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#27 Dec 02 2013 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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I see. Still, I would have preferred the farm was more like the bases or whatever from WoD. I want custom improvements, dammit.

Also, I'm not amused by the lack of a random finder for MoP dungeons at 90. It randomly took away my ability to queue for normals, and I don't have the gear for a random heroic. Smiley: glare
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#28 Dec 02 2013 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
That's why you're supposed to do random normals while you level silly. That's what I did.

Still, I thought that was stupid too.
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#29 Dec 02 2013 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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I did. I was always in the queue. Still didn't get them all, since they were random.
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#30 Dec 02 2013 at 7:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Keep an eye on pugs for world bosses. All you have to do it hit it a couple times and it will give you the option for loot, regardless if your group pulled it or not. Don't think it works though if the opposite faction tags it though.
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#31 Dec 02 2013 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, I'm more than a little annoyed right now. The starting endgame experience is just freaking awful. EVERYTHING is quest gated. I'm trying to parkour my way to the flying trainer, because I can't do my farm dailies, because some require flying.

I'm fine with restricting flying, but don't restrict my freaking ability to play the game because of it.

Add in the inability to run random dungeons, the severe lack of awareness around endgame gearing (because the game is so decentralized and the main hub is in a literally gated area).

I'm having no fun right now. Quite the opposite. I'm annoyed and I want to quit while I'm ahead. Smiley: glare
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#32 Dec 02 2013 at 8:12 PM Rating: Excellent
The main city being gated is to ensure you see the story leading up to it. It's fairly important and colors the relationship between the Alliance/Horde and Pandaren.

It's very quick, and starts at the Temple of the White Tiger in Kun-Lai Summit.

As soon as you get in there and get flying, look into the Timeless Isle intro quest. It should appear in your log as soon as possible (it has Chromie!). A piece or two from the TI and you'll be able to do heroics right away.

The quest gating is there to make sure you really explore Pandaria and see what there is to see. No more spam queuing in the city. You can't fly for the dailies until you witness the opening of the Vale, you can't queue for heroics until you get some quest/TI gear, etc.

I will admit, it was a bit stupid of them to disable the random normal queues at 90 though. There's no level 90 only normal mode dungeons (they exist only as heroics) but you can still at least queue for normal modes using the "specific dungeon" finder.

Oh, and do some Scenarios as soon as you can. They're pretty much group quests you can queue for, and are mostly a lot of fun.
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#33 Dec 02 2013 at 8:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Go to the Vale of Eternal Blossoms.

You should get a quest called "A Flash of Bronze..."

Take this quest.

Oh, and before you use the item he gives you, download HandyNotes and HandyNotes: Timeless Isle Chests (you can get rid of these addons when you're done).

Go the Timeless Isle and take all of the chests, except those requiring Flight. You can get most chests without having to fight anything at all!

Once you're done you should be near-full 496 geared which is overkill for Heroics. Q up for the Arena of Annihilation Scenario for a 450 weapon if you haven't' done that already; its a guaranteed Quest Reward.

Oh, and... you don't need those reputations: You can buy everything off the vendors with zero rep now except for the Shado-Pan Assault (you can get all except Shoulders from being Friendly which is 1 run of Last Stand of the Zandalari).

EDIT: If you haven't been to the Vale yet.... I can fly you there if you want, and all you gotta do is grab the Flight Path and set your Hearth there (it has portals to all the other cities).

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 9:15pm by Lyrailis
#34 Dec 02 2013 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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Afterthought:

I do realize that MoP does not do a very good job at explaining how one does Endgame in-game itself, especially the bit about the Vale being gated. Players who leveled during MoP before Patch 5.4 would probably know their way around because all of this stuff was added in patches along the way but if you were dumped into it at 5.4 you're probably confused.

They should have, in 5.4, allowed you to get to the Vale without doing the "attunement" quest or something. But it is a trivial matter; anybody with a Sandstone Drake can fly you there.

Also, Mage Portals and Warlock Summons work too last I checked.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 9:18pm by Lyrailis
#35 Dec 02 2013 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I consider that a challenge!

And I'm a little overwhelmed by pet battling, because I've been a pet collector for years, so my selection is huge already. Smiley: lol

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Also, do I want to go 3/3 for new pets, or should I just be focusing on getting blue ones?

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 12:38pm by idiggory


Focus on getting blue ones. It's all about quality in the long run. And get an addon (sorry, I can't check WoW to recommend the right one atm) to tell you what breed you're getting. There are preferable breeds you'll want for some pets. Focus on getting a strong group to level 25. Once you have that, it's easier to power level low level pets. You'll run across a lot of beasts and critters, so Mechanical (I love Clockwork Gnome) and Beast are two good ideas. Dragon, Elemental, or Humanoid are also good, but can be a little hard to come by at first. Others probably have good suggestions, as well.
#36 Dec 02 2013 at 9:03 PM Rating: Good
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A. I figured I could jump off the wall into the zone to get my flying. So. Yeah. My Winged Steed of the Ebon Blade flies again!

B. Thanks for the pet battle tips. Anyone have addon reqs there, lemme know.

C. I got the Chromie quest, but didn't bother doing it. Thanks for telling me this was a bad idea. :P

D.

It says my ilvl is too low for scenarios, but it's fine for heroic scenarios...

Is that normal?

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:06pm by idiggory
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#37 Dec 02 2013 at 9:11 PM Rating: Good
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Lyrailis wrote:
The farm is an awesome alternative to "Farm farm farm farm farm farm" craft materials.

You can plant plants that turn into leather, cloth, ore, herbs, and enchanting materials now which saves you the trouble of having to pound it out on ore nodes or such. Well, the Ore is... hella slow (though if you need Trillium it can be nice...) but the Leather... I'd rather spend 5 minutes a day for 50-60 pieces of leather, than having to kill & skin 30-40 mobs to get the same leather every day.

And the Farm -is- about growing your farm (though you can only do this 3 times for a total of 16 plots) and doing work orders. You can't do the work orders until you have Exalted with the Tillers and take over the farm though.

My big problem with the farm is the tedium of fighting crap, pulling roots, watering, debugging, etc. It just happens way too many times and takes too fricking long. I just want to plant stuff, not have to do crap for practically every seed. They should implement a skill system, so the more times you have farmed the less likely any and the random events will occur.

I love the idea of the farm, I just wish it wasn't so annoying.

Edit: cause iPads suck for typing.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 8:14pm by Azwing
#38 Dec 02 2013 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
A. I figured I could jump off the wall into the zone to get my flying. So. Yeah. My Winged Steed of the Ebon Blade flies again!

B. Thanks for the pet battle tips. Anyone have addon reqs there, lemme know.

C. I got the Chromie quest, but didn't bother doing it. Thanks for telling me this was a bad idea. :P

D.

It says my ilvl is too low for scenarios, but it's fine for heroic scenarios...

Is that normal?

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:06pm by idiggory


Uh?

Going to the Timeless Isle is a bad idea?

......why?

You don't even have to fight anything and you'll get gear good enough to do the dungeons easily.

But if you seriously want to pass up 496 stuff, then... the only two other things you could do would be to buy 476 BoEs from the AH, or quest in Dread Wastes (which rewards 437 greens + occasional 440-ish blue).
#39 Dec 02 2013 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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A. Me too. I was impatient and figured I could make it easy enough, and I did.

B. One pet addon I do remember and highly recommend is PetBattle Teams. You can make multiple teams, name teams, swap pets. It's a great improvement over the standard pet ui.


Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 8:22pm by Azwing
#40 Dec 02 2013 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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Azwing wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:
The farm is an awesome alternative to "Farm farm farm farm farm farm" craft materials.

You can plant plants that turn into leather, cloth, ore, herbs, and enchanting materials now which saves you the trouble of having to pound it out on ore nodes or such. Well, the Ore is... hella slow (though if you need Trillium it can be nice...) but the Leather... I'd rather spend 5 minutes a day for 50-60 pieces of leather, than having to kill & skin 30-40 mobs to get the same leather every day.

And the Farm -is- about growing your farm (though you can only do this 3 times for a total of 16 plots) and doing work orders. You can't do the work orders until you have Exalted with the Tillers and take over the farm though.

My big problem with the farm is the tedium of fighting crap, pulling roots, watering, debugging, etc. It just happens way too many times and takes too fricking long. I just want to plant stuff, not have to do crap for practically every seed. They should implement a skill system, so the more times you have farmed the less likely any and the random events will occur.

I love the idea of the farm, I just wish it wasn't so annoying.

Edit: cause iPads suck for typing.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 8:14pm by Azwing


I'm seriously not trying to toot my horn but I do a farm in 4-5 minutes. I've even done it in 3:50 before with lots of water/bugs (Buy the Irrigation System/Bug Zapper/Plow. Seriously. Yes it is expensive. But it is so worth it).

Is 4-5 minutes once a day really too much work?


Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:23pm by Lyrailis
#41 Dec 02 2013 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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I mean that it was a bad idea to ignore the quest. I wasn't going to do it, because I was going to do the zones in order.
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#42 Dec 02 2013 at 9:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
I mean that it was a bad idea to ignore the quest. I wasn't going to do it, because I was going to do the zones in order.


OH!

Okay.

Well, be careful on the Timeless Isle -- and remember. Don't worry about dying. lol. The mobs there are really tuned for people who are ~470-480 average item-level.

Most of the chests are easily gotten without killing anything, but you might have to sac pull (stun it, grab chest, run and maybe die) for some of them, especially anything on the eastern end of the island (Frogs, or especially up on Yaungol Hill).

Just try to get enough chests for now that you're wearing mostly 496 stuff on at least the main pieces (rings, neck, curios are harder to find usually). And don't forget the flight path when you arrive, lol. I did that on a couple characters. Having to manually fly there is possible, but you'll get dropped off in the water, hopefully not in front of Evermaw. haha.

Also, the chests (and rare mobs that you can help with and still get loot) can drop anything, but are skewed towards your class's armor type (DK for example will get Mostly Plate with some other stuff thrown in). All Timeless ____ Pieces are BoA which you can ship to your other characters. When you right click one, it makes a piece of gear for your current spec, or a specified spec if you specified a spec other than your current one. If you're in Blood Spec on your DK, it'll give you Tank Gear for example. They are no longer BoA once you use one to create a piece of armor, though.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:32pm by Lyrailis
#43 Dec 02 2013 at 9:30 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I have that stuff. I still find it irritating to have to fight things when I harvest, then fight things when I plant. I'd just like to be able to farm without the tedious crap. It's fine at first, but after a year of it, I'm sick of it.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 8:32pm by Azwing
#44 Dec 02 2013 at 9:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Azwing wrote:
Yeah, I have that stuff. I still find it irritating to have to fight things when I harvest, then fight things when I plant. I'd just like to be able to farm without the tedious crap. It's fine at first, but after a year of it, I'm sick of it.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 8:32pm by Azwing


Don't get me wrong, there's times I find it old too.

I'm doing 6 tailors + 3 leatherworkers' gardens per day because I can't resist the opportunity to make Royal Satchels and 553 legs/belts for everybody. There are days I literally can't stomach doing 9 farms and end up skipping it that day.

And sometimes my Sleep Apnea strikes and I start getting drowsy at the keyboard while doing them too.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:35pm by Lyrailis
#45 Dec 02 2013 at 9:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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More Timeless Isle/Endgame Tips for idiggory:

1). Don't use your first pair of Timeless Boots. Save it, unless you get 2 of them.

2). If you get a duplicate item that you can use (Example: 2 Timeless Plate Chestpiece for a DK), stick the duplicate in your bank for later. If you get a Burden of Eternity later, you can use the Burden on the 2nd Chestpiece to make a 535 (rather than 496). You can't use a Burden on an already-created armor, or a Timeless Curio, or an Armor Cache.

3). If you get a Burden of Eternity, I recommend doing Helmet, Shoulder, and Boots first -- those are the 3 pieces you cannot buy from the Shado-Pan Assault (Shoulders Require Exalted, and they don't sell Helmet or Boots at all). SPA gear is 522, which is better than the 496s you get from the Timeless Isle, but they require Valor.

4). Buy a Shado-Pan Assault Necklace when you get 825 Valor; the Vendor is in Townlong Steppes at the Temple of Nuizao (there's a golden helmet icon on your map where she is). The necklace is the only piece that does not require any rep with them and is 522 like the other SPA gear.

5). Once you get high enough item level to Q up for Scenarios, go to where you found Chromie's Quest, and go in the building there and find Lorewalker Cho. He'll give you a quest for the Blood in the Snow scenario. When you do that, he wants you to do another scenario: Dark Heart of Pandaria. Q up and do that one, then he should send you to Kun-Lai Summit to help an old Panda up the mountain. This quest rewards a pair of 502 Boots and will last you until/unless you get a Burden of Eternity to use on a Pair of Boots for 535.

6). Once you can Q for Heroics, 496 Pieces can be bought with Justice Points: From Krasarang (requires you to do your faction's beach landing quests to open the area up, the quest to go there is called "Meet the Scout"): 1 Ring, 1 Trinket, 1 Belt and 1 Boots (?). From Isle of Thunder (requires you to do 'Thunder Calls', the Quartermaster will be on the boat when you arrive): 1 Ring. This gives you 2 Rings and 1 Trinket if you can't get any luck finding them on the Timeless Isle. Heroic Dungeons award 120 Justice per boss, the Trinkets cost 1750 and the Rings 1250 IIRC.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:45pm by Lyrailis
#46 Dec 02 2013 at 9:43 PM Rating: Good
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Is this no flying thing... permanent?
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#47 Dec 02 2013 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Is this no flying thing... permanent?


On Timeless and Thunder Isles, yes unfortunately.

The Timeless Isle is designed for land travel; there's gimmicks to get to unreachable places (birds, etc). Its just like Molten Front, Tol Barad, etc like they did before.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:46pm by Lyrailis
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:

B. Thanks for the pet battle tips. Anyone have addon reqs there, lemme know.


I highly recommend PetJournal Enhanced. Useful no matter what aspects of pet battling you get into. It will give you the breed of each of your pets and also offers a lot of different sorting/filtering/organizational options for your journal.

I also use:
PetTracker, which will show the locations of pets, tamers, and stables on your map, as well as offering a few other nice features like information on each pet tamer, and a warning if a wild pet you're fighting is better than the one in your journal so you can trap it. If you're working on Zookeeper, it also has the option of showing the pets you're missing in each zone in your objectives list.

PetBattle Teams, which allows you to save multiple teams. Useful if you do the same tamers/dailies a lot and don't want to recreate your teams all the time, and for PVP.

Battle Pet Daily Tamer, which tracks dailies by putting them on your map and then taking them off once you've done them for the day. Useful for old ladies who can't remember if they went to Winterspring already or not.
#49 Dec 02 2013 at 9:52 PM Rating: Good
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And is this available for every new class, or is it per account? If I'm gonna bring something else up to 90, should I take it easy on the chests?
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#50 Dec 02 2013 at 9:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
And is this available for every new class, or is it per account? If I'm gonna bring something else up to 90, should I take it easy on the chests?


Timeless Isle chests are available, once, for every character. Go ahead and open them all, save all the purples.

The coins can be used to buy a 476 weapon of your choice: 10k coins for a 1H, 20K for a 2H. Shields and Off-hand items also available (for 10k). Later on, you can buy a trinket or a burden of eternity for 50k, but that takes a fair amount of grinding.

You should get more than 10k coins if you do the starter quests and open all the non-flight chests. If you need 20k for a weapon...you'll need to do the daily a few times probably unless you get lucky if someone spawns the Dread Ship (Captain Genest will shout zone-wide) while you're there.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 10:55pm by Lyrailis
#51 Dec 02 2013 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
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For future reference, is there more than one kind of dps trinket per stat? Because I got the same one twice in a row.
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