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#77 Jun 27 2007 at 12:51 PM Rating: Excellent

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Pifuaa wrote:

Alota stuff

You, just sound pissed off and it looks like your looking for a fight. You keep saying IGE involved in this web site even after it has been stated they are not, but you keep drugging this up. When will you be able to trust what they, the admins, say?

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So you're getting my point? Calm down, or quit

Take your own advice and find yourself a home (WoW website) that better suits your needs, apparently Allakhazam is not providing that.

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#78 Jun 27 2007 at 12:54 PM Rating: Default

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Baron von Diathon wrote:

You, just sound pissed off and it looks like your looking for a fight. You keep saying IGE involved in this web site even after it has been stated they are not, but you keep drugging this up. When will you be able to trust what they, the admins, say?

Wrong. I said that trust may not be well placed in admins, due to the circumstantial evidence. I never said they did anything wrong; I pointed out bad they look. I never "convicted" them of anything.

I like the use of your word "drugging"; did that actually mean anything or did you just like the word from past experience?

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#79 Jun 27 2007 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent

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Pifuaa wrote:

Baron von Diathon wrote:

You, just sound pissed off and it looks like your looking for a fight. You keep saying IGE involved in this web site even after it has been stated they are not, but you keep drugging this up. When will you be able to trust what they, the admins, say?

Wrong. I said that trust may not be well placed in admins, due to the circumstantial evidence. I never said they did anything wrong; I pointed out bad they look. I never "convicted" them of anything.

I like the use of your word "drugging"; did that actually mean anything or did you just like the word from past experience?

No just a very bad mispelling

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dredging

is what it should of been.

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#80 Jun 27 2007 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent

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Pifuaa wrote:

Simple. Never seeing IGE's name again.

Follow-up question: Isn't this what you're getting already? I mean, the only mention there is of IGE that's on these sites is either the admins saying "We're not affiliated anymore" or the users accusing us of lying. There are no RMT ads, there's no links back to IGE's website, nothing.

I'm not trying be argumentative--the guys at ZAM have been trying really hard to come up with an answer to this question, and so far we've got nothing. If you can think of something we could produce that would allay your suspicions, please do let us know. There's nothing in the world I want more for this company than to be able to permanently put these rumors to rest.

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#81 Jun 27 2007 at 4:42 PM Rating: Default

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cyamarin wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

Simple. Never seeing IGE's name again.

Follow-up question: Isn't this what you're getting already? I mean, the only mention there is of IGE that's on these sites is either the admins saying "We're not affiliated anymore" or the users accusing us of lying. There are no RMT ads, there's no links back to IGE's website, nothing.

I'm not trying be argumentative--the guys at ZAM have been trying really hard to come up with an answer to this question, and so far we've got nothing. If you can think of something we could produce that would allay your suspicions, please do let us know. There's nothing in the world I want more for this company than to be able to permanently put these rumors to rest.

I'm saying that IGE would have to be completely removed from existence, not sold. I'm saying that all ties related to this site whatsoever would have to never be involved with RMT'ers again. That IS possible.

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#82 Jun 27 2007 at 4:51 PM Rating: Decent

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Pifuaa wrote:

cyamarin wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

Simple. Never seeing IGE's name again.

Follow-up question: Isn't this what you're getting already? I mean, the only mention there is of IGE that's on these sites is either the admins saying "We're not affiliated anymore" or the users accusing us of lying. There are no RMT ads, there's no links back to IGE's website, nothing.

I'm not trying be argumentative--the guys at ZAM have been trying really hard to come up with an answer to this question, and so far we've got nothing. If you can think of something we could produce that would allay your suspicions, please do let us know. There's nothing in the world I want more for this company than to be able to permanently put these rumors to rest.

I'm saying that IGE would have to be completely removed from existence, not sold. I'm saying that all ties related to this site whatsoever would have to never be involved with RMT'ers again. That IS possible.

You're a putz, Pifuaa. Now I remember why I rated you down in the first place.

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#83 Jun 27 2007 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent

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MentalFrog wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

cyamarin wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

Simple. Never seeing IGE's name again.

Follow-up question: Isn't this what you're getting already? I mean, the only mention there is of IGE that's on these sites is either the admins saying "We're not affiliated anymore" or the users accusing us of lying. There are no RMT ads, there's no links back to IGE's website, nothing.

I'm not trying be argumentative--the guys at ZAM have been trying really hard to come up with an answer to this question, and so far we've got nothing. If you can think of something we could produce that would allay your suspicions, please do let us know. There's nothing in the world I want more for this company than to be able to permanently put these rumors to rest.

I'm saying that IGE would have to be completely removed from existence, not sold. I'm saying that all ties related to this site whatsoever would have to never be involved with RMT'ers again. That IS possible.

You're a putz, Pifuaa. Now I remember why I rated you down in the first place.

I thought bad posts, harassing posts, posts without good grammar, posts in the wrong section, and rulebreakers were what once defined why the karma system was created. I guess instead you can be rated down for being a "putz", whatever the hell that is.

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#84 Jun 27 2007 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good

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This is seriously out of whack.

There was never any support for RMT sites here. It remained that way after the sale of the site to its current owners. When it was known they owned a company called IGE as well.

Pif you are suggesting that you will only believe that ties no longer exist when IGE is wiped off the face of the planet. Community sites like this site and other sites (WoWHead included) is a good target for these ads and these companies. I used several boards for my RO needs, they are full of ads for RO gold and sites who try to sell you bots.

There was a piece of news on people making a class action suit against IGE. Wonder if Affinity Media knew and quickly pushed the deal to sell through.

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#85 Jun 27 2007 at 5:53 PM Rating: Default

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Pif you are suggesting that you will only believe that ties no longer exist when IGE is wiped off the face of the planet. Community sites like this site and other sites (WoWHead included) is a good target for these ads and these companies.

I'm aware...

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#86 Jun 27 2007 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good

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cyamarin wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

Simple. Never seeing IGE's name again.

Follow-up question: Isn't this what you're getting already? I mean, the only mention there is of IGE that's on these sites is either the admins saying "We're not affiliated anymore" or the users accusing us of lying. There are no RMT ads, there's no links back to IGE's website, nothing.

I'm not trying be argumentative--the guys at ZAM have been trying really hard to come up with an answer to this question, and so far we've got nothing. If you can think of something we could produce that would allay your suspicions, please do let us know. There's nothing in the world I want more for this company than to be able to permanently put these rumors to rest.

No offense, but when stuff like this pops up, you can't help but wonder.

There isn't any proof that this wasn't forged, but all that really means is that they're on equal footing with you guys. We can't be absolutely sure if what is said is true on both sides of the argument. Here's a letter, supposedly from Brock Pierce himself, confirming that Affinity is still deep in RMT. On the other hand, we have admins such as yourself who maintain that there is no longer a connection. And then there's Allakhazam, probably the "highest-up" any of us posters are going to get in contact with, who maintains the same thing as his admins.

Taken at face value, the two claims obviously contradict each other. Somebody is a liar. Now, I've been frequenting this site for over three years. At this point, I trust what Alla says. I trust what his admins say. But, any outside viewers, any potential customers, any average-Joe just getting into MMOs... who do you think they're going to believe? They don't have the relation with this site that many of us do.

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#87 Jun 27 2007 at 7:58 PM Rating: Default

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DodoBird wrote:

No offense, but...

I should at this at the beginning of every post that I know will reduce my karma so people would feel too guilty to rate me down.

Well, had I not got on people's bad-side already.
(You can tell when you're on someone's bad side when posts that weren't disrepectful or even related get the ratedown beatdown.)

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#88 Jun 27 2007 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent

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Pifuaa wrote:

I thought bad posts, harassing posts, posts without good grammar, posts in the wrong section, and rulebreakers were what once defined why the karma system was created. I guess instead you can be rated down for being a "putz", whatever the hell that is.

Being unreasonable and stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post?

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#89 Jun 27 2007 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent

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MentalFrog wrote:

Being unreasonable and stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post?

If "unreasonable" isn't based off opinion, yes. Stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post.

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#90 Jun 27 2007 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent

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Pifuaa wrote:

MentalFrog wrote:

Being unreasonable and stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post?

If "unreasonable" isn't based off opinion, yes. Stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post.

Are you saying you're not being unreasonable and it's just my opinion?

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#91 Jun 27 2007 at 9:35 PM Rating: Default

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MentalFrog wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

MentalFrog wrote:

Being unreasonable and stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post?

If "unreasonable" isn't based off opinion, yes. Stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post.

Are you saying you're not being unreasonable and it's just my opinion?

I'm saying that the word "reason" is defined by opinion.

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#92 Jun 27 2007 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent

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Pifuaa wrote:

MentalFrog wrote:

Pifuaa wrote:

MentalFrog wrote:

Being unreasonable and stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post?

If "unreasonable" isn't based off opinion, yes. Stubborn doesn't qualify as a bad post.

Are you saying you're not being unreasonable and it's just my opinion?

I'm saying that the word "reason" is defined by opinion.

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#93 Jun 27 2007 at 11:55 PM Rating: Good

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Pifuaa wrote:

I'm saying that IGE would have to be completely removed from existence, not sold. I'm saying that all ties related to this site whatsoever would have to never be involved with RMT'ers again. That IS possible.

and how is this supposed to be accomplished? if there are ties via a shared owner, how is one daughter company (zam) supposed to eliminate another (ige)? daughter companies do not set the strategy for holdings, it works the other way around. so even if this were true and affinity still owns ige, there is not much zam can do about it. what they can do is not have links with their sister company, just upward links to affinity. which is certainly the case. i have not seen a single rmt add since the take-over.
so even if this scenario is true, zam has kept its promise and has as few ties to rmt as it did before. which is good enough for me.

if they are not related anymore (which i am inclined to believe), then that would be like complaining to coca cola that you don't like them because nike has child labour in latin america and therefore coca cola should shut down nike.

if you think the legal connections between zam and ige that existed in the past are an indelible blight on zam, then at least put your money where your mouth is and avoid the zam sites. goodbye.

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#94 Jun 28 2007 at 1:00 AM Rating: Good

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So you're getting my point? Calm down, or quit,

Please take your own advice and GTFO.
Every thread you post in you seem to resort to this childish name calling and general abuse, then you wonder why people rate you down...

In the mean time can someone please fill me in on some background here, who/what exactly is IGE?

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