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Let me state this right off. MY MAIN IS A WARRIOR. I have a druid alt and I think the druid nerfs are ****.



Druids dont do all this in the same form nor can they tank/dps and do magic damage without gimping one or the other.



Druids are a hybrid class, but when you dump 41 points into a certain tree, you become more of a specialist. If you think all of those things come so easily then try it out. See what all they have to deal with and how it is lvling up.

And try not to be so jealous.

Xylia, end-game is.. END. GAME.

You will hit 60 and 70 eventually. The whole "But there are 59 levels inbetween" speech doesn't stick. You can bypass every single instance up to level 70 and still do fine. At level 70 there is only raiding, crafting and PvP left. Pick a card, any card.

Then roll a Druid if you want to fill that role.

Seriously Maz, grow up. It is childish to start getting all /butthurt about the situation. Worse yet keep falling back on a "ZOMG! You don't play druid for a main, you know nothing" argument.

It is infantile, embarrassing and reminiscent of the actions you took while posting under the title Qaoz.

Very true, you need that steady block chance that Warriors have to break down CB's. A Prot specced Paladin would need Redoubt + Holy Shield to deal with it and that is just to random a thing to have to count on in a pinch.

There was a very good post on it on the O-board, pally forum earlier today. They had the math and everything for it. Though it was just theory, not tested.

This nerf had damaged our pvping more than anything. Which, imho, is where all the warrior crys started. Tanking was just an excuse. The nerf makes us less effective tanks, not much but less. It didnt help warriors. They got their buffs, why nerf the druids? The mangle damage, ok, I can understand to a very small degree, but why the other nerfs like armor and savage fury? Why the decrease in crit chance? We sure arent out dps'n any rogues that I know. These may look like very small changes, but they add up to one big nerf. They decreased bear dps AND kitty dps with the predatory instincts nerf. And I still dont understand why ILotP cant crit on a heal anymore.

Then he was a fool, plain and simple.

Jack of all trades, master of none. That's what druid was meant to be and never should they be superior to specialists, ever.

Any druid who is surprised at this shouldn't be. Bliz said themselves they didn't like how warrior turned out in this expansion.

At least hunters didn't recieve another nerf...

Dear god, why can't you delete threads you create? I read the whole argument on here and wish I'd never posted this.

Xylia, hybrid does not mean "takes any job role except yours." For druids it means "With the right spec and the right gear, can be made completely viable wherever it's needed." Currently we are slightly overpowered in this, and warriors are slightly underpowered in this. This does NOT mean it's the end of the world. I personally feel bear might have been tweaked a little too much in damage without a threat buff (warriors need more threat, the normalization helps that. Druids don't avoid damage so we're capped on threat already most of the time.) But it was the direction things needed to go. That does not mean you were useless before, or we should be useless after. What you've been experiencing is a small gap in the classes turned into a canyon by the players. That's exactly what we faced for a very long time. That's why many druids find it hard to take you seriously, especially with your tone. We've stepped over the gap and found it not that wide.

Also, druids are not hybrids like shamans or paladins are hybrids. When tanking, we cannot do anything but tank. When healing, we cannot do anything but heal. To do something else involves completely giving up the previous task. While tanking (not between mobs) we cannot do quick healing on someone. While healing we cannot bring our full dps to bear against, say, a tank at the end of coilfang, at least not without spending 1000 mana when we're likely tapped out anyway. Is our hybrid nature a strength? Yes, but not usually in any single PvE battle.

Mazra, this is a longtime druid telling you this: you had to have been blind not to see something like this coming. Druids needed a buff, we got a buff. Like the warrior nerf, both overshot their mark. As we've been saying all over the place, druid is damn near perfect except that bearform does a bit too much damage. This patch addresses that. Is it too much? Time will tell. I'm a dang good tank, and I will be a dang good tank after 2.0.10. My dpsers might need to be a little more on their toes, but it's the person that makes the tank just as much as it is the class, if not more. We're not going back to the old days, those of us trying to keep good relations between the classes and maintain the necessary balance won't let that happen. If we're ever truly in danger of that, I have no doubt Quor and I and many other people on here will be yelling right alongside you.

Everybody, chill out. Stop making mountains out of molehills, stop believing the opinions you read on the o-boards ("hey, let's compare a twinked out full-proccing druid to a just-70 warrior! NERF DRUIDS!"), and for god's sake stop feeling the only way to convey your ideas is to leap headfirst into hyperbole.

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There, that feels good. I doubt anyone will listen but I'm glad I said that.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2007 11:36pm by selebrin

very well said sel.

Ditto, when tanking I can't do anything but tank and when healing...wait a minute...

Any argument that druids should tank as well as warriors fails right there.

Fill in what's missing from the puzzle? Always. Take someone else's place? no

Edited, Feb 24th 2007 3:17am by Shamibell

Good post, Sel.

I took a chill pill.

I still think they overdid it with the nerf. And I still think we've been reduced to pre-2.0 state when it comes to usefulness in groups. Time to be a healbot again.

Edited, Feb 24th 2007 8:08am by Mazra