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#52 May 27 2009 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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I still brood over the fact they're doing moonkins at a later time...

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But, like I said over in the druid thread. Congrats to the feral druids!


I'm with arex on this one my druid will always be boomkin but might try out feral as a second spec when i buy dualspec for her and get some starting feral gear.
#53 May 27 2009 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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#54 May 27 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
Horde Bears ( In my Opinion ) are still beter now lets hope we dont get a Ugly Cat thx gyphon
#55 May 27 2009 at 2:59 PM Rating: Default
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I hate to be the pooper here ...

But this is the long-awaited Druid forms upgrade???

As someone who is currently a 78 Nelf Druid and has a 70 Tauren Druid w/ over 70 days /played, I feel that this is way too little, too late.

Tied to skin tone? Tied to hair color? Seems like a convenient workaround to actually creating an interface.

The models are fugly. I'd pick the old one over just about any of them. They aren't tied to items or achievements, and are thus no better than the original forms. Part of the original complaint was that feral druids have no way to differentiate themselves - no customization through armor/items. This does not fix that. At all.

Don't get me wrong. This isn't very important in the grand scheme of things ... But for what it is, it sucks.
#56 May 27 2009 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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Part of the original complaint was that feral druids have no way to differentiate themselves - no customization through armor/items. This does not fix that. At all.


I'm hoping this is a temporary partial measure. They are I hope going to do something to allow gear to impact Moonkin and Tree forms I am guessing they will extend that code to the feral ones when they implement them.

But ya I kinda agree. It will be nice to have some option but it is kind of like giving a starving man a hot dog when you could of given him a steak.
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#57 May 27 2009 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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The models are fugly. I'd pick the old one over just about any of them.


Eh, the new ones have a nice poly increase and they remove the weird face of the NE bear; I'd take them over ye olde bear, but I'd rather they stuck to markings. Makes the druid feel less wild to have dangly bits all over the place.
#58 May 27 2009 at 4:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Tauren bear forms were absolutely gorgeous...the Night Elf ones? Not quite so impressive. I don't know what I was expecting, but /shrug.

I'm not even sure I have a favorite--all five are kind of meh. They're not ugly or horrible, but they don't make me happy in the pants either.

I was all excited to roll beartank with my baby druid when I saw the Taurens yesterday, now I'm not so sure. Smiley: frown

#59 May 27 2009 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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You know what bothers me? And is a silly thing to fixate on?

The Horde bears get to have eyebrows.

It's a standard Disney trick, because trying to animate something without eyebrows and have it display an emotion human beings can clearly understand is damned difficult. Between that and the fact Horde bears have eyes complete with iris and pupil, they just appear more alive.

But in the end I'm really just happy they toned down that ridiculous snarl.



Edited, May 27th 2009 10:12pm by Zemzelette
#60 May 27 2009 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
Something's wrong here - the Horde bear is really sharp while the Ally bear is lame as heck - its always the other way around - what went wrong?
#61 May 27 2009 at 8:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Something's wrong here - the Horde bear is really sharp while the Ally bear is lame as heck - its always the other way around - what went wrong?


Nono, Alliance cat has always been better. Horde gets better bears.

I <3 Horde bears.

Edited, May 27th 2009 9:42pm by isyris
#62 May 28 2009 at 1:26 AM Rating: Good
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Nono, Alliance cat has always been better. Horde gets better bears.

I'm just hoping they keep to that formula. I'm also somewhat underwhelmed by the Nelf bear. It's an improvement over the original, and I'll take any added customisation I can get, but there's no comparison, the Tauren are much better.

That being said, they are based on hair colour, and have you actually taken time to see the range of colours Night Elves have. We get white and dark blue, which are pretty decent (I actually chose the dark blue because it already closest matched my kittyform) but then we get pink, purple and varying shades of green, not really great colour choices to base an animal on. Tauren on the other hand get lots of nice browns and blacks.

I quite like the blue bear with the white hair, but I will be picking my night Elf's hair colour based on whichever cat skin I like most.

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Part of the original complaint was that feral druids have no way to differentiate themselves - no customization through armor/items. This does not fix that. At all.

How so? Before, the only distinction was by race. Every single Night Elf Druid would look the same. Now they won't. I get what you're saying, but I disagree, this is a good first step in fixing that problem. It remains to be seen if Blizz follow this up and add full customisation, but for now, I'm happy with the fact I feel I at least have some control over how my feral forms look. It adds some much needed personality to the toon.
#63 May 28 2009 at 3:58 AM Rating: Excellent
They've openly stated that they are continuing to work on further ways to make the Druid forms unique, ie. working on a way to make armor/gear somehow contribute to the visual of the Druid Form.

I, too, am a little disappointed in the N.elf Bear forms. However, as mentioned, Alliance cat form has always beaten out Horde cat form so I'm hoping this fact remains true and Alli-kitty's are fantastic. And ultimately, the more I think about it, the more urked I am that their official stance on Moonkin & Tree forms is "That's later down the road". I would have preferred they waited until all forms could be updated in the same patch.

This is, for the most part, a bandaid fix. I was just hoping for a larger, more substantial bandaid. Druids have long demanded new forms, and it seems they may be rushing through rebuilding the models (poly count, etc) to ease some complaints. Regardless, I'm happy for the changes, and welcome them. Anything new is better than the old, IMHO...and every Druid should be thankful Blizz is at least taking the time to make the changes happen. I just really think Blizz should have sat back, finished all the models & animations (for all forms), and put some time/thought/effort into more than just the visual portion (ie. armor/gear mechanics) before releasing them. Druids everywhere would have rejoiced, but instead the caster forms are going to complain endlessly until they get their models, and overall people are going to want to know about any type of future scaling that affects the visuals.

*crosses fingers for uber kitty models*
#64 May 28 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
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I'm actually a lot disappointed in the NE bears. Are they better than the original, in my opinion? Definitely.

But some of the things about them... sucks.

For one, they all still have those stupid side-burns. Seriously, what is up with that?

And, like others have said, the pupils of the Tauren bear give it a lot of... life. In a way, it almost makes them look wise and gentle, but hard and immovable.

I wish they had given them some kind of prominent brow or something. And it would have been cool if they gave them some kind of antlers, or something, to be more like a NE Druid.

And I hate that the markings look like scars.

But, all in all, they are at least an improvement.

I'm excited to see the cats.
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#65 May 28 2009 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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And it would have been cool if they gave them some kind of antlers, or something, to be more like a NE Druid.

Your NE Druid has antlers?!

I don't really think the model needs antlers, I'm not really decided on the face markings. I wouldnt mind if there was some way for my NE to have equivalent marks on his face in humanoid form, but I think it's to tie in with the markings female NEs have (My Druid is male though)

While I agree with the eye comments to an extent, I like how they're trying to make the animal forms tied in at least a little with the humanoid forms. Night Elf eyes have no pupils and glow gold so I'm quite happy with that being a holdover to the animal forms. I particularly like it with the current kittyform when you stealth in the dark and all you can see are those eyes.

I'm just really hoping they use the riding cat model as a base rather than the lynx this time.

Edited, May 28th 2009 6:10pm by Rasen
#66 May 28 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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I hate to be the pooper here ...

The models are fugly. I'd pick the old one over just about any of them. They aren't tied to items or achievements, and are thus no better than the original forms. Part of the original complaint was that feral druids have no way to differentiate themselves - no customization through armor/items. This does not fix that. At all.


Yeah a bear for that could wear armor would be pretty awesome. Same for all forms.

http://www.guildwars.com/images/concepts/concept-036-page.jpg

http://www.spawnpoint.com/uploads/images/i10808.jpg (except with the actual cat form of course...)

Edited, May 28th 2009 3:16pm by KTurner
#67 May 28 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Your NE Druid has antlers?!

I don't really think the model needs antlers, I'm not really decided on the face markings. I wouldnt mind if there was some way for my NE to have equivalent marks on his face in humanoid form, but I think it's to tie in with the markings female NEs have (My Druid is male though)


Antlers was supposed to be a nod to NE Druids, not necessarily the player ones. And I agree the markings are probably from the females.

That's just an idea though. I imagine Blizz could make something much better.

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While I agree with the eye comments to an extent, I like how they're trying to make the animal forms tied in at least a little with the humanoid forms. Night Elf eyes have no pupils and glow gold so I'm quite happy with that being a holdover to the animal forms. I particularly like it with the current kittyform when you stealth in the dark and all you can see are those eyes.


You just reminded me of something that has always irked me, lol. In lore, the vast majority of NEs have silver eyes and those with gold eyes, like Malfurion, are said to have great destinies.

But, all Male NEs in WoW have Gold eyes. >.< And it is the NPCs, too, so it isn't just like the PCs are supposed to be "heroes."

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I'm just really hoping they use the riding cat model as a base rather than the lynx this time.


I'm hoping for a completely new model, but I'm not getting my hopes up. As long as the Tauren cat doesn't look like the ridiculous Final Fantasy behemoth-thing, I'll probably be happy with them.

I'm excited for the ToL and Boomkin forms, though. I'd love to be a tree that has a theme like the magical forests in Crystalsong or covered in some crazy flowers.
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#68 May 28 2009 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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So if I were able design the new moonkin form. It would look something like this...

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I hope this worked, if not many edits are in mine and your future!

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http://www.guildwars.com/images/concepts/concept-036-page.jpg


It's obvious that bear is a warrior. He's using commanding shout.

Edited, May 28th 2009 5:37pm by ArexLovesPie
#69 May 28 2009 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious ArexLovesPie wrote:
So if I were able design the new moonkin form. It would look something like this...

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Tree Form?
#70 May 28 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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You just reminded me of something that has always irked me, lol. In lore, the vast majority of NEs have silver eyes and those with gold eyes, like Malfurion, are said to have great destinies.


I guess they figured gold looked more masculine. They could probably explain it away with something about the effect of two world trees or some ****, as gold eyes are linked to druidism.
#71 May 28 2009 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Tree Form?


Thats a pretty trendy druid wearing his GAP shirt.

#72 May 28 2009 at 2:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your NE Druid has antlers?!

I don't really think the model needs antlers, I'm not really decided on the face markings. I wouldnt mind if there was some way for my NE to have equivalent marks on his face in humanoid form, but I think it's to tie in with the markings female NEs have (My Druid is male though)


Antlers was supposed to be a nod to NE Druids, not necessarily the player ones. And I agree the markings are probably from the females.


I could be way off on this, but in Warcraft 3 wasn't Malfurion shown with some kind of face paint or markings or something?

Also, WTB antlers for my NE druid. Gonna have the hubby run me through Ony's if I eve hit 60 on her.

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While I agree with the eye comments to an extent, I like how they're trying to make the animal forms tied in at least a little with the humanoid forms. Night Elf eyes have no pupils and glow gold so I'm quite happy with that being a holdover to the animal forms. I particularly like it with the current kittyform when you stealth in the dark and all you can see are those eyes.


You just reminded me of something that has always irked me, lol. In lore, the vast majority of NEs have silver eyes and those with gold eyes, like Malfurion, are said to have great destinies.

But, all Male NEs in WoW have Gold eyes. >.< And it is the NPCs, too, so it isn't just like the PCs are supposed to be "heroes."


Totally agree on this. It's weird to begin with that their eyes are different than the females', and after I did some more reading the yellow eyes just really started to bug me. There should at least be different eye color options with the different faces...

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I'm just really hoping they use the riding cat model as a base rather than the lynx this time.


I'm hoping for a completely new model, but I'm not getting my hopes up. As long as the Tauren cat doesn't look like the ridiculous Final Fantasy behemoth-thing, I'll probably be happy with them.

I'm excited for the ToL and Boomkin forms, though. I'd love to be a tree that has a theme like the magical forests in Crystalsong or covered in some crazy flowers.


It seems like with the Bear forms they tried to stick pretty close to the previous look/feel, so I don't know about a completely different model. I kind of like my purple lynx. Smiley: tongue A tiger like the new ghostie ones (is that model used anywhere else? I tend to only pay attention to tamable beasties) would be great though. I hope there's a wide variety of patterns to choose from as well as colors, though--spots, stripes, whatever, something more than just solid colors!

Once we see the cat forms I think we'll have a better feel for what they're planning for tree/moonkin forms. Bears are kinda plain-colored naturally, but with cats there is so much room for variety. If the kitties are plain, I won't have much hope for the tree form having all kinds of crazy variations.
#73 May 28 2009 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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It would be great if, on top of colors, you could choose from a variety of tree types. Like, palm/cherry/willow/oak.

Things could get interesting. XD
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#74 May 28 2009 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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The best moonkin form would obviously have to be either the Phaser from Star Trek, or a Velociraptor, but instead of spitting poison we'd spit moonfire and insect swarms.
#75 May 28 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
What about a raptor for cat form which, when dash is activated, puts on a pair of rocket skates?
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