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#1 May 17 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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With the continued popularity of the Dungeon Finder, many players have been asking for a way to group up with real-life friends who play on other realms to take on instances together. Today, we wanted to give you a heads up about a new feature currently in development that will allow players to invite Real ID friends of the same faction to a party regardless of the realm they play on, and then queue up for a 5-player regular or Heroic dungeon.

As this is a fairly complex service to develop, we don’t have a release date to share quite yet. It’s important to note that as with some of the other convenience- and connectivity-oriented features we offer, certain elements of the cross-realm Real ID party system will be premium-based, though only the player sending the invitations will need to have access to the premium service. We'll have more details to share with you as development progresses -- in the meantime, you may begin to see elements of the feature appear on the World of Warcraft PTR.


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I find this to be a great feature, but at the same time, the second part I find very disturbing.

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#2 May 17 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
Cool idea, but it doesn't really affect me any. All of my REAL-ID friends either already play on the same server as I do, or they're Alliance scum. =x
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#3 May 17 2011 at 4:59 PM Rating: Good
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no i would not pay for this and imo should not be a premium service.
#4 May 17 2011 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
My reaction to this, as I read, pretty much went something like this: "Ooh, what's this? Seriously? That's @#%^ing aweso- Oh, wait, that's kinda sucky ... Yeah, that's godawful."

I can understand the mechanics of it being linked to Real ID friends to work cross-server but, for reasons equally paranoia-fuelled and not that at all, I just don't want to be adding a bunch of people as Real ID friends like that. And, really, it should be possible to make this a non Real ID thing anyway. Also, milking more money out of it by making it premium? I'd sooner pay to sleep with a murloc (just so I could say I did)!

It's kind of like the production team for WoW are thinking, "sh*t, with Titan being made and this game getting old, WoW probably doesn't have long to go anymore. We need to crank our profits up to eleven while we still can!"

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It's kind of like the production team for WoW are thinking, "sh*t, with Titan being made and this game getting old, WoW probably doesn't have long to go anymore. We need to crank our profits up to eleven while we still can!"


What gave it away? Was it the $10 virtual pets?
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Personally, I'd start being concerned when a business starts showing signs they're not trying to make profits any way they can.
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Personally, I'd start being concerned when a business starts showing signs they're not trying to make profits any way they can.


I don't know. Warhammer Online is still up and running and Mythic hasn't cared about profits there for the last two years.
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For that matter, an old text MUD I used to play before UO is still up and running. If there's an MMO that's simply pulled the plug on it's servers, I don't know what it is. And a lot of MMOs still manage to keep the lights on at 1/100th of WoW's 10 mil+ customer base.
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Personally, I'd start being concerned when a business starts showing signs they're not trying to make profits any way they can.
I don't know. Warhammer Online is still up and running and Mythic hasn't cared about profits there for the last two years.
And look at just how much work they're putting into it. Smiley: tongue
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If there's an MMO that's simply pulled the plug on it's servers, I don't know what it is.


They pulled the plug on Matrix Online. Had some big player event with developers and stuff to tie up the storyline and then shut it down.

SWG apparently still breathes, but has been on a ventilator since 2006.

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Personally, I'd start being concerned when a business starts showing signs they're not trying to make profits any way they can.
I don't know. Warhammer Online is still up and running and Mythic hasn't cared about profits there for the last two years.
And look at just how much work they're putting into it. Smiley: tongue


It's amazing, indeed. They really love that game. Smiley: um

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If I'm still playing when this goes through I'll probably hit up some Zam peeps to run some instances together boost my characters through heriocs.
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If it connects US to EU servers I will pay for it so I can run heroics with Maz and Aeth...
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I'm guessing it's limited to your continent.

Which is a shame. Pretty much every EU poster is already playing on Kazzak and I'm still all by myself most of the time. And I don't even play that much anymore. Smiley: frown
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At first I thought "ooh, kind of neat but not something I'd use", then I thought "what? Premium service? No way"....


But then I realized that I miss my old guildies who left my server and I have some of them as real id friends still......so, I think if they got it working, I might actually spring for it if it didn't cost much. >.<
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It needs to work for raids... please?
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"cross-realm Real ID party system will be premium-based, though only the player sending the invitations will need to have access to the premium service"


This I DO NOT like. I'm all for paying for cosmetics. I'm all for paying for out of game apps. Now they are going to charge for an in-game feature? What's next? Premium auction house? Premium quests? We're all paying 15 bucks a month and all of that is going into them developing this service...

I draw the line at in-game FEATURES being "premium". This isn't some cheap free to play Asian game. This is the World of Warcraft many of us have dished hundreds upon hundreds of dollars into. This is an insult to the paying customer and is NOT going to help the declining player base.
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i just have to add that i hope blizz actually reads their own DB and realizes that most people will not pay for this service and that a) they end up making it free or b) actually work on in game things that could use a boost.

I personally dont have any friends playing on other servers and even if i did i think id grind out another toon to 85 before paying for something extra like this.(as stated in my other post ill never pay)
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A free cross-dungeon LFD would help keep many people playing and paying.

A paid one wont.
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#19 May 18 2011 at 3:42 AM Rating: Good
If it is rolled into the existing premium, and paying gives you mobile banking, guild chat, and now this too, then most wont care. At least in the case that one premium upgrade gives you multiple things, it makes sense that they add a bunch of stuff so that players will opt for the upgrade due to the multiple benefits. If it's a standalone service with an added per month cost, it will be dead on arrival.
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I've never objected in the least to any of the vanity stuff or mobile apps, but I am really shocked that they're making an in-game feature paid. Too far, Blizz.
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Honestly, I dont like the idea. I wont be buying that, at all.
But, then again, it won't change a snitz for me, since all my friends play in the same server as I do.
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Here's how I read this:

1. You will be able to play with old friends from old realms - assuming you haven't forgotten them (Like I have done)
2. You will be able to play with old friends who left your server - assuming they haven't forgotten you.
3. You can meet new people via the LFD tool and /friend them for future runs.


Here's how I feel about this:

1. I left the realm for a reason. I may have had some friends I left behind, but clearly that relationship wasn't on the top of my priority list.
2. They left my server for a reason. We likely haven't talked in weeks, months, years. What makes Blizzard think I'm going to remember them?
3. I don't have friends on MY server (outside of guild) due to the LFD tool. Do you really think that I'm going to suddenly start to foster relationships with someone else...?


This seems like a cool programing option, but I don't think it's needed and I definately wouldn't sign up for a premium fee to gain access to it.
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This is the straw that broke the camels back for me. I shrugged off the fee to change servers and race. Sure you would have to pay to play with friends or switch to a better raiding group but that's no big. I started to get annoyed when they started introducing pets and mounts for money. TotalBiscut summed up my feelings on TRH pretty well*. Access to the AH and your mailbox on your phone for a bit extra was worrying me.

Now they are talking about introducing the option to do dungeons with your RealID friends, yay! Wait, either you or your friend will have to pay for this service? No Blizzard, I will not put up with your pointless fee's that you are charging us here and there. I know they are not mandatory and I know I can still play the game without any of these features but this is slowly paving the way to a monthly game with F2P micro-transactions. To which I have two words, **** off.


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&*********, you know how much we could have made if we charged for the LFD, how do we fix that?" I can easily see this running through someones head.

You have subscription based games and micro-transaction games. Some games even have both, but not at the same time. Faction transfers, realm transfers, completely understandable. Cosmetic items, understandable, but not necessary. The mobile guild chat would be a cool feature, if they didn't charge for it. The mobile AH, that's pushing it. Now this, no.

If you don't want to pay for it, don't. Not paying for the service is a valid option that I don't think anyone will argue with. The problem is that people will pay for it, and it will continue. Certain things like this will continue to pop up and continue to push further into content that should be included with the subscription. I don't think we'll see premium dungeons and raids, but they'll push as close to that edge as possible.

My biggest concern is that this will succeed (Which it's going to) and that other games will start doing it as well.
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1. You will be able to play with old friends from old realms - assuming you haven't forgotten them (Like I have done)
2. You will be able to play with old friends who left your server - assuming they haven't forgotten you.
3. You can meet new people via the LFD tool and /friend them for future runs.

The other use is if you meet someone in real life who's already fairly established on a different server and you want to run dungeons with them. Definitely not worth paying for the privilege, but it could be marginally useful.
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IMO, from a 'making money' point of view, they should keep it fairly cheap. As a cheap/free version could encourage server transfers.

As for the premium-based objections, I'm 'meh' on it. WoW has introduced so many premium based features and changed things so much over the last couple of years. I'm having trouble being bothered by it anymore, as we're already pretty far down that slippery slope. Morbid curiosity will probably keep me interested in seeing how far it goes though.
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If it connects US to EU servers I will pay for it so I can run heroics with Maz and Aeth...
Good luck on that, I have neither the time nor desire to log on, really.
And when I do have the time, it's more fun to just read and post on ZAM.
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At first I thought "ooh, kind of neat but not something I'd use", then I thought "what? Premium service? No way"....


But then I realized that I miss my old guildies who left my server and I have some of them as real id friends still......so, I think if they got it working, I might actually spring for it if it didn't cost much. >.<


Hmm, hadn't thought of that. I have a few friends and an ex on my old server (not with REAL ID though) who I wouldn't mind running dungeons with. I'd just have to figure out how to get a hold of the ones I don't have on facebook. I don't like the idea of paying for the service though, especially since I don't see how it would actually cost Blizz that much to start up this service and keep it going.
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At first I thought "ooh, kind of neat but not something I'd use", then I thought "what? Premium service? No way"....


But then I realized that I miss my old guildies who left my server and I have some of them as real id friends still......so, I think if they got it working, I might actually spring for it if it didn't cost much. >.<


Hmm, hadn't thought of that. I have a few friends and an ex on my old server (not with REAL ID though) who I wouldn't mind running dungeons with. I'd just have to figure out how to get a hold of the ones I don't have on facebook. I don't like the idea of paying for the service though, especially since I don't see how it would actually cost Blizz that much to start up this service and keep it going.


Not to mention that we zammers could run groups too.
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#30 May 18 2011 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
Yeah and that would be really cool. Plus the whole privacy aspect of REAL ID isn't an issue now since the invent of our facebook group. =x
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You guys have a Facebook group? Why does this make me giggle? I imagine you all spamming one another with Farmville updates.
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You guys have a Facebook group? Why does this make me giggle? I imagine you all spamming one another with Farmville updates.


Admit it, you want in.
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Farmville is awful, I only play Bejeweled.

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Farmville is for losers! I very occasionally play Frontierville when I'm bored, but I only got into it for that Game Studies class I took last term. We were required to play it throughout the whole term. Haven't bothered to delete it yet.

Carmen San Diego is pretty fun too, but the facebook game is a lot harder than the old computer game was. I have to google pretty much every location clue because they're so off the wall.
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Farmville is for losers! I very occasionally play Frontierville when I'm bored, but I only got into it for that Game Studies class I took last term. We were required to play it throughout the whole term. Haven't bothered to delete it yet.

Carmen San Diego is pretty fun too, but the facebook game is a lot harder than the old computer game was. I have to google pretty much every location clue because they're so off the wall.


There's a Carmen Sandiego facebook game?!? Excuse me while I cancel my wow account...
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Yup, Oregon Trail one too! :D
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In a time of wide spread disgruntled players introducing a piece of news that further alienates a population of loyal customers is a bad business deal IMO. Here is an idea. If you want to make more money...halve the character transfer service price and watch as business goes way way up. Right now its priced so high that only the wealthy or most desperate will take advantage of it.
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What happened to the ****-storm in a lot of the forums about queue times, lack of tanks/healers, bad dps'ers and how the LFD tool had taken the away the community feeling on servers?
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What happened to the sh*t-storm in a lot of the forums about queue times, lack of tanks/healers, bad dps'ers and how the LFD tool had taken the away the community feeling on servers?
That depends. Blizzard may be assuming that a silent majority enjoys the feature while a vocal minority dislikes those portions, or that while people may enjoy it overall but dislike some parts.

It could also be simply that they feel it's popular because it's constantly being used.
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What happened to the sh*t-storm in a lot of the forums about queue times, lack of tanks/healers, bad dps'ers and how the LFD tool had taken the away the community feeling on servers?
That depends. Blizzard may be assuming that a silent majority enjoys the feature while a vocal minority dislikes those portions, or that while people may enjoy it overall but dislike some parts.

It could also be simply that they feel it's popular because it's constantly being used.

Or they dont give a **** for what gamers think and will keep pushing tools to make money. That sounds good, too.
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IMO, from a 'making money' point of view, they should keep it fairly cheap. As a cheap/free version could encourage server transfers.

As for the premium-based objections, I'm 'meh' on it. WoW has introduced so many premium based features and changed things so much over the last couple of years. I'm having trouble being bothered by it anymore, as we're already pretty far down that slippery slope. Morbid curiosity will probably keep me interested in seeing how far it goes though.


I would assume they would tack it onto the wow remote. They could add the CRLFD and just call the whole thing a premium account in which you pay an extra $2.99 more a month. That's my guess.
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Or they dont give a sh*t for what gamers think and will keep pushing tools to make money. That sounds good, too.
Always a possibility, but I try to be less cynical about this kind of thing, since I'm so cynical about everything else.
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This would be a very nice feature. If I had any friends that is.
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Or they dont give a sh*t for what gamers think and will keep pushing tools to make money. That sounds good, too.

Considering its enormous popularity and how it's completely revolutionized the lower levels of the game (ie, it's actually possible to find a group pre-level-cap now), I'm going to guess that the majority of players like it and it's a vocal minority, as Pold said, who oppose it for the "damage" it's done.
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Or they dont give a sh*t for what gamers think and will keep pushing tools to make money. That sounds good, too.

Considering its enormous popularity and how it's completely revolutionized the lower levels of the game (ie, it's actually possible to find a group pre-level-cap now), I'm going to guess that the majority of players like it and it's a vocal minority, as Pold said, who oppose it for the "damage" it's done.



Overall, I like the dungeon finder. It has its drawbacks, of course. But it has made dungeons far easier to access. Sure I miss some of the community aspects, but on the flipside I like the fact that I now have a very low chance of running with the same idiot ever again. Whereas when I was limited to my realm chances are I'd run into an idiots alt sometime in the future.
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#51 May 20 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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Pretty lame.
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