New Solution to Long Queues in 4.1Follow

No, that's why whatsherface, you know, the Lego Brick, can't be emo. Sparklewing himself can be emo.

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 6:55am by Poldaran

Which, in hindsight, would explain a lot about Mazra.

No, if you were from New Mexico, you'd know that 13 year old girls get in trouble all the time for the beer drinking.

Yeah, I'm going the "This is bullsh*t" route, and I AM a tank.

I actually just felt a good portion of my desire to return to WoW disperse, and it was already kinda minimal...

This bit pissed me off.

You don't give some players special treatment just for playing a certain class. I mean, what the ****? So a Rogue/Mage/Warlock would have to go out and farm their asses off to get those mounts while some scrub tank can just waltz into a dungeon, get carried through and receive it for no other reason than being the unique snowflake?

**** that.

F-bomb quota for today.

I know these forums are all about derailing threads to beer and ****, but can we keep some of them on topic for more than 10 posts. These are still the WoW forums.

I don't how much I like the idea of tanks and sometimes healers getting mounts or pets that dps classes have to spend hours and hours, and in the case of some mounts weeks, to get. At the same time the queue times do need to be delt with and this seems like a good way to do it. I am glad they went with comsetic rewards instead of giving bonus valor/justice points or gear.

I guess it means I need to level my prot paly to get those mounts my hunter can never seem to get.

Frankly I don't really see this speeding up queue times. Pretty much anytime a tank queues it's instant. There are still going to be a lot of dps queuing, this might lower the queue for dps by a few minutes but I really can't see it going from like 30-40 minutes down to like 5-10 minutes.

Another problem dawned on me while talking to a friend who tanks for us. Tanks that normally queue up with 2-3 dps friends/guildies are now going to want to queue by themselves for the bonus rewards. Now I know not everybody is enough of a jerk to leave friends and guildies to queue on their own, but there are plenty who are.

I agree with you.

Sometimes we forget that others come here to find information about the game and might not be following a thread like we do, which would probably make it hell to sift through multi-page threads that go on and off topic every other post. And the off-topic banter has increased recently for some reason. I'm sure we'll get a warning from an admin soon if we keep it up.

I believe Aeth's derail was unintentional, though, and in his defense, there are currently four or five off-topic threads floating around, so, it gets kind of hard to separate them after a while (especially if you've got multiple browser tabs open with the various threads). And while others tried to continue the derail, we managed to rerail it to the original topic fast.

Personally, I'll hold back my derails a bit. It's not fun if it happens all the time. And while I realize that this post is pretty OT as well, I felt that it belonged here as a reply to your request rather than in a separate thread.

I already responded to the topic twice, but let me use this as an excuse to repeat how bad of an idea I think this is.



Well, it's not really about when or how they get the treats, it's the fact that some people get rewarded for doing nothing more or less than other people. Of course, most of the mounts are from heroics which are only doable once a day, unlike random dungeons.

The following is not directed at you, but at the supporters of this idea.

Analogy time:

You've got five kids and they do the dishes for allowance. All five kids are equally good at doing the dishes. Two of your kids suddenly decide that the reward isn't worth the effort, because doing the dishes is boring or stressful. Now, without those two kids, doing the dishes takes forever, so you decide to lure them back by giving them free candy as well as their allowance if they do the dishes. Your three other kids who are already doing the dishes don't get anything. You tell them that their reward is that the dishes are done faster now.

Does this sound like a solid solution? I use the word 'solid' because that's what Blizzard called it.

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 6:20pm by Mazra

Surely it is the dungeonfinder itself that is making people reluctant to tank/heal.

I mean you got jerks in groups before DungeonFinder but randomly throwing a group together from multiple servers with very little reason to be nice unless they actually are is just generating stress for tanks/healers.

I used to happily tank guild groups and runs because I knew they'd forgive me and have a laugh if I screwed up. Strangely the lack of pressure meant that I didn't (not often anyways).

Watching the way groups ran in late WotLK (not done a DF group since) I'm not keen to be on the wrong end of a votekick because some dps pulls aggro. Nor am I wanting to be the only one required and expected to know the instance inside out.

I'm an ex-tank who doesn't any more and I don't think this makes me any more likely to.

As someone said, this will create even more envy between roles.

Playing a Kitty Druid is arguably harder than playing other DPS classes.

Wouldn't that mean I'm entitled to free stuff if I do a random dungeon?

But the people who get these rewards won’t be doing the same thing as the people who don’t. They’ll be tanking, which is apparently less than 1/3 as popular as DPSing.

To fill a job that not enough people are willing to do at the salary you’re offering, a sensible response is to raise the salary until enough people are willing to do it.

Ah, but if you're hiring someone to do the same as four others and then give that person a raise, you'd have to raise the salaries of the others as well. Parity and all that, right?

Unless, of course, you think that tanking/healing job requires more effort than the damaging job? In which case I'd point to various easy tanking classes and hard DPS classes, add a little avoiding of flames and sprinkle it with a bit of aggro/target management.

It's easy being a bad DPS, but it's also very, very easy to be a bad healer/tank. The good and bad of one side is being rewarded while the good and bad of another side is getting nothing. Makes no sense to a dirty Communist European like me.