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Sure, it had its flaws. But it had some good things, too. Like shiny graphics. And... um. The voiceacting? Ohgodwait that was actually terrible. And the quests were pretty epic when they wanted to be. Combat was... well, decent at times, but I think that it boiled down to that you can play it how you wanted to play it.

If you wanted to be a mage, you could. If oyu wanted to sneak past enemies and never really kill anything, you could most of the time. And if you wanted to stalk someone throughout their entire day by following them around and watching them awkwardly only to be disappointed when it turns out that they really aren't that interesting, well, you could do that.

I think the freedom was the big appeal. There hadn't been many open sandbox games that I can think of before Oblivion, aside from other Elder Scrolls games, but there were certainly more after.

I mean, it had flaws. Sure. But it had its high points, too.

Fair. I should have asserted that you had the mental capacity and personality of a shrew instead. I apologize to the mentally disabled peoples of the world.



You must HATE Wii games then. I assume you are going to assert that the WiiMote wasn't designed for gaming, since it uses a cursor on the screen that breaks immersion? What a about a game like Oblivion, a first person RPG, that still uses cross-hairs, even when you use a controller? How about when you play a turn based RPG and need to navigate through menus? CLEARLY those are awful gaming mechanisms. Do you like Minimaps? Or any other markers that show information/objectives? How about health bars? Naturally, the game character doesn't need a visual readout of how wounded they are--they can feel it.

Your argument is ridiculous. Are there pros to using controllers? Yes. Are there pros to using a mouse/keyboard? Yes. Is it realistic to expect a company designing a game for the PC to design it for the keyboard/mouse? Of course--every gamer has those. Is it realistic to expect a company designing a game for the PC to design it to use a controller? Of course not, the population of gamers that would use the controller is miniscule and almost every one of them would still play the game if it required a mouse/keyboard. To incorporate controller support they would need to put someone on that task, which means paying out a lot of money in man-hours that could have been used in making the game as a whole better instead.

Newsflash. If you don't like playing games using a keyboard/mouse, then PC gaming CLEARLY isn't for you. Criticizing a game for making use of a mouse/keyboard, when designed FOR THE PC (and ONLY released on it), is absurd.

I fail to see how "clicking is archaic" is a valid point.

So... you might say...

It trolled you.

YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

Oh what would Kao be without puns?

Just another wombat-loving arachnophobic technophile, I guess.

And I'm actually playing Oblivion right now. It's perfect because I'm also reading two books, playing EVE, and playing SW:KotOR. Very easy to level while doing any one (or two) of those other things. If those aren't enough to entertain me, there's Zam or my DS close at hand. :P

I figure I can actually start enjoying the game once I hit level 25, which will mean I won't need to look up rewards for every quest to see if I should wait and won't need to worry about using major skills (since I've capped any of the ones I'd possibly want to use, meaning Alchemy and Alteration).

But had I not had other things I wanted to do that would allow me to level at the same time, the system would have been a deal breaker for me.

Wha...?

I didn't like Torchlight, and I don't know what GoW is, unless it's God of War, in which case the second one has been out for quite a while...

Everything I saw online suggested that the game eventually became unplayable if you chose a starter class. D: D: D:

I don't mind anyone stating an opinion, but that makes little sense...

Also, I didn't care much for Torchlight, but I love the Diablo games.

ETA: And how is asking for clarification "trolling...?"

Edited, Jul 29th 2011 1:17pm by Belkira

You still didn't clarify what game you meant by GoW 2.

That's doubtful, if you wanted to be a caster. All of your major skills were the spells you used nonstop, which would mean you level quickly. Mobs level with you. But you'd only be getting a few points in Int/Will a level this way (best case scenario is 5, but that's unlikely--probably more Will than Int). You'd only get 1 point in Endurance. After a few levels, your health pool will still be pitifully small, but the health of your enemies will have increased much faster. (Your health increases each level relative to your endurance--if you don't increase it early on, you'll be a glass cannon. And that's not fun, which I quickly discovered after facing human enemies in close quarters. Your spells don't do enough damage to take them down in just a few casts, but you have no health to outlast them.

If I was going pure melee, it wouldn't have been as much of a problem. I would have gotten some Endurance every level from my Armorer skill (and possibly Heavy Armor). Pure Mages don't wear armor, because it lowers their spell effectiveness, so I wouldn't have been gaining much endurance at all.

Originally, I had just intended to get my Endurance to 100 and then start playing. But then I found out that certain quest rewards (the best ones in the game, generally) leveled with you, and that you couldn't get the best version until 25+. So I decided that I didn't want to get crap rewards if it just meant waiting a few levels, but also that I didn't want to look up the rewards for every quest. Hence the level goal of 25.

As for finding this stuff out, I knew about Oblivion's leveling quirks before even buying the game (because of this forum). So I was reading a thread about tips for beginners which happened to mention the problems with mage classes in particular.

Oblivion would have been a lot more fun if you didn't get punished by the game mechanics for doing what you wanted to do. Which is exactly why they've already made it clear that Skyrim will not be using this kind of system. The other issue is that it's absurd to expect someone to know what they want to do before they even get to really play. I did create my own custom class, but I had to start over after I realized my only options were (realistically) to mass level my magic up to the point where I could spend the whole game invisible, or to start over and actually get myself some health.

I know you warned me, but...