Quests for reward, Not LOOT/XP!!!Follow

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tho i agree w/ you about the 60 epic camps, u cant just shun ppl out for xping there, they r good camps to xp, and if they get an item to drop, more often that not that group/player shouts out if anyone needs the item and ya go from there.

I think that most people will still be decent enough to help the people looking for quest items if they're in a camp where someone needs it, we picked up a tank last night after group decided it was going to break just to help him get his, and I had a running list of everyone who asked for spores in shout or say and in what order at fungusmen. Usually if you ask nicely, people will respond in turn.

I do have to agree on the damage shield, though. (((WARNING WARNING: INCOMING RANT)))I mean come on. It seems like more and more things are being made so that you don't need to know what you're doing in order to hit 60 in as short a time as possible. Just look at the number of 60s still using the staff of Faykind. I mean hell, I saw a 60 ROGUE using one, which tells me he doesn't mind hitting for crap damage until the proc goes off, then occasionally hitting for about what I do normally. Now I'm hearing stories about one group using the damage shield to simply wipe out an entire floor at phantoms. I think that the devs need to get away from the frigging power gaming and get back to the roots of what's important. PLAYING the game. I remember way back it was actually an accomplishment to get a path quest done, work your way up to your epic, explore the game world,and finish it with your friends. Now, thanks to all the simple methods of cheese xp for which little or no skill is required, and even the most poorly built toon can quad for 2400 dmg or so, AoE for more, etc... I have 60s walking up to me on alts in Collenridge asking for directions to Klick. 35s asking for directions from the camp just outside to Grobb to the coach. They make things far too simple these days. Add something that makes people think or actually learn how to do somethingand they get bombarded by complaints until they change them, like pet modes. If they had merely left them as they used to be instead of giving in to everyone who was too ovrewhelmed with the notion of having to actually tell their pet when to attack we wouldn't have nearly the number of 60 necs and mages sitting in a cave somewhere still wearing the items they got from their lvl 1 quest and trying to decide when they should do the rest of them, or the amount of people getting booted from groups for afk petting, and numerous good xp spots wouldn't be ruined for real groups because petters decided to take them over to use as afk spots, thus eventually getting a response from the devs who, instead of merely adjusting the pet modes, cranked the lvls and abilities of random spawns in the area, ******** anyone who wants to go there, not just the petters. (And before you reply by calling me a petter hater, my main alt was a 32 nec when they changed pet modes. He was subsequently deleted when for two weeks after I couldn't get an invite to anything other than a PL or a pet group, and I loved my defiler to be.)

Edited, Wed Jun 8 13:06:17 2005 by Maldovar

if you say im looking for a 60 epic item if you find one may i plz have one/them. ask kindly and people will usually say ok.

Sadly, I went today with some guildies to get my sk's treant branches and a cleric's goblin beads. There weren't any camps open, and where there should have been there were instead grps taking 4 mobs instead of the two they needed. Also, of the gros there, half, yes HALF of the people were necs, and quite a few mages as well, and were on occasion shouting that if there were any other petters who wanted xp they were welcome to join grp and go afk. Of all the people out there, ONE was kind enough to offer to let my friend loot a bead that dropped, and apparently the timed wait before she was able to loot was too long for the xp hungry members of her group because one of them who didn't need it looted.

So, we headed over to treants where we were met, after we had logged out for a while and then met back up again, with a group of people holding up a mob that apparently triggers the respawn for that particular camp and farming an insta spawn. With no obvious way to get any branches, back to goblins we went, where after xping for 10 minutes we were then told by someone we were in their camp and they had just noticed, and then we noticed as well. He was only lvl 57 =( To quote him, "So what if it's a quest camp? xp is xp" And then he continued to kill with complete disregard for anyone there who might actually NEED to kill the mobs.

Apparently the devs here seem to think that everyone who plays this game is going to act the perfect neighbor, that they can add another perfectly arranged, artificial, lined up mobs waiting to be killed camp, add no aggro and make the mobs weak as all hell, and NOONE is going to go there except the people getting items, just like noone would misuse anything else in the game. There's a simple fix to this, up the drop rate of the items, make the mobs tougher and aggro, and reduce the respawn time. If you want to add xp camps, how about adding some of the old school ones, where mobs weren't arranged to be neatly pulled one at a time. Make it interesting again, please.

I did xp at the goblin camp last night for about an hour... it was some kick *** xp! I was getting 315-330k xp and had 2 59's and a 55 in grp.

We just sat there and killed the same one over and over, soon as ya loot it, it respawns. Was kind of boring, but good xp.