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If you think Swipe is useless now you know even less about your class than I thought you did, and if you can't understand the ways in which getting more Rage will be immensely helpful then... yes, again, you know even less about Druids than I thought you did.

Did you read the topic at all?

Druids WERE preferred tanks in 5mans, now they aren't, but they're still VERY viable, and good and stuff.

Xylia..Think what you sad about no good gear=slow lvling is not fully true...Check out for example Joana, he hitted up lvl 60 with only 4 days 20 hours play time, and he said on his website that he never does instances, he walks around in ****** greens...Soow not fully true...And guys be happy with your warrior or your feral druid..I can't beat you on my lvl 59 combat rogue ;)...only with ooldowns on..

1.) Swipe is not useless in PvE. I was talking about PvE. Before the nerf (at the moment) it does 400+ on crits. After the nerf it'll crit less and deal 20% less damage. Weee.

2.) More rage isn't useful when you have 100 already. The only way I ever get to the bottom of my rage pool in combat is when I hit Frenzied Regeneration. And even then it'll only drain 100 rage and I'll be getting more rage while it runs.

Global cooldown plus Primal Fury makes it near impossible to get rid of all the rage you build up. Perhaps if I spammed Swipe inbetween Mauls and Mangles. But, uhm, 100 damage at a 15 rage cost isn't worth it.

Edited, Feb 24th 2007 1:16pm by Mazra

i think its way too much nerfing on druids. mangle should either be kept at 130% or be affected by savage fury, not have both removed from it. if all of our damaging moves crits are gonna be nerfed from predatory instincts why would they also nerf the non crit damage? if theyre gonna nerf our health why do they also nerf the ability to crit off imp LotP heals? if theyre gonna nerf our health, damage, and imp LotP why do they also nerf the armour?
and hybrids who spec feral arent gonna be good at healing, just like shamans and paladins who choose different specs. you can tell when someones ignorant about feral druids when they start bringing stuff like "they can heal and use magic spells" into an argument like theyre valid things a feral could do in a group.
and warriors saying they can only dps/tank in a group, guess what? thats all feral druids can do aswell, feral heals suck, feral spell damage suck. play the class, look in the talent trees, learn, understand, comprehend and stfu.
btw im not saying feral druids couldnt or shouldnt heal in groups, but im saying the opportunity is very rare and only really possible in cat form, yes i have stopped dpsing and healed till my mana was gone but the main extent of my hybrid capabilites as a cat is either dps, innervate, heal as a bear its just tank, and as a resto its just heal. if hybrids didnt have the ability to specialise they would be shunned in 5 man, useless in raids, and completley gimped in pvp. sometimes i think blizz should never have come up with the concept of hybrids and just givin straight roles to everyone. the concept of hybridisation was obviously too hard for them to balance.

Oh, I do so love being abrasive. Some day's it's just so... gratifying.



Where in the patch did you see anything that lowered Druid Crit rates? Please point it out to me. It might help if you actually knew what your talents _did_, rather than skimming the patch notes and making assumptions. (Hint: Critical Strike Damage bonus != Critical Strike chance).



Yes, god forbid you use abilities that don't have "a cooldown". You know, Warriors have this nifty ability called "Heroic Strike" that actually really blows from a DPS perspective. No joke! But we use it anyway (well... for Fury) since otherwise we, you know, can't always actually "spend" this "rage". We also spam "Hamstring" and "Pummel", both of which cause almost no damage, when we cannot use our abilities with "cooldowns".

Strange, but true!

EDIT: Oh, and by the way Sel...



Incorrect. Increasing your critical strike bonus damage (_read_ the talent) increases the bonus damage you gain upon a critical strike from 100% to 115%, or from 200% (normal damage = 100%, plus critical strike = 100%) damage to 215% (100% + 115%). This reduction will drop the critical strike bonus damage to 210%, which works out to 3.4% less damage on a crit.

*shrug*

Edited, Feb 24th 2007 2:11pm by RPZip

What makes you think this is any different for paladins? Do you seriously think we can heal while tanking? Yeah, sure, 2.0.1 changed it so that Righteous Fury affected all holy spells, not just holy damage spells, so it's not that bad for maintaining the aggro, but seriously.

First of all, Tanking means there are mobs hitting us. To properly cast a spell without getting interrupted, I need to both spend 10 points in holy (which doesn't do me anything good as a tank) and switch to concentration aura, lowering either my armor by 1205 or my resistance by 70.

Second, while I'm casting, my shield is negated. I can't block at all. Block is the biggest factor in the miss/parry/dodge/block combo, taking up more than half of it. There are 4 ongoing effect talents that only affect my shield, meaning 4 talents that have no use at all.

Third, if I want to tank anywhere near decent, I need full tanking gear and full tanking build. How much healing do you think I'll do with that build? Not to mention that healing and tanking requires the same resource poule: Mana, whereas a Druid has a rage and a mana bar next to each other.

Then there's Druids who have their Melee DPS and their Tanking talents in the same tree. You can spec tank and still do decent DPS, grind just fine, etc. Heck, there were even people complaining about their DPS in bear form :S Your bear form is for taking hits. It would be stupid if you did as much damage as a DPS Warrior with a twohander. He's not using his shield, you still got all your bear form protection.

Excuse me??? So we need a nerf because we can kill you? And in twice the amount of time it would take a rogue to do the same thing without changing forms.

All of the healing returns on offensive abilities have lost their crits. Improved Leader of the Pack no longer grants critical heals. Originally it was a 6% life heal that could critically heal, on a critical hit. That was a lot of life.

You're still getting healed for doing damage. As often as the free heals popped, the crits were very frequent and imbalanced. It's not a heal spell, it's a heal effect. Healing from bandages don't crit, do they?

Uhhh....Uhhhh.... Uhhh *Malcavious is speechless* Damn you must be Alliance.
The other day I had a buddy of mine who is an Alliance laugh his head off because my Warlock is in all Stamina gear, he said "Locks only use INT"..so I paid to have my charecter transfered and showed him different.

Blizzard will fix anything stupid they do, people whine all day for nerf this nerf that. What you should be saying is..."I can't beat this guy" then figure out, is it because they are in better gear, or better skill than you, or are they older and understand you need to have fast reflexes and macros to win in PVP rather then hit 1 button per second....=p

Anyways stop crying over nerfs, you should instead encourage Blizzard to buff up other classes, like warriors. those guys never win in PVP unless they have the best gear, and that is sad. So let's stop whinning and stop being dumb, and ask for better things not nerfing things. And BTW....dots do CRIT.



Malcavious
Forsaken Lock on Emerald Dream!

All I have to say is this: We better have our talent points refunded, because savage fury is pretty much useless now, and I'd rather spend those points on some resto talents. 30% less multiplier and 20% less from the talent, that was wrong. I can understand the armor and the health nerfs, but why gimp our attacks? At least we still have kitty for pvp...for now...

Neither can a druid. And you didnt say single opening crits, you said stun lock for 3200 damage.

Why? VE has been 20% for as long as I have been shadow and can't come up for a reason as to why this would be reduced. The crit heals don't matter as much to me as this way my aggro will be more predictable.

I guess I can understand not having silent resolve affect shadow spells, as there is a talent in the shadow tree to take care of this for us, but I'm sure some people took Silent Resolve instead and used the points in the Shadow Tree for something else. Ah well. Guess I will need to respec when this goes live :)