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#1 Jun 22 2012 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
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I am leaving the forum, it was fun, bye!
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#2 Jun 22 2012 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Jun 22 2012 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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#4 Jun 22 2012 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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#5 Jun 22 2012 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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I swear he promised to leave once or twice before..?
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**** it, guys, you're going to jinx it.
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I won't miss the juvenile insults or the ongoing feuds, but I do wonder who is going to fill in for RAW on actually posting threads about World of Warcraft rather than just +1-ing. As lame as many of his threads tended to be, I don't see much else in the past few pages except surveys, youtubers and a smattering of questions so besmeared with nubcake that one has to suspect they were trolling (e.g. Homework).
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Rhodekylle wrote:
I won't miss the juvenile insults or the ongoing feuds, but I do wonder who is going to fill in for RAW on actually posting threads about World of Warcraft rather than just +1-ing. As lame as many of his threads tended to be, I don't see much else in the past few pages except surveys, youtubers and a smattering of questions so besmeared with nubcake that one has to suspect they were trolling (e.g. Homework).


Hopefully this will change when 5.0 hits and there are things ingame that aren't discussed to death a dozen times already.
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#10 Jun 23 2012 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know. On the one hand I agree Rhodekylle that he sometimes comes up with a question or such that seems decent and is worded ok. On the other hand he will quickly resort to being childish and calling people punks and trolls the next day.

While I don't expect him to stay gone I do hope, if he comes back, that he figures out which type of person he wants to be and stick with it. I don't care if he is helpful or a prick but at least pick one and stick with it. Smiley: oyvey
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#11 Jun 23 2012 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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Oi.

Not touching this one.
#12 Jun 23 2012 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
I think he needs to take an anger management course or something, and then he'd be fine. We all react negatively to him a lot of the times, because he acts like a **** Then when we react negatively, he acts like a **** more which just furthers the cycle. If he'd develop the skill of not being a **** I think most people here wouldn't be **** back. I know I wouldn't.
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That's a lot of **** in one post there Pigtails. Got something on your mind?
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I think he needs to take an anger management course or something, and then he'd be fine. We all react negatively to him a lot of the times, because he acts like a **** Then when we react negatively, he acts like a **** more which just furthers the cycle. If he'd develop the skill of not being a **** I think most people here wouldn't be **** back. I know I wouldn't.


Vicious Circles are Vicious Circles.

Someone has to break the circle.

And yeah, I Have seen some things posted by him that are decent reads, he just seems a bit quick to shoot from the hip without thinking. That's the part he could use work on.
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If he'd develop the skill of not being a **** I think most people here wouldn't be **** back. I know I wouldn't.

Or simply don't take the bait. In a nutshell, he bothers you (not Pigtails specifically) because you let him bother you. If everyone would just ignore his little diatribes he wouldn't have anything to use. But this is the internet, everyone has to take offense at any little jab taken and fire right back. Be different, take the high road. It really isn't a sign of weakness.

He probably sits back and thinks "Hook, line and sinker" after every response. He's admitted that he trolls. Why give him that satisfaction? They're just words on a computer screen, they can't hurt you. Unless you let them. I'm sure you all can justify to yourselves the reason for answering him. I really don't see the need.

If he really gets under your skin the best thing to do is:
1. Mouse over his name.
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In the meantime, I'll sit back and watch. Smiley: popcorn
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But this is the internet, everyone has to take offense at any little jab taken and fire right back.


The internet: giving everyone permanent PMS since 1982.
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#17 Jun 24 2012 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
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That's a lot of **** in one post there Pigtails. Got something on your mind?


Meybe... Smiley: sly I'm better today though, 'cause I got some last night. Smiley: grin

*cough* Anyways... yeah, putting him on ignore helped a lot. Now I can choose whether or not to read his posts. If I know I'm in a bad mood and likely to succumb to taunting easily, I don't read them. It doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore.
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#18 Jun 24 2012 at 8:22 PM Rating: Good
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putting him on ignore helped a lot. Now I can choose whether or not to read his posts. If I know I'm in a bad mood and likely to succumb to taunting easily, I don't read them. It doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore.


Amen, sistah.

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#19 Jun 25 2012 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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PigtailsOfDoom wrote:

*cough* Anyways... yeah, putting him on ignore helped a lot. Now I can choose whether or not to read his posts. If I know I'm in a bad mood and likely to succumb to taunting easily, I don't read them. It doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore.


The problem with that is, people quote him.
I don't have him on ignore, but I pretty much have relegated him to the F category... as in, [Fail, read for the lulz].
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And yeah, I Have seen some things posted by him that are decent reads, he just seems a bit quick to shoot from the hip without thinking. That's the part he could use work on.


RAW is/was one of those people who makes you want to punch them in the face even when you agree with them.

As for Rhode's concerns, not playing right now makes it hard to post on anything WoW related. The Mrs. still plays, but her exploits as of late are mostly stuff like farming Anzu, and messing around with a low level lock. Nothing occurring that would really generate a thread.

Unless we want to whine about how overpowered heirlooms are at low-level PvP again?
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We should discuss the upcoming Feral Druid changes. Smiley: nod

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Rhodekylle wrote:
I do wonder who is going to fill in for RAW on actually posting threads about World of Warcraft rather than just +1-ing. As lame as many of his threads tended to be, I don't see much else in the past few pages except surveys, youtubers and a smattering of questions so besmeared with nubcake that one has to suspect they were trolling (e.g. Homework).


The forums of Allakhazam.com died a long time ago. While disliked, RAWDEAL was an active member, which is in decline here. I troll the forums once or twice a month, just to see what is the highlight of discussion here. But as stated, you only see survey posts and the weekend goals/summary. I guess I see the decline of forum activity, outside of gaming companies owned forums, being replaced with new forms of social media. O-boards remain popular because that % of that game's population treat it as a online complaint department, and feel that is where they will be heard by the game developers for the changes they desire.
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The Zam WoW Forum will always have more traffic at the start of an expansion when there's actually stuff to discuss, then later on in the timeline of an expansion it quiets down, due to lack of things to talk about.
Unless of course if you want to talk about farming herbs or something.
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Actually, during previous waits we had feedback from people doing the beta. This time they aren't posting, although at least a few of the old members got in on beta.

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ZAM has been less than supportive of the forums since we were told the site was being neutered so that they could focus on Wowhead.

Edited, Jun 28th 2012 1:04pm by Rhodekylle
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Rhodekylle wrote:

ZAM has been less than supportive of the forums since we were told the site was being neutered so that they could focus on Wowhead.


Sadly, this is the perfect description of this forum now. And to admin, there's no reason at all for me to upgrade my acct or whitelist you.
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The Zam WoW Forum will always have more traffic at the start of an expansion when there's actually stuff to discuss, then later on in the timeline of an expansion it quiets down, due to lack of things to talk about.
Unless of course if you want to talk about farming herbs or something.


Yes and no. Go back a few years here on this forum, and you had a larger active total posting regardless of if an expansion was out or not. I can look on the first page of this forum, and it will date back the full month of June. Go back a few years, and you see a page will date back only a a day or two, with active, posting members.

Where did those members go? Time only tells that secret. What keeps new members from registering here and posting regularly? That's the question. I saw it at it's peak, and enjoyed my time here. Before WoW, during my EQ days. It started declining when Allakhazam himself sold the site. I cannot say if that was a factor or not.
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If anything, I would attribute the decline in traffic to the fact that most MMOs have their own official forum, so there is simply less demand for fan sites. MMO-Champ maintains it's traffic through it's blue tracker and the daily summary of useful blue posts.
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If anything, I would attribute the decline in traffic to the fact that most MMOs have their own official forum, so there is simply less demand for fan sites. MMO-Champ maintains it's traffic through it's blue tracker and the daily summary of useful blue posts.


While that does make sense, as games like FFXI only recently obtained it's own official forum, WoW has always had it's own O-Board. Forum=11 was the most busy out of all forums here because XI lacked an official forum, however regardless of WoW's own forum, alla's forum=21 remained a busy place as well. It was a running joke for the longest time that the O-boards was just for the lulz, and you came here for serious debate and discussion on various topics about the game.
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It was a running joke for the longest time that the O-boards was just for the lulz, and you came here for serious debate and discussion on various topics about the game.
What is there to discuss that we haven't already, probably two or three times? I mean, we usually answer any questions that come along, but those are fairly rare.

I blame a decline in new players, myself. I think MMOs in general are probably on a slow spiral out of fashion and things will simply continue on such a decline.
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What is there to discuss that we haven't already, probably two or three times? I mean, we usually answer any questions that come along, but those are fairly rare.


The way you state this makes me think then why have a forum at all? And why be here if all has been asked and answered and discussed? Just to inform the few that do frequent this forum what your goals are for the weekend and how/if you accomplished them?

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I blame a decline in new players, myself. I think MMOs in general are probably on a slow spiral out of fashion and things will simply continue on such a decline.


I dream that the MMO genre and it's player base reverts back to how it was before it became a fad. I hope you are right, and what we are left with are true fans of the game. But I don't believe a decline in new players in a game is to blame for the decline in new forum members here at Allakhazam.com. I would like to elaborate further, but just got in a LFR group.
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What is there to discuss that we haven't already, probably two or three times? I mean, we usually answer any questions that come along, but those are fairly rare.


The way you state this makes me think then why have a forum at all? And why be here if all has been asked and answered and discussed? Just to inform the few that do frequent this forum what your goals are for the weekend and how/if you accomplished them?
As new content is brought out, new questions arise. We're in a slow point with few questions and few newbies to ask the old ones.
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Also, MMOs aren't new anymore. New expansions bring new content, but the core of the game--the basics--stay the same.

Plus, a lot of the theorycrafting (if not all of it) has moved to dedicated websites. We used to discuss strategies, rotations and gearing up, but all that's been moved to easy-to-read guides on different websites. Since a "best" of everything has already been established there's no need for a discussion on it, which means less activity here.

Activity will go up once there's a topic that cannot have a mathematically determined "best" outcome. Something that requires personal opinions. Something like "Do you think Blizzard should sell level 80's?" Unfortunately, most of the subjective topics have already been done to death multiple times.

We've been talking about this game for eight years. In the meantime, other games are created around the same template as WoW, so the core mechanics stay the same even when we switch to a completely new game, like Rift and SWTOR.

Basically, the need for knowledge about the games has been saturated. You can't add more to a saturated solution, unless you heat it up. RAW's been stirring the pot on that one for a while.

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Maz summed it up quite nicely so I feel no need to regurgitate that information and add my own point of view. Why do any of you still continue to actively post here? Or are you more of a lurker/casual poster?

Edited, Jun 29th 2012 9:48am by Magilicotti
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Boredom at work.

And I'm totally casual.

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Because there are people here that I'd bother to drink a beer with. Although I may not play on the same servers, I also prefer to talk WOW with people that I've interacted with over the course of the game's development.
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Magilicotti wrote:
Maz summed it up quite nicely so I feel no need to regurgitate that information and add my own point of view. Why do any of you still continue to actively post here? Or are you more of a lurker/casual poster?


Something like what Rhode said.

I also miss the old days when it was busier here, but don't really dwell on it. There's a group of people here I've grown accustomed to discussing things with, and that's fine with me. Also, to what Maz said, there's a lot that doesn't get discussed anymore simply because there's not a reason to. I mean we can point people to EJ, or debate which is better RAWR or Mr. Robot, but there's not a population here that theory-crafts anymore. I mean, I don't know about the rest but I don't have the kind of time I used to. So theory-crafting for me is less about spreadsheets, and more about what's the most effective way to farm gold while balancing a baby on my lap.

I wander over to other WoW forums as well, but there's not much I that motivates me to post much. A lot of the discussions happening we've had so many times here people won't participate in them, or won't take them seriously anymore. Some of that's a little bit of maturity I'd like to think. We're not all in a tizzy when there's no shaman in a Ensidia boss kill pic; FtoM classes come and go and such, and most here have seen more than their fair share. We've heard the "WoW is dying!" threads, people's new ideas for expansions, speculated about lore, etc. I'm not in beta, and I'm happy to save the surprise for when the expansion is released I guess, so that's not a big deal to me.

Ye olde casual gamer got olde I guess. Mostly content to toss the occasional idea around with the gang that's still here, reminisce about the old days a little, and yell at the youngins who won't git off mah lawn! Smiley: mad
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#41 Jun 29 2012 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
I have no special insight into this as an admin because I have never been involved, but I think it's a lot what maz and protein etc has said, combined with this: Wowhead came out with a superior database, which is why ZAM bought them. People tend to come to a site for information like that, and at that point also look at the forums. The fact that zam has no data anymore means that we're not getting google hits for items and abilities, so all those people are instead going to wowhead. Once you're there, why would you come here to post on a forum, when you can post on their forum?

http://www.wowhead.com/forums?board=0 (~4 days to fill the front page)

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The fact that zam has no data anymore means that we're not getting google hits for items and abilities, so all those people are instead going to wowhead. Once you're there, why would you come here to post on a forum, when you can post on their forum?

http://www.wowhead.com/forums?board=0 (~4 days to fill the front page)

Edited, Jun 29th 2012 11:00am by Xsarus


I never liked wowhead, still don't. As far as their forums are concerned, I've never gone there. I read the comments on particular items I rarely look up, but beyond that...no. Now I only hit wowhead for event guides.
I started Zam when FFXI came out, continued into WoW, FFXIV, then Rift. When I eventually quit WoW, I guess I'll join the lurkers...maybe.

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This will be a pretty significant change, so I don't expect all unicorns and rainbows, but I do think that they're a positive change and that hopefully, with more time to devote on the user experience, we can attract more users and really push this WoW community as a positive place to be outside of the official forums.
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That's another thing I don't get, as they wanted to focus on WoW head being the database, why didn't they just tie in the forums there with these forums? Why operate two separate forums on the same subject?
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Just speculating:

I'm guessing if ZAM had just been a WoW website they would have condensed a lot more. WoWhead was entirely a World of Warcraft site, while the WoW forums here were a fraction of the overall traffic for this site. It probably made sense to build on what they had there moreso than here. I'm guessing they didn't intend the forums here to fizzle as much as they did, but it probably didn't make sense to do much in the way of official upkeep in this corner of ZAM once WoWhead was purchased.

In short, not enough overlap to condense, and not a pressing reason to spend a lot of effort on upkeep here.

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I'm not into web design, hobby or professional. But you'd think all they could do is, when you click on the hyperlink for "forums" at Wowhead, it could bring you to forum=21. But then they have to add the members from Wowhead here or some such jazz. So okay, I answered my own question in regards to the difficulty in forum merging.
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I'm mostly lurking and only post very irregular. I do miss the times when people like Mental, Bodhi, Jordster and Theo were really active here and a lot of lulz was flying around like it was when I started visiting this page. :(

Can't really substitute a good ol' flamewar.
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Although I may not play on the same servers, I also prefer to talk WOW with people that I've interacted with over the course of the game's development.


That sums it up. It's sort of like the corner bar. This is where and with whom I enjoy discussing this particular hobby (apart from my guild forums as well), and it makes me sad every time I play something new that I can't just transport you all from game to game for my convenience.

Also, I still check in on these forums occasionally even though I don't care much about WoW and don't play anymore, just to see what the crew is up to, and whether Maz is still drunk, which, obviously, he is.
#50 Jun 30 2012 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not drunk, the world is just super sober all the time!
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#51 Jul 01 2012 at 12:58 AM Rating: Decent
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How many of you that still post here, no longer play World of Warcraft? Or any game on the ZAM network?
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