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Everything you ever wanted or cared to know about the ArenaFollow

#1 Feb 21 2007 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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The way Blizzard describes the arena can be a little confusing, so I wanted to make it a bit clearer here.

Terminology

Rank- How your team compares to other teams. If you are "rank 1", you are the best team in your battlegroup.

Rating- Your team's "score". More on this later. If you have a rating of 1, your team is the worst team on the server (and ever created).

Arena Points- The points you earn to buy things from the arena vendor. These are NOT accumluated the same way as honor: kills or wins don't matter. They are converted straight from your rating. A rating vs points earned counter can be found here:

http://awesometeam.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=396&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=a8d151ef066bbcef4041d3f14bc633a5

To see it in a graph:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6408/arenapointscutlj0.png
Mechanics

The arena works very simply.

Players fight against other players in 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5 brackets. The team who wins has its rating go up, while the team who loses has theirs go down. If a strong team defeats a weak team, their increase is small. However, if a weak team beats a strong team, their increase is tremendous (while the strong team loses alot). Teams can consist of up to twice the amount of minimum players needed to participate (2v2 can have at max 4, 3v3 at max 6, 5v5 at max 10).

Points Earned

Points are aquired at the end of the week based on your team rating (see above).

Things that do affect points earned:
Your rating (based on your team's wins and losses against whatever ranked opponents).

Things that don't affect points:
Number of Players on your team
Matches played (past 10).

One interesting note is that points are NOT summated from bracket to bracket (i.e., if you're in three active arena teams -one for each division- your points are only taken from the team that would earn the most points). Another good point about points is that they do NOT decay. You can leave for a week, a month or even a year and still have the same amount of points as you did when you left. However, you cannot stockpile points past 5k. This is to prevent players from stockpiling points at the end of one arena season so that they may buy alot of the new gear released at the start of the next season. And while we're on that:

Seasons

Seasons are like baseball seasons, except instead of just bringing about new rounds of competition they also bring out new pvp rewards. These are blizzard's way of being able to reward newer prizes as the game progresses, always providing more and more incentive to go into the arena.

How to Play

Besides learning EVERYTHING about your class (including other tactics that you wouldn't normally use since all of your cooldowns under or at 10 minutes are available in arena combat) you need to learn how to actually play the arena. Unlike other PVP areas, time played does not equal points returned. Each team starts with a rating of 1500. Each victorious game brings your rating up, while each losing game brings your rating down. A good strategy is to play and win just enough games to get your rating to 2000 and stop. This is because at 2000, you have a very small chance of going up, but a very large one of going down. This usually takes most teams about 9-10 wins. Also, if you're having an offweek and losing alot, your team should stop playing after hitting 1000 as you don't want to go any lower. Either way, to get points you have to participate in at least 30% of the arena battles your team plays in(to prevent free loaders). Finally, 5v5 teams gain more points than 2v2 teams do (about 80% more actually). Since points are not summated, if you are playing on a decent 5v5 team you shouldn't even waste your time in 2v2 play. An additional note someone pointed out is that ratings are carried over week to week: in other words, if your team finishes one week with a 2000 rating, you start the next with a 2000 rating. So, you want to perform your very best in the minimum number of games you need to play (10) so as you don't lose your rating. If you do happen to sink under, remember to keep going for 2000. Either way, always try to stop playing when your rating is around 2000 as its very easy to go lower but hard to get any higher.

So as you can see, the arena requires more than just being good at your class: you also have to know how it works.

Finish each week with a 2000 rating, and you can generally have full arena gear within 3-4 months (about the time it takes to get full raiding gear anyway).

Hope this helps some people confused over it.

FAQ

Some good questions have arisen down the thread, so in an attempt to keep you from having to read the full thread here they are:

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So If Team A wins 18 matches this week, at a rating of 2100 against all teams that are less than 1500 rating.

And Team B wins only 10 matches at a rating of 2100 against all teams less than 1500.

They would get the same rate up? Or Team A would get slightly more for winning more matches?

- Consider that both teams have no losses that week


Team A and B would get the same amount of points. The only thing that matters for arena point calculation is your team's rating: not wins or losses. This is why if you are a high rated team (above 2000) you should only play the minimum amount of matches possible (10) so you keep that high rating while if you are a very low ranked team (below 1500) you should play as many as you feel necessary to get your rating up. The ideal rating is 2000 as you get the most points for your work (2000 is fairly easy to get. Although 2500 does yield a rather large amount of points it's very difficult to get and you could end up actually going lower and thus getting less points).

Edited, Feb 22nd 2007 10:36am by Shaolinz

Edited, Feb 22nd 2007 5:19pm by Shaolinz
#2 Feb 21 2007 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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Thats some great info thanks!
#4 Feb 21 2007 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
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Rate up, great post!
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#5 Feb 21 2007 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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onenine wrote:
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Finish each week with a 2000 rating, and you can generally have full arena gear within 3-4 months.


/Sigh


You said you don't even play the game anymore so why do you even care how long it takes? Yea, it's a bit longer then the new honor system, but considering the gear is on par with T5 gear from raids i'd say that isn't that bad.
#6 Feb 21 2007 at 11:40 PM Rating: Default
This should be stickied!


This was very helpful as I always get made fun of in guild chat because I didnt understand how it worked.
#7 Feb 21 2007 at 11:53 PM Rating: Decent
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so your 100% sure that the arena points you get dont get added together from all 3, but it takes the best rating you have and gives arena points for only that one team?
#8 Feb 22 2007 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
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onenine wrote:
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Finish each week with a 2000 rating, and you can generally have full arena gear within 3-4 months.


/Sigh


I know, sucks that it's not instant.
#9 Feb 22 2007 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
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But on the other hand, you do NOT have to play 24/7 to get there, like you needed in the old system. You can just do this on the side.
#10 Feb 22 2007 at 3:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Shaolinz wrote:
Each team starts the week with a rating of 1500.



Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure that after the very first week of arena our ratings carry over, week after week. Am I just reading this out of context?
#11 Feb 22 2007 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Great post.

But (of course) you do not start with a fresh 1500 rating each week.

Instead you continue with your rating from last week.

Another thing: if you're a member in all three different team brackets, the 5vs5 has the most weight in accumulating points. So, even if your 2vs2 rocks across the board it can still be possible that your points are computed from your 5vs5 team rating.

Another thing: It does not make sense to play as many games as possible. Play only 10 matches per week or, if you have not played 30% of your teams matches that week, play as many matches until you met that 30% mark.
#12 Feb 22 2007 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Made the changes, although I didn't mean to say the best "ranked" team gets points: only the one who generates the most points (and since 5 mans generate 80% more points than 2 mans, this is almost always the case.
#13 Feb 22 2007 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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So If Team A wins 18 matches this week, at a rating of 2100 against all teams that are less than 1500 rating.

And Team B wins only 10 matches at a rating of 2100 against all teams less than 1500.

They would get the same rate up? Or Team A would get slightly more for winning more matches?

- Consider that both teams have no losses that week

Edited, Feb 22nd 2007 9:07am by Paracleets
#14 Feb 22 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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They would get the same.

Rating is all that matters, not wins or losses.
#15 Feb 22 2007 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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One more word about the rating. You probably guessed it already, but rating is not solely for computing your arena points at the end of each week. It is actually more of an indicator how good you are.

Thus the matching system can match up teams that have roughly the same strength.

So, while it is not impossible that a team with a rating of 1500 will fight against a team with a rating of 2000, it is very unlikely if there is another team with a rating around 1500 (or 2000 respectively).

The method to compute the rating of a team is very similar to a method used for ranking of chess professionals.
#16 Feb 22 2007 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
Nice write up. I knew some of the basics but this was much more in depth, I would rate up if I could.
#17 Feb 22 2007 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent

Thanks for all that info, the insight should come in really handy.
#19 Feb 22 2007 at 11:54 AM Rating: Default
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onenine wrote:

I approve of the new system, but it's still a shame how long it takes to get some virtual goods just so you can kill stuff 10% faster.


Quit MMORPGs and please quit posting, then.
#20 Feb 22 2007 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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Not to sound stupid or anything but, how exactly do you get on a team?
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#21 Feb 22 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Speak to an arena promoter.
#23 Feb 22 2007 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Excellent post.

I found this graph of your ratings translated into points on a website, not sure what site bc I just saved it to my desktop.
Can't post direct image for some reason, heres link.


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6408/arenapointscutlj0.png
#24 Feb 22 2007 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
"Lord xythex" wrote:
Not to sound stupid or anything but, how exactly do you get on a team?


There's a promoter in Gadgetzan that signs teams up.

80g for a 2v2 team, didn't check the prices of others.
#25 Feb 22 2007 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to note that there is a problem with the current system (at least IMO).

For a 2v2 team to get the same amount of points that a 5v5 team does at rating 2000, the 2v2 team has to get a rating over 5000 (more or less impossible).


Since points aren't summated, if you are even in one 5v5 team and even if you lose every single battle, you'll still get more points than a 2v2.
#26 Feb 22 2007 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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That calculator is not exactly accurate, is there a more accurate one that you might know of? It's almost 100 arena points off from what we got this week. And it would be a really good tool if it was more accurate.
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