Overlord Theophany wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Because Windows 7 benchmarks better on Apple hardware than 90% of the "actual" PCs? Basically until you get a laptop up to a similar price range as a 13" MacBook Air or a MacBook Pro.
Wait, so Windows 7 benchmarks worse on worse hardware and it doesn't pull even until you reach hardware at the same cost?! I am shocked!
You do realize that Windows is designed to work on all ranges of hardware, and that Microsoft doesn't even produce hardware of their own, right? It's not like there's a standard definition of a "PC" like there is with Macs. Of course it benchmarks well on a MacBook, it's designed to run on everything
. Saying "oh, it benchmarks better on Apple hardware" is just asinine. There's nothing magical about it that should make it run any better or worse on a set of hardware according to its brand.
So very much, this.
I've done price comparisons, using Apple's site and their specs, and Newegg.com.
I found that what Apple was selling for, at the time, for $1600, I could build myself for $900-1100, and some of it (especially RAM, oh God, RAM) my system would beat theirs, easy.
So you're saying that your $1600 Apple benchmarks better than most $700-900 PCs... um, I would sure as hell hope so! Otherwise, it'd be an overpriced piece of junk.
They already are that.
That system I could build with the same specs, but for 400-500 cheaper? I would bet money that it'd benchmark the same, or slightly better (due to Apple vastly over-pricing RAM).
Worthless Keyboards, mice, and a nice pretty little case isn't worth $400. Heck, the monitor you get for it isn't even worth $400. Unless, of course, Apple desktops come with top of the line 27inch+ widescreen LCDs these days? Heck, I don't even think THOSE are $400. Mine was ~299 IIRC when I bought it.
Er, iMacs come with 27" LCD displays that beats the sh*t out of most 27" displays on the market.
FYI, a Mac also includes OS, iLife (creativity software that beats everything but professional paid software), etc. When you load up a PC with the equivalent software (and the software will definitely be inferior unless you shell out for pro-level apps), the price is generally exactly the same or more.
This also doesn't include the kind of customer service you get from Apple (the best in the business).
Apple isn't the only one that over-prices RAM. Every other PC manufacturer does. You can get your own RAM for a Mac pretty easily at Crucial.com, which is what I did. My iMac is running 16 GB of RAM for $100.
But yeah, cool stuff. Good to know that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you, like, work for Apple or something? Are you getting paid to say these kinds of things? You seem to be the one-and-only person on these forums who gets on their knees in front of them, you seem to worship them almost like people worship religions
But, okay, I'll bite....
MacOS? What good does that do me, when it doesn't run very much of anything out there? Why would I care that Macs are shipped with it installed? I'd end up dual-booting Windows just so I can actually, uh, run stuff. Like games. If I wanted to game, I'd have to... yes, buy Windows7.
Meanwhile, I've got a 3-pack Windows7 Upgrade, and I kept the little license stickers to prove I legally own 3 copies of Win7. I don't have to buy any OS unless I plan on making a new computer and keeping it around. Otherwise, I just buy a tower+parts minus HDD (or even with the HDD as long as I wipe it after installing the new one) for my upgrade, instead of buying an entirely new mac
Can you trade in a mac tower to get a new one 1-2 years down the road for not even half the cost of a brand new setup? I doubt it.
Oh, and let's not forget that MacOS is basically *nix with a spiffy UI. You can download that for free
off the internet (legally!), you know, if you're really that much into *nix.
iLife? Okay, so that might be good for people who actually do art and such... oh wait, I bet there's something comparable out there on Sourceforge mainly for *nix users that probably has either the source code (for you to compile yourself), or Windows binaries to just install and go.
So what are you saying I'd have to buy when I make a PC? The OS? Well, even if I didn't have those copies of Win7 already floating around that I can re-install on a new machine, Win7 costs what, $120-ish? I haven't looked up the price lately. Still cheaper for me to build my own and install Win7 than it would to buy a mac machine.
Overpriced RAM, so Apple actually lets you open up the cases to have free access to hardware? *shrugs* Last I heard, most computer manufacturers tend to put these annoying "VOID" stickers on the case that prevents you from opening the case without voiding the warranty. That way, they can charge you 3-4x what the upgrade really costs. I remember reading on Apple's website when I did research a couple years ago, that a RAM ugprade was $100 or so. The same sticks of RAM could be bought outright from Newegg for $40-50. Even name-brand RAM.
And who said I was buying anything from a PC manufacturer? I make my own PCs.
"Customer Support" ... that might be good, if you're some old granny or someone who has no confidence or reading ability. Virtually anything can be found on the internet (information-wise) that tells you exactly
what to do and how to do it. Step-by-step instructions that even a complete idiot would be challenged to screw it up.
And for said "Customer Support"... if it is a hardware issue, you're sending your Mac back to the manufacturer, which means you're without your machine for at least a day at best, right? Meanwhile with my PC, I can (in an emergency) run to the nearest PC shop and buy whatever part went bad and have my PC working within a couple hours.
And let's not forget, that Mac stores aren't exactly in every town. Where I live, I think I'd have to go to Pittsburgh to find a Mac dealer, or maybe Indiana has one... Pittsburgh is nearly an hour and a half drive; Indiana is ~45min. Meanwhile, the nearest PC parts-and-service shop is <10min away.
Edit: If Macs were so awesome, then everyone would use them
But yet, PCs seem to vastly out-number Macs (at least in the Desktop department, not sure about laptops, not really into those). Anywhere I go, doctors' offices, department stores, what-not, I see PCs. Usually Dell or HP, or custom-built ones. I have _never_ seen a Mac in any of these places, heck I've never went to anyone's house and actually saw a Mac, save once
and they were an art student going to college for design. Edited, Sep 14th 2011 11:27am by Lyrailis