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#1 Feb 18 2009 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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As most of us will have noted, a lot of lore, names and places found in WoW's latest expansion are in some way altered versions of things in norse mythology. One may for example have noticed that the name of the last boss in the Halls of Lightning, Loken, is actually quite close to Loki, a god in norse mythology which becomes more evil as the years pass and who is a nephew to Odin. As a post in the topic about Ulduar got me interested enough to look up some additional information about Norse mythology, it became clear to me just how many names have been pretty much copied by Blizz. For your reading pleasure and because I can, I've looked up and sorted out a couple of them in this post;


Gjalerbron is an undead/Vrykul base of operations in northern Howling Fjord. Its name is probably related to the 'Gjallarhorn', which is the instrument the god Heimdal (who is comparable to Hermes, for those of us who know Roman/Greek mythology) uses to pass on information to the mortal world.

Nifflevar, a Vrykul village in south-eastern Howling Fjord seems to me to be a play on Niffleheim, which is the Norse underworld. Alternatively, the capital of the Sons of Hodir faction (Note that Hodr is a Norse god as well) named Dun Niffelem is also a possible play on this.

Utgarde Keep, the HF instance, seems pretty much literally taken from Utgard or Utgardar. The Utgardar are the lands surrounding a specific giant stronghold. And while we're on it; in Norse mythology the gods seem to be the protagonists with the 'giants' as antagonists. Loki, which I've mentioned earlier, actually more or less jests his fellow gods until he goes too far and is punished for his sins. He also ends up marrying a giant. One of the three children to come out of that marriage is Jorgmungandr, which is said to be a monstrous snake large enough to surround the entire world (which is called Yggdrasil by the way, a name of which I'm sure I've seen it before as well). Of course it's easy to make Jormungar out of Jorgmunganrd, which is the race of worms that are in a couple of quests referred to as 'sons of Loken'. While we're on it, note that Loken's brother and mortal enemy Thorim (Thor) sends you off on a quest to regain is hammer Krolmir (While Thor's hammer was named Mjölnir). Thorim's wife is named Sif, which is literally the name of the wife of Thor. In one of the quest lines involving Thorim, he mentions seeing a 'glance of Sif's hair' - the norse Sif had golden hairs.

Then there's Valkyrion (A village in south-western Storm Peaks) and the Lich King's 'Val'kyrs', which are both obvious references to the Valkyri, winged maidens who'se task it is to choose who dies on the battlefield and who lives - those who die are to become servants of the gods. And as we swap over to Icecrown we see the villages Ymirheim (Ilmr was a Norse goddess of which very little is known) and Jotunheim, the latter actually being close to Jötunheimr, which is the 'plane' the giants live in - Jötun actually means 'giant'. This place also serves as a place of trial for Vrykul; they fight eachother to the death to see who among them is found worthy to join the Lich Kings legions. The winners of this trial are named the 'Ymirjar' - the warriors picked to die by the Valkyr to serve as servants of the gods are named Einherjar.

Last but not least, there's Skadi and Ingvar, two bosses in Utgarde Keep. Skadi is also a giant and ex-wife to the god Njördr, while "Vár" is the godess associated with oaths and agreements - ironically enough, Ingvar is the one to announce the news of the Vrykul/Scourge alliance to the horde in a quest chain around Vengeance Landing, and possibly the sealer of this bond as well (seeing as the Vrykul's other proper leader King Ymiron is still 'asleep' by the time this announcement is made). Additionally, Ingvar is also the one to have made a deal with the devil; once you kill him in UK, he gets ressurrected by an undead Val'kyr to fight once more.


While I'm sure I missed some, it was interesting to see what came out of Blizzard's mixing machine when Norse mythology was thrown into it. They seem to indeed have done some decent research on this.
#2 Feb 18 2009 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
There's also Loken, who's Thorim's deceptive and lying brother... kind like Loki.

Edited, Feb 18th 2009 12:01pm by Tyrandor
#3 Feb 18 2009 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
Freya, watcher of life = Freyja, goddess of fertility.

Hodir = Höðr
#4 Feb 18 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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There's also Loken, who's Thorim's deceptive and lying brother... kind like Loki.


Think the OP covered that with -

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the last boss in the Halls of Lightning, Loken, is actually quite close to Loki, a god in norse mythology which becomes more evil as the years pass and who is a nephew to Odin
#5 Feb 18 2009 at 10:14 AM Rating: Excellent
my liking of Norse Mythology (well all mythology) is the main reason i totally love Northrend.

Its awesome how Blizz has used mythology in WoW.
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#6 Feb 18 2009 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Mozared wrote:
And as we swap over to Icecrown we see the villages Ymirheim (Ilmr was a Norse goddess of which very little is known)


Also - Ymir was the first giant. He was brought into being by Adhumla, the Cow whose liscking of the salt created by the interaction of Fire & Frost brought him forth. Ymir was later killed by Odin & his brothers and his body / bones / blood went into the making of Midgard (Earth).

Ilove all the Norse Mythology references myself.
#7 Feb 18 2009 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm, I was connecting Hodir to Odin myself. I don't know much about Hodr (I can't do the ascii chars for some reason), but they seem to idolise Hodir as a straight god and creator, more like they honor Odin.
#8 Feb 19 2009 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
Mozared wrote:
As most of us will have noted, a lot of lore, names and places found in WoW's latest expansion are in some way altered versions of things in norse mythology. One may for example have noticed that the name of the last boss in the Halls of Lightning, Loken, is actually quite close to Loki, a god in norse mythology which becomes more evil as the years pass and who is a nephew to Odin. As a post in the topic about Ulduar got me interested enough to look up some additional information about Norse mythology, it became clear to me just how many names have been pretty much copied by Blizz. For your reading pleasure and because I can, I've looked up and sorted out a couple of them in this post;


Gjalerbron is an undead/Vrykul base of operations in northern Howling Fjord. Its name is probably related to the 'Gjallarhorn', which is the instrument the god Heimdal (who is comparable to Hermes, for those of us who know Roman/Greek mythology) uses to pass on information to the mortal world.

Nifflevar, a Vrykul village in south-eastern Howling Fjord seems to me to be a play on Niffleheim, which is the Norse underworld. Alternatively, the capital of the Sons of Hodir faction (Note that Hodr is a Norse god as well) named Dun Niffelem is also a possible play on this.

Utgarde Keep, the HF instance, seems pretty much literally taken from Utgard or Utgardar. The Utgardar are the lands surrounding a specific giant stronghold. And while we're on it; in Norse mythology the gods seem to be the protagonists with the 'giants' as antagonists. Loki, which I've mentioned earlier, actually more or less jests his fellow gods until he goes too far and is punished for his sins. He also ends up marrying a giant. One of the three children to come out of that marriage is Jorgmungandr, which is said to be a monstrous snake large enough to surround the entire world (which is called Yggdrasil by the way, a name of which I'm sure I've seen it before as well). Of course it's easy to make Jormungar out of Jorgmunganrd, which is the race of worms that are in a couple of quests referred to as 'sons of Loken'. While we're on it, note that Loken's brother and mortal enemy Thorim (Thor) sends you off on a quest to regain is hammer Krolmir (While Thor's hammer was named Mjölnir). Thorim's wife is named Sif, which is literally the name of the wife of Thor. In one of the quest lines involving Thorim, he mentions seeing a 'glance of Sif's hair' - the norse Sif had golden hairs.

Then there's Valkyrion (A village in south-western Storm Peaks) and the Lich King's 'Val'kyrs', which are both obvious references to the Valkyri, winged maidens who'se task it is to choose who dies on the battlefield and who lives - those who die are to become servants of the gods. And as we swap over to Icecrown we see the villages Ymirheim (Ilmr was a Norse goddess of which very little is known) and Jotunheim, the latter actually being close to Jötunheimr, which is the 'plane' the giants live in - Jötun actually means 'giant'. This place also serves as a place of trial for Vrykul; they fight eachother to the death to see who among them is found worthy to join the Lich Kings legions. The winners of this trial are named the 'Ymirjar' - the warriors picked to die by the Valkyr to serve as servants of the gods are named Einherjar.

Last but not least, there's Skadi and Ingvar, two bosses in Utgarde Keep. Skadi is also a giant and ex-wife to the god Njördr, while "Vár" is the godess associated with oaths and agreements - ironically enough, Ingvar is the one to announce the news of the Vrykul/Scourge alliance to the horde in a quest chain around Vengeance Landing, and possibly the sealer of this bond as well (seeing as the Vrykul's other proper leader King Ymiron is still 'asleep' by the time this announcement is made). Additionally, Ingvar is also the one to have made a deal with the devil; once you kill him in UK, he gets ressurrected by an undead Val'kyr to fight once more.


While I'm sure I missed some, it was interesting to see what came out of Blizzard's mixing machine when Norse mythology was thrown into it. They seem to indeed have done some decent research on this.


Some slight errors in your post. The Norse underworld is Niflheim, not Niffleheim.

Ymirheim (literally Ymir's home) is not a reference to Ilmr but instead to Ymir, the father of the giants.

Edited, Feb 19th 2009 8:06pm by Lorimath
#9 Feb 19 2009 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Funny thing is, I was in a guild that kicked me because I said The Avatar of Freya was a needy person. Apparently that person was a selective pagan, which I found funny. Pretty crazy since I'm Norwegian-Irish. Anyway..

I love the references to Norse mythology in the expansion.
#10 Feb 19 2009 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
Some others:

Garm - southern area in Storm Peaks with a constant assault against K3

In mythology, Garm was a large dog associated with Ragnarok and said to guard Hel, the land of the dead (named after the Goddess Hel). Garm is also the stage name of the singer for the Norwegian experimental band Ulver (Wolves) but I doubt Blizzard are Ulver fans.

Also I would say that Ingvar, when killed, was a deliberate perversion of the Valkyrie story with Ingvar playing the role of a scourge Einherjar.

If someone could find a reference to Fenrisulfr I'd be appreciative.

Edited, Feb 19th 2009 8:13pm by Lorimath
#11 Feb 19 2009 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Lorimath wrote:
Some others:

If someone could find a reference to Fenrisulfr I'd be appreciative.


Fenrisulfr is a reference to Fenris Ulf (Wolf). Fenris is one of the 3 monstrous children that Loki had. The gods feared Fenris as he grew so fast. They tricked him, faking a test of strength to see if Fenris could break out of a special chain. He didn't trust the gods so he only agreed to the test if Tyr would place his hand in Fenris' mouth, which Tyr did. When Fenris found he had been tricked, he bit off Tyr's hand.

Fenris eventually escapes and returns at Ragnarok - he and Odin fight and Fenris kills Odin. Odin is avenged by his son Vidar.
#12 Feb 19 2009 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
Moonotaur wrote:
Lorimath wrote:
Some others:

If someone could find a reference to Fenrisulfr I'd be appreciative.


Fenrisulfr is a reference to Fenris Ulf (Wolf). Fenris is one of the 3 monstrous children that Loki had. The gods feared Fenris as he grew so fast. They tricked him, faking a test of strength to see if Fenris could break out of a special chain. He didn't trust the gods so he only agreed to the test if Tyr would place his hand in Fenris' mouth, which Tyr did. When Fenris found he had been tricked, he bit off Tyr's hand.

Fenris eventually escapes and returns at Ragnarok - he and Odin fight and Fenris kills Odin. Odin is avenged by his son Vidar.


No, I know what Fenrisulfr is in Norse mythology, I was asking for a reference in WoW.
#13 Feb 20 2009 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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all the norse stuff was 75% of the reason i was looking forward to wotlk.

re: fenrir, there's always been fenrus the devourer in sfk is

and running through the alpha worg questline in howling fjord there's some more references, iirc. something about getting the eye from the eagle is ringing a bell...

Edited, Feb 20th 2009 7:28pm by axhed
#14 Feb 20 2009 at 4:38 PM Rating: Good
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I much enjoy WOTLK, am a fan of Norse Mythology so I feel right at home. Seeing as my mage's name is Tiu Fenris, especially. Tiu is an anglo-saxon version of Tyr, as said above, the god who volunteered to put his hand into Fenrir's mouth while they bound him. Even did a storytelling of Fenrir in my Children's Lit class last year.

Has anyone found Fenrir's siblings yet? The Midgard Serpent Jormungand, and the goddess of death Hel? Or his mother the giantess Angrboda?

Edot: Reply to above: Odin's animal is an Eagle, I believe, and he only has one eye. And a whole lot of other long story.

Edited, Feb 20th 2009 7:39pm by AnaraWarren
#15 Feb 20 2009 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
For Fenrir you have Fenris Isle and Fenris Keep.
#16 Feb 20 2009 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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AnaraWarren wrote:
I much enjoy WOTLK, am a fan of Norse Mythology so I feel right at home. Seeing as my mage's name is Tiu Fenris, especially. Tiu is an anglo-saxon version of Tyr, as said above, the god who volunteered to put his hand into Fenrir's mouth while they bound him. Even did a storytelling of Fenrir in my Children's Lit class last year.

Has anyone found Fenrir's siblings yet? The Midgard Serpent Jormungand, and the goddess of death Hel? Or his mother the giantess Angrboda?

Edot: Reply to above: Odin's animal is an Eagle, I believe, and he only has one eye. And a whole lot of other long story.

Edited, Feb 20th 2009 7:39pm by AnaraWarren


I think there is an Angrboda in the game somewhere?

Name sounds very familiar.

And as pointed out earlier, the Jormungands (the snakes involved in the SoH quests) are there.
#17 Feb 20 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Default
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Taking bets on a Mjolnir dropping in Ulduar?
#18 Feb 20 2009 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
Taking bets on a Mjolnir dropping in Ulduar?


Better drop off Thorim.
#19 Feb 21 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Lorimath wrote:
EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
Taking bets on a Mjolnir dropping in Ulduar?


Better drop off Thorim.

i would prolly put my face right through this old laptop screen.

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#20 Feb 21 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Lorimath wrote:
Garm was a large dog associated with Ragnarok and said to guard Hel, the land of the dead (named after the Goddess Hel). Garm is also the stage name of the singer for the Norwegian experimental band Ulver (Wolves) but I doubt Blizzard are Ulver fans.


That could be where they got the name for the Wolvar from, unless there's a myth there that I'm not aware of?
#21 Feb 21 2009 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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I think there is an Angrboda in the game somewhere?


Isn't that the wife of King Ymiron?

Edited, Feb 21st 2009 6:34pm by GodOfMoo
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