Someone suggested that you scare the kid by describing his house and stuff, but that would just get you on one of those Dateline "how to catch a predetor" shows
I would have blackmailed the kid and stole his lunch money. :P
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likeaninja....
Nah...
This way I got a clean stable(a nasty job if you know anything about animals.)
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I got to keep my daughter from seeing this kid...for a while.
Lunch money can't buy things like that.
<back to eagerly waiting for 2.4>
Nah...
This way I got a clean stable(a nasty job if you know anything about animals.)
&
I got to keep my daughter from seeing this kid...for a while.
Lunch money can't buy things like that.
<back to eagerly waiting for 2.4>
For those of you who disagree with the OP's action, you must be concerned about the same consequence befalling you. There is nothing wrong with telling someone you think they are rude. In fact, I have done it, when some dipwad came up and skinned the corpse of something I had just killed while I was still standing there, trying to skin it. I simply sent them a tell saying "It's rude to skin someone else's kill like that, you should at least wait to see if they are going to skin it." I got no reply, nor was I expecting one, at least not anything polite. However, maybe, just maybe, I told them something they hadn't thought about.
A lot of kids play this game. Apparently, quite a few of them have parents with no clue how their kids are acting online. And the anonymity of being on the internet, as also previously stated, can sometimes bring out the worst in people. They think, because no one knows them, they can say and do whatever they want. It's every man/woman for themselves, and I don't care that it took you 15 minutes to clear, I'm gonna run up and kill the named. Sarcasm is not different than rudeness, either. "Oh by all means, glad I could clear for you" is rude. If it's an accident, you didn't see them clearing (yes, it could happen, I've done it) that's one thing. But how do you know it was an accident if you don't say something? Maybe by saying something, they will become more aware of their surroundings.
If not, oh well, at least I tried, but if I could do what the OP did, you bet your butt I would. I know quite a few people who play WoW, and their kids. I don't think they'd take kindly to hearing that, because I told their kid I thought they were rude, they started swearing at me and questioning my sexual preferences. I'm pretty sure they'd be pissed, and if it was my kid, they'd be banned from playing for at least a week. At least. Anonymity is no excuse for being an asshat. Karma will get you, eventually. In this case, it just happened sooner than later.
A lot of kids play this game. Apparently, quite a few of them have parents with no clue how their kids are acting online. And the anonymity of being on the internet, as also previously stated, can sometimes bring out the worst in people. They think, because no one knows them, they can say and do whatever they want. It's every man/woman for themselves, and I don't care that it took you 15 minutes to clear, I'm gonna run up and kill the named. Sarcasm is not different than rudeness, either. "Oh by all means, glad I could clear for you" is rude. If it's an accident, you didn't see them clearing (yes, it could happen, I've done it) that's one thing. But how do you know it was an accident if you don't say something? Maybe by saying something, they will become more aware of their surroundings.
If not, oh well, at least I tried, but if I could do what the OP did, you bet your butt I would. I know quite a few people who play WoW, and their kids. I don't think they'd take kindly to hearing that, because I told their kid I thought they were rude, they started swearing at me and questioning my sexual preferences. I'm pretty sure they'd be pissed, and if it was my kid, they'd be banned from playing for at least a week. At least. Anonymity is no excuse for being an asshat. Karma will get you, eventually. In this case, it just happened sooner than later.
#55REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 26 2008 at 7:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Maybe it's just me but when stuff happens in game I dont relate it to RL.
Kavekk wrote:
I'm siding with the kid on this one.
Yeah, he was being a Richard, but on the internet your actions aren't meant to have real life consequences. Just like if you die in Canada you don't die in real life.
Yeah, he was being a Richard, but on the internet your actions aren't meant to have real life consequences. Just like if you die in Canada you don't die in real life.
I disagree. The internet is not a fantasy place where you can be the biggest toolbox ever because there no reprocussions.
When you are caught, like this kid, you obviously realize you were being a douchebag and will think twice about not acting appropriately.
Mind you a large portion of the interwebs are anon, this is a great example of someone getting what they deserved.
/ru
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The internet is not a fantasy place where you can be the biggest toolbox ever because there no reprocussions
But WoW is a fantasy world
Its a
- Role
he was playing a role and i dont think should have had an effect on his real life.
I know this is an extreme example...but do you get in trouble for killing people in WOW?
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 12:13pm by likeaninja
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Its a
Role
Playing game.
You forgot something, last I heard WoW isn't only an RPG it's an MMORPG. Massively MULTI PLAYER Online RPG. That means you have to interact with people.
Greater Internet Theory
Just about sums it up I think. Just because its a role playing game doesn't mean you have to act like a complete *****
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 12:42pm by Buckfinstein
Just about sums it up I think. Just because its a role playing game doesn't mean you have to act like a complete *****
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 12:42pm by Buckfinstein
#60REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 26 2008 at 8:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Didn't your mother tell you no one likes tattle tells??
Uthelmar wrote:
Didn't your mother tell you no one likes tattle tales??
FTFY
And no... she didn't, and I don't care. So *raspberry*
KassandrahKnight wrote:
There is nothing wrong with telling someone you think they are rude.
Actually there is. By saying "I thnk you are rude" you are essentially dismissing that person and giving them no way out. It's a personal attack and a conversation-killer.
By commenting on the action that the person has taken "I think taking that quest without inviting me first was rude" is less personal. It immediately shows a way of improving how things are done for the future and leaves the conversation much more open.
#63REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 26 2008 at 9:20 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) reread this a few time, you (op) went too far. While not as severe this reminds me of the stories where someone goes and finds another person in real life over some silly dispute like corpse camping or ninjaing some sword.
I can't believe so many people can't see anything wrong with the complete and utter disrespect this kid showed to someone he (thought) he didn't even know. He got his just desserts imo.
#65REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 26 2008 at 9:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't get me wrong, the kid seems like a prick, but deal with it in game, you start bringing **** to real life and things get out of hand.
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I see nothing wrong with what this guy did. If the kid was rude to him on the street, I would expect him to go tell the kid's parents (and he should). Just because this happened online makes no difference.
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I see nothing wrong with what this guy did. If the kid was rude to him on the street, I would expect him to go tell the kid's parents (and he should). Just because this happened online makes no difference
I disagree. There is a chain of authority you should attempt to follow. If a teenager smashes your mailbox you don't call the FBI and CIA you call the local police. If someone misbehaves in the game you put in a ticket with a GM and it gets handled. OR even better you grow the **** up and just put him on ignore when it first starts.
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This goes on for a while(his profanity and my chuckling),
You were just letting it go and taking the abuse for your own amusement then you realized who it was and all of a sudden it is an offense worthy of escalating.
Ask yourself this, what if it wasn't your neighbor? would you have made attempts to find out the account owners parents and contacted them? NO. you have some beef with this kid and made it personal.
There is no rule in WoW that says you have to be a polite person to everyone around you.
For all he knew you were some 15 year old punk like he was.
Again....most of the people who are supporting this action are forgetting this is fantasy...as in not real life. Who cares if some kid makes fun of you, or ganks you or corpse camps you for a hour. If he had been of the opposite faction what would you have done...told him he was rude....ganked him a few times...or would you have gone crying to his daddy?
If you had come knocking on my door when i was 15 and told my parents i swore at you they would tell you to get a f-ing life. If I was that kid I would burn your sh*t filled stables to the ground
Also thinking your justifying yourself by saying you were disrespected is bull. You already admitted you were out to get him so he would stay away from your daughter. Grow up.....remember what happened to Romeo & Juliet when there parents got involved
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 1:44pm by likeaninja
For all he knew you were some 15 year old punk like he was.
Again....most of the people who are supporting this action are forgetting this is fantasy...as in not real life. Who cares if some kid makes fun of you, or ganks you or corpse camps you for a hour. If he had been of the opposite faction what would you have done...told him he was rude....ganked him a few times...or would you have gone crying to his daddy?
If you had come knocking on my door when i was 15 and told my parents i swore at you they would tell you to get a f-ing life. If I was that kid I would burn your sh*t filled stables to the ground
Also thinking your justifying yourself by saying you were disrespected is bull. You already admitted you were out to get him so he would stay away from your daughter. Grow up.....remember what happened to Romeo & Juliet when there parents got involved
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 1:44pm by likeaninja
likeaninja wrote:
remember what happened to Romeo & Juliet when their parents got involved
That situation was due to lack of communication.
That is true, but if their parents had let them be together they would have stayed alive.
Basically, the OP found it funny until he realized he new the kid. The kid found it funny until he realized the OP new him. Then the wheels started turning and the OP decided to expoit the situation to get back at a kid who is interested in his daughter.
If I called you names on the street in RL, what would you do? Everyone is caught up in the fact that it was a kid. What if it was your neighbor and not his kid who called you names?
You cant change the fact that you took something from the land of fantasy into the land of reality......most people who do that are on medication and live in padded rooms
Basically, the OP found it funny until he realized he new the kid. The kid found it funny until he realized the OP new him. Then the wheels started turning and the OP decided to expoit the situation to get back at a kid who is interested in his daughter.
If I called you names on the street in RL, what would you do? Everyone is caught up in the fact that it was a kid. What if it was your neighbor and not his kid who called you names?
You cant change the fact that you took something from the land of fantasy into the land of reality......most people who do that are on medication and live in padded rooms
Kudos to merorles and everyone else who pulls kids out of the anonymous abyss of the internet. Too often we hear about tragedy where kids doing things anonymously and pretending to be tough and grown-up results in something terrible happening. They're kids. They do not have a right to privacy, they do not have a right to do whatever they please, and they need to learn that poor choices have consequences.
When I chucked eggs at a neighbor's house, said neighbor told my old man. I got my **** beat, and guess what? I never egged another house. If I had launched into an expletive-filled tirade against ANY adult when I was pre-16, I would have been grounded or worse. There's certainly no way I'm going to tolerate it from my kids, and I hope that when they get to that point that there are people willing to let me know when they've done something wrong.
/rant off. Peace!
When I chucked eggs at a neighbor's house, said neighbor told my old man. I got my **** beat, and guess what? I never egged another house. If I had launched into an expletive-filled tirade against ANY adult when I was pre-16, I would have been grounded or worse. There's certainly no way I'm going to tolerate it from my kids, and I hope that when they get to that point that there are people willing to let me know when they've done something wrong.
/rant off. Peace!
WoW can be construed as an interactive chat-room. People can PM as well as talk to the group as a whole.
I feel that if you are not a legal adult and you make an a$$ of yourself, someone needs to reprimand you. Yes WoW is a fantasy game. Sure he could have been 'roleplaying' as his 'character' and not 'himself'.
Regardless when you interact with other REAL people, real life consequences can come into play. It is all too easy to accept foul language because it's the internet.
Although, TseTsuo Made what I feel is a valid argument.
You could have always reported him if it was harrassing enough to become a problem. A 3 day ban might have hit him hard enough.
Either way I still like how the OP handled it.
Pix or it didn't happen!
You should shoop his ingame name over him while he cleans stables :P
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 5:05pm by Ebonspine
I feel that if you are not a legal adult and you make an a$$ of yourself, someone needs to reprimand you. Yes WoW is a fantasy game. Sure he could have been 'roleplaying' as his 'character' and not 'himself'.
Regardless when you interact with other REAL people, real life consequences can come into play. It is all too easy to accept foul language because it's the internet.
Although, TseTsuo Made what I feel is a valid argument.
TseTsuo wrote:
There is a chain of authority you should attempt to follow. If a teenager smashes your mailbox you don't call the FBI and CIA you call the local police. If someone misbehaves in the game you put in a ticket with a GM and it gets handled.
You could have always reported him if it was harrassing enough to become a problem. A 3 day ban might have hit him hard enough.
Either way I still like how the OP handled it.
Pix or it didn't happen!
You should shoop his ingame name over him while he cleans stables :P
Edited, Mar 26th 2008 5:05pm by Ebonspine
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You're old enough to have 3 kids, you should be old enough to know better than to tattle on someone because they say something you don't like.
You definitely sound like you have no children, or you wouldn't refer to the OP's actions as tattling. As a parent, I've found that most parents filter actions appropriately, and report abnormal behavior when it is noticed.
The problem with the kid's behavior has nothing to do with where it occured or against whom it occured. The problem is the behavior itself. He showed aggressive, abusive behavior towards another human being, and THAT is unacceptable. Someone who goes off on a swearing rampage at someone has underlying problems that need to be nipped now before he either lashes out at someone in real life or pisses off someone who's unstable enough to come find him.
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WoW can be construed as an interactive chat-room. People can PM as well as talk to the group as a whole.
I feel that if you are not a legal adult and you make an a$$ of yourself, someone needs to reprimand you. Yes WoW is a fantasy game. Sure he could have been 'roleplaying' as his 'character' and not 'himself'.
Regardless when you interact with other REAL people, real life consequences can come into play. It is all too easy to accept foul language because it's the internet.
I feel that if you are not a legal adult and you make an a$$ of yourself, someone needs to reprimand you. Yes WoW is a fantasy game. Sure he could have been 'roleplaying' as his 'character' and not 'himself'.
Regardless when you interact with other REAL people, real life consequences can come into play. It is all too easy to accept foul language because it's the internet.
It's not your place to discipline someone else's children. Telling their legal guardian/parent - OK. Taking it upon yourself to reprimand them - no dice. obviously reporting them to Blizzard in this case would be fine - but I assume you would do that or not based on their actions and not their age.
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Hmmm,
For those of you who think like the OP that it isn't someone's obligation to discipline others child. Well, I have to heartily disagree. While it isn't another parent's obligation to conduct ACTIVE discipline(physical or extended verbal). I believe we have responsibility to help our children(COLLECTIVELY) have the best opportunity to grow and be what they can.
To likeaninja,
If you ever become a father you will understand the relationship between father and daughter. I know my daughters are going to meet boys(or girls) fall in love, have sex(after they are like 40). However, that doesn't mean I have to make it easy on their suitors(perhaps a landmine course or swimming through pirrana infested waters aren't out of line).
To the OP who suggested I let this kid go on because I got some kind of jollies off of this. Well, yep I did. I admit that watching as some guy starts cussing up a storm over a game, brings some level of devish amusement to me(listen to onxiya wtf on youtube), makes me perhaps a wee bit twisted. However, if I got tired of it I have the good old ignore button.
The whole point of this post wasn't to get a slap on the back. I don't live for the compliments of others(except my children). It was to remind all of us(myself included) that as much as we love this game or any other game(COD4,BF2,My little kitty online)we don't play in a vacuum.
I didn't talk to this kid's parent to see him get in trouble, but to give him a chance to learn from it. Yes, there are consequences for your actions. Vulgarity isn't wrong...angerspeach, acid filled conversations are..if not wrong..genuinely unhelpful and very very very seldom effective. I hope that he grows into a fine young man, worthy of dating my daughter(FAT CHANCE on the worthy party...she is WAYYY to good for him). Plus, we want to help him hit 70, so he can start playing WoW.
One last thing...telling someone that if in the same situation "would burn down their barn" is the kind of crap I am talking about. Why say that? Did it make you or your arguements any more effective?
Well, I am going back to the complete timesink that is sunwell.
For those of you who think like the OP that it isn't someone's obligation to discipline others child. Well, I have to heartily disagree. While it isn't another parent's obligation to conduct ACTIVE discipline(physical or extended verbal). I believe we have responsibility to help our children(COLLECTIVELY) have the best opportunity to grow and be what they can.
To likeaninja,
If you ever become a father you will understand the relationship between father and daughter. I know my daughters are going to meet boys(or girls) fall in love, have sex(after they are like 40). However, that doesn't mean I have to make it easy on their suitors(perhaps a landmine course or swimming through pirrana infested waters aren't out of line).
To the OP who suggested I let this kid go on because I got some kind of jollies off of this. Well, yep I did. I admit that watching as some guy starts cussing up a storm over a game, brings some level of devish amusement to me(listen to onxiya wtf on youtube), makes me perhaps a wee bit twisted. However, if I got tired of it I have the good old ignore button.
The whole point of this post wasn't to get a slap on the back. I don't live for the compliments of others(except my children). It was to remind all of us(myself included) that as much as we love this game or any other game(COD4,BF2,My little kitty online)we don't play in a vacuum.
I didn't talk to this kid's parent to see him get in trouble, but to give him a chance to learn from it. Yes, there are consequences for your actions. Vulgarity isn't wrong...angerspeach, acid filled conversations are..if not wrong..genuinely unhelpful and very very very seldom effective. I hope that he grows into a fine young man, worthy of dating my daughter(FAT CHANCE on the worthy party...she is WAYYY to good for him). Plus, we want to help him hit 70, so he can start playing WoW.
One last thing...telling someone that if in the same situation "would burn down their barn" is the kind of crap I am talking about. Why say that? Did it make you or your arguements any more effective?
Well, I am going back to the complete timesink that is sunwell.
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Hmmm,
For those of you who think like the OP that it isn't someone's obligation to discipline others child. Well, I have to heartily disagree. While it isn't another parent's obligation to conduct ACTIVE discipline(physical or extended verbal). I believe we have responsibility to help our children(COLLECTIVELY) have the best opportunity to grow and be what they can.
For those of you who think like the OP that it isn't someone's obligation to discipline others child. Well, I have to heartily disagree. While it isn't another parent's obligation to conduct ACTIVE discipline(physical or extended verbal). I believe we have responsibility to help our children(COLLECTIVELY) have the best opportunity to grow and be what they can.
I seriously doubt we agree on what is best for children, especially seeing as you listed physical discipline. Nor is there a consensus in the community pasta certain point (legal). Therefore, you should not try and shape someone else's child into what YOU think they should be beyond committing actual crimes.
I think the extent your communal responsibility (and thus rights) goes is to contacting their parents (which I allowed for in my previous post). If they are committing a crime then by all means contact the authorities if they persist after you have informed the parents (or right away should you so choose).
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