuck doing many quests over and over again between the assorted characters I've created.

Edited, Dec 1st 2011 12:25pm by MrTalos
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I know when I end up starting over again I won't play too differently. I may put more focus on light armor instead of heavy, but I'll still be sniping things overall.
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I role-play HARDCORE.

Methinks you're too rigid in your character archetypes. My character is a face-smashing brute, but I can justify working through the Mage College quests because magic is powerful, and my character seeks to obtain power through any means. Also, I just want to experience all the content the game has to offer without climbing up to High Hrothgar over and over.

Have you ever been tested for OCD? Smiley: dubious

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Demea wrote:
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I role-play HARDCORE.

Methinks you're too rigid in your character archetypes. My character is a face-smashing brute, but I can justify working through the Mage College quests because magic is powerful, and my character seeks to obtain power through any means. Also, I just want to experience all the content the game has to offer without climbing up to High Hrothgar over and over.

Have you ever been tested for OCD? Smiley: dubious


I think I'm more in camp with the former. I'm probably just sticking to the Thieves Guild this play-through. Might even just do one Guild for each subsequent play-through, too. I think the idea of ascending through the ranks in a whole bunch of wildly different groups just seems immersion-killing to me. My character would be wearing too man hats.

I kinda like the idea of being able to get, say, 3-4 almost different games out of Skyrim. Different character look, different play styles, different skills, different homes, and different quests.

PS: Did anyone read the article I linked?
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If anyone's in the mood for some reading, Tom Bissell put up a great article on Grantland.com (I didn't know he was writing for them!) about the dialogue in Skyrim.

I highly recommend giving it a look.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7290527/one-night-skyrim-makes-strong-man-crumble

Good reading, but I actually don't think the conversations go far enough. Again, one of the things I liked most about Dragon Age was the great character interaction, relationship-building, and background you get, at least with your closest companions. If Lydia had 1/20th of the lines that Morrigan did, I'd be ecstatic. Instead I just get her sarcastic "I am sworn to carry your burdens" comment, and the occasional "I have a bad feeling about this" warning before a boss fight. I'd love if Companions had a story you could dive into; needing to go back to their hometown, track down some bandits who killed their family, retake a shop that a thieving rival stole.

My main complaint with Skyrim would be that the companion and marriage aspects aren't as good as I had hoped they would be. It might seem odd, thinking of all the other issues people have (bugs, lag, etc), but I feel that those two aspects needed a lot more fleshing out. Allow me to make-an-ES for a second...

Companions:
1. First, allow collision with a companion to move them out of the way. It gets annoying having to try and leap into the upper corner of a doorframe to get out of a room when someone's in the way.
2. Introduce a "friendship" system similar to DA:O. You can have a companion carry an item... or give it to them as a gift. If it's something they'd equip, they'll do so and get a favor bonus. At certain levels of friendship, they offer personalized quests.
3. You can also converse with your companion about events and their history. Gives them a chance to talk some more, and maybe they mention a lost heirloom or something you can go find.

Marriage:
1. Can your spouse please do something more than just cook and/or pay some profits? Anything!? Heck, I have several ideas:
A. Throw parties. You host a party in your house to rub elbows with people in the town. Gives a good chance to pickpocket the guests, learn gossip, or accept quests.
B. If your spouse has a shop, be able to invest (with the proper Speech perks), and start a chain to buyout any competition. Would blend wonderfully with the Thieves Guild.
C. Offer more than just food. Sure, it gives a skill learning buff, but I think it would be awesome to let your spouse be something like a portable crafter. Give them all your +crafting skill gear, and ask them to make potions/equipment/enchants. Depending on the value of the ingredients, let it take more time (ie, a week to make a Daedric Sword, but only half a day to make an iron dagger). Base their skill and perks off what your character knows. Basically set them up as an autonomous crafting bot. I would LOVE to come back from a dungeon dive to have my wife waiting with 10 new healing potions.
2. Similar to a companion, make a love meter. This could increase the rate of crafting, allow more items to be crafted, or unlock new quests.
3. Let your spouse travel with you as well (can this happen already? I don't think it can). Allows you to have one more companion on your travels.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the NPCs lack much personality and the companions are really underutilized. Maybe some DLC or something will fix it later?

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Have you ever been tested for OCD? Smiley: dubious

Not sure if you are joking or not but I have indeed been diagnosed with OCD and that makes games like this a nightmare at times. I don't even consider myself a role player much at all.
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So I finally finished off the Dark Brotherhood quests the other night.

I actually felt bad after talking with the Emperor that I had to kill him. So I opted to kill the dude who ordered the contract. I gave Babette and Nazir a nice new home full of fancy things and then looted all the **** I wanted and left it alone.

I've been lucky so far that even after 80 plus hours of playing I haven't gotten sick of it. I've been taking a day or two off in between intense gaming sessions and its been wonderful. I'm thinking tonight I'll work on the main quest line, I'm at the part where I go look for the elder scroll. I think after that it's going to be on to starting a new character that is either s&b or pure berserker style with dual wielding and hide armor! I'm assuming the second time around I won't be so hasty with my perk points either.
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I just gave Lydia 70 ore. When I went to retrieve them, she didn't have them.

FFFFFUUUUUU-
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I just gave Lydia 70 ore. When I went to retrieve them, she didn't have them.

FFFFFUUUUUU-


I store all of my goodies in my house, since that's the only place where it's guaranteed not to go missing (barring a bug of some sort). If it was iron ore, it's fairly cheap to replace. You can buy it from any blacksmith/general goods NPC for 6-8g each. They don't restock in large quantities but if you're using it to skill blacksmithing and enchanting, you'll easily make your gold back and then some.
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I gave it to her because I ran out of inventory space in the middle of a dungeon (that I meandered into when I shouldn't have, since my bags were really, really full). Went straight to my house afterwards and it was gone.
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New glitch since the patch--Lydia has turned into a naturalist.

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Errr, naturist. Proof that it's bedtime.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 3:02am by idiggory
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Marriage:
1. Can your spouse please do something more than just cook and/or pay some profits? Anything!? Heck, I have several ideas:
A. Throw parties. You host a party in your house to rub elbows with people in the town. Gives a good chance to pickpocket the guests, learn gossip, or accept quests.
B. If your spouse has a shop, be able to invest (with the proper Speech perks), and start a chain to buyout any competition. Would blend wonderfully with the Thieves Guild.
Reminded me of my favorite Oblivion mod- you bought someone's store then turned it into your own general store. From there, you could place items up for sale. Your speechskill and furnishings (that could be bought/upgraded) determining the chance of items being sold and the value they were sold at.
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Yesterday before leaving work I bought the 12,000 Windhelm house for 8,000. Today I get to spend decorating it.

I'm going all ***** Eye for the Adventurer up in here.
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I just hit the 25k required for the house in Solitude. Worth it?

I'm trying to figure out where I want my base of operations to be. Solitude is probably the coolest city that I've seen (I've been to all but maybe 2 or 3 of the main ones), though I do also like that one to the way northeast that seems to be in a perpetual state of blizzard.

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Is there anywhere where you can get an enchanting table in your house? Because that would be the best.
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Windhelm has enchanting and alchemy tables.

And buggy bookcases. Smiley: motz

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Windhelm has enchanting and alchemy tables.

And buggy bookcases. Smiley: motz

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Enchanting tables are a plus. As are nearby smithing stuffs, as I'm probably going to finally start doing something with that.
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Note: Found going three to four books at a time keeps the bedroom bookcase from breaking. So yay to that.
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Windhelm has enchanting and alchemy tables.

And buggy bookcases. Smiley: motz

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Note: Found going three to four books at a time keeps the bedroom bookcase from breaking. So yay to that.


My Whiterun house has buggy bookcases (and I can't use the weapon racks anymore).

I found that, as long as I count out the number of books and don't go over the case's maximum, everything is fine.
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Both the Windhelm and Solitude houses can be upgraded to include an arcane enchanter and an alchemy lab.

Proudspire Manor (Solitude) is by far the biggest house available (three floors total), but there aren't nearly as many display cases, weapon plaques, and mannequins to show off your spoils as there are in Hjelmir (Windhelm). I prefer the latter, myself.
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Both the Windhelm and Solitude houses can be upgraded to include an arcane enchanter and an alchemy lab.

Proudspire Manor (Solitude) is by far the biggest house available (three floors total), but there aren't nearly as many display cases, weapon plaques, and mannequins to show off your spoils as there are in Hjelmir (Windhelm). I prefer the latter, myself.

Is it possible to get both of those houses or are they related to which side you choose in the war?
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You can get both, but you'll need to end the civil war. You'll gain access once the new jarl is put in place..
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All of the houses (the purchased kind!) other than Whiterun have Enchanting and Alchemy stations really. Whiterun has Lydia instead. =X

Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 3:16pm by Ravashack
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Quick questions to those that have completed the game. Once you finish off the big-bad and complete the main story quest chain, do dragons still have random spawns and keep trying to take on Shadowmere to regain the previous dragon's honor? I have been avoiding the main quest like the plague but if I have a chance to put weapons on display and stuff like that I will certainly work my way through it till I get that chance.
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Yeah, dragons will randomly spawn forever.
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Ravashack wrote:
All of the houses (the purchased kind!) other than Whiterun have Enchanting and Alchemy stations really.

Sure, but who wants to live in Riften?
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If I purchase a new house, do I still get to keep the one in Whiterun?
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If I purchase a new house, do I still get to keep the one in Whiterun?
Sure do. You can own all the houses in the game at once, if you so please.
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How many mannequins does Windhelm have?

I love having Proud Spire for the fact it's the most amazing man cave/basement ever. I've got all my **** on display!

I wish though we could get display cases, I'd like to display the dragon claw keys I have but everytime i walk back in they're strewn across the floor.
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Three mannequins.
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How many mannequins does Windhelm have?

From this wiki page:

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5 Weapon Wall Plaques
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Hmmm, it would seem windhelm is way better than solitude. I just hate the town for some reason, I don't know what it is.
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i hear the solitude house has a huge empty basement which modders are salivating over.

ulfir's book was pretty hilarious. i also think kolb and the dragon and the locked room are pretty good, pick 'em up if you see them.
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