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Doesn't that kind of depend what the party's made up of? When I leveled from 60 to 70, I was pure Retri, and usually had a pure Shadow priest with me in instances. The shadow priest just stayed shadow and kept VE up, and all his drain added to my life and thus with Spiritual Attunement to my mana. My only healing talents were the +6% healing to Sanctity Aura (which affected both the mana I got from the priest and the healing I did to the tank), which, in addition to the VE healing, was plenty to keep the group alive. Both healing removed a DPSer, seriously lengthening the fight which could've but both of us in mana problems.

Warriors have 10% in defensive stance regardless of spec, and another 6% from talents. They also have spell reflect.

Paladins have 6% from talents when using Righteous Fury, and another 4% from talents.

If Warriors need additional spell damage migitation, then paladins need a whole lot more.

Ahhh, good ol' Spell Reflect. If only it could be used on bosses where the damage you take actually matters.

You know, in all honesty, I really wish that spell would even work on all the trash mobs in the game, but even a lot of those mobs can completely bypass it. Yet the amusing thing is that shield bash can interrupt their casts. What, I can interrupt it but not reflect it?

Yes they have, they were deemed too strong. Its only minor changes though, for example the warrior helm lost 3 strength.

They are changing other items they feel are too strong as well, most notable for tanks being the Timewarden tanking legs from CoT Revered (-10 stam, -10 def, smidge off of dodge rating) and the Junior Tech 3rd Grade Bracers(-18 stam supposedly).

There is a slight upside in that they're also modifying our Tier gear to compensate, though no where near enough to make it anything more than a sidegrade when compared to those legs.

All this yelling about druid tanks being best tanks in the game currently...
Can anyone PLEASE point me at any serious raiding guild, that's worth a damn that has a top MT being druid?
I have not seen one yet, so give me some examples(and how far did it get them, if you be so kind).






Or is it just a lot of overreacting, and hormones?

I forgot, Warriors are now dedicated healers. My bad.

Last time I checked, Warriors still tanked at level 70, so did Paladins and Druids. Rogues still do damage and so do Hunters, Warlocks and Mages.

In fact, I see very little change from 60 to 70 when it comes to each class' role in a party. Perhaps the odd Enhancement Shaman instead of a Rogue, but other than that, it's pretty much the same.

Besides, I was arguing with a level 48 Warrior, so I still win by 16 levels, nyah nyah!

*speeds off on his tricycle*

My thoughts exactly.

That, and it's fun to see druids and priests doing more than healing.



It's not a matter of not being viable. It is the slashing of abilities that is, to me, the issue.

Blizzard seems incapable of making minor changes. They mess up (yes, they mess up...often enough to warrant being called incompetent) then over-correct. Any change that's on the order of 30% represents abject failure on the part of the game designers. At this stage, it would be reasonable to expect 2-4% changes to the game mechanics. No. I take that back. At this point they should know their own game well enough to not require rule changes. Of course, by now the rule set is a cluster-kludge.

The end result, for any class that gets nerfed, is taking a class/spec that's fun to play (finally) and making it decidedly unfun.

It happened recently to warlocks (it was, finally, fun to be an affliction spec or demonologist warlock...can't have that). It has caught up with druids and it will happen to every other class in turn. Until and unless Blizzard can control their Monty Haul-ism, the cycle will continue.

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Playing with Blizzard is like playing a card game with a five-year-old. They change the rules every time they get dealt a bad hand.

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So, did druids "deserve" a nerf? No. They deserve to have a consistent rule set and a valuable role to play in all three trees. Every class deserves that.

There has been a lot of talk on here...but you guys are missing out on the main problem with the patch.

Where is the buff to Rogues?

(Ok, sorry, couldn't resist)

* The armor bonus from "Moonkin Form" has been increased from 360% to 400% (to match Dire Bear Form).

Thank God!!!! No I can finally Tank as well as in bear form AND heal at the same time!!!!

In the sake of fairness, You overlooked that one Blizz!


But all in all the nerfs are fine (not that i used bear form anyway!)




BALANCE RULEZ!!!

Ahem, forgot about the Cat form, didn't you?

And tell me the point behind the Demonology change, other than DT/Ruin now being a viable build. They change +damage to +crit for a talent tree with minimal usage of crits. Why? So we can get those mediocre Shadowbolt crits more often? Ruin and +crit is a good combo, yes, but I don't see Ruin anywhere in the Demonology tree.

Plus, crits cause spike damage which pulls aggro from the Felguard. I think it's the first time I've seen a tier 8 talent work against the tier 9.