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#27 Dec 19 2006 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
Fraud, null and void are cool words.
#28 Dec 19 2006 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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i like when people are wrong, everyone knows they are wrong, all the facts say they are wrong, official statements by company representatives say they are wrong, yet they still think they are right.

Those people make me smile. Ergo, syriul makes me smile.

Thank you syriul.

1.35, making quite the name for yourself.
#30 Dec 19 2006 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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Where's blizz's official statement on this?

it's on the official forums, which are down now. Blue/green posts confirmed it is a scam.

If the item in the box was worth 10g and you put a 10g COD on it and sent it to random people, it's not a scam.

if it's a 5 copper grey, and you put a 10g COD on it, it is scamming.

You are preying on people's stupidy and/or naivety. Just because the person accepting it is an idiot does not mean the sender is innocent.
#31 Dec 19 2006 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
syriul wrote:
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Go back to playing Lawyer.


In the real world, tricking someone into doing something when they thought they were doing something else, especially if said person didn't know any better or suffers personal/financial harm is a scam. Blizzard bans scammers.


I'm not playing, and it's no trick. It's simple, and I understand that for some people it's so simple it's hard. Stop making up excuses, in the real world if you pay COD for a package and it ends up being a piece of bubble wrap, guess what??? There's no GM to report to.


Because clearly, recieving a COD package in WoW and recieving one in real life are the same thing...

I have no sympathy for impulsive clickers that just clickity click click click and then even click confirm boxes that ask them if they are SURE they wanna do this. People should know better than to trust someone they do no know at all, and if they do trust everyone.. well they'll learn a fairly important life lesson. What more is there to do? Add an additional dialog box asking you to actually type the word 'yes' into it before it completes the transaction? I think Blizzard should just LOL at these people and tell them to suck it up.
#32 Dec 19 2006 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
Yup it's the same stupid people that sell a copy of a letter (presumably one advertizing a RMT site) on the auction house for 1-50g.
#33 Dec 19 2006 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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syriul wrote:
TempestReborne wrote:
Go back to playing Lawyer.


In the real world, tricking someone into doing something when they thought they were doing something else, especially if said person didn't know any better or suffers personal/financial harm is a scam. Blizzard bans scammers.


I'm not playing, and it's no trick. It's simple, and I understand that for some people it's so simple it's hard. Stop making up excuses, in the real world if you pay COD for a package and it ends up being a piece of bubble wrap, guess what??? There's no GM to report to.

I reported my RL scam (technically it's called slamming when a telcom does it) to the FCC. There are government agencies that have divisions that do pretty much nothing but regulating industries to make sure they are selling what they say they are selling. My mom works for a court reporting firm and their biggest clients are utility and phone companies because they're always in hearings with lawmakers trying to get regulations lifted and litigation because someone pushed the regulations too far.

I'm glad you at least see it as immoral to try to trick someone like that but even if the person is stupid (<--- I agree that this is almost always the case, even with me and my first-apartment-telephone-adventure) and even if they deserve it, that doesn't mean it should be "legal" (in the real world or in game TOU) to trick them out of money or items, even if you don't lie outright. From my understanding though, there is a lot of outright lying in these cases. The letter says "Please accept this gift of 50G and a potion" when it's a potion for 50G COD, or like in another thread here, someone sells an epic item for a lot of money and sends it wrapped, but the buyer finds out it's not the item they asked to buy.

I think they should just make it so that you can't COD gift-wrapped packages, or clicking to accept the COD shows you what's inside. They have this problem every year at Christmas. :\
#34 Dec 19 2006 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
COD will probably be removed because a small fraction of the community are too immature not to abuse it.
#35 Dec 19 2006 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
Im sorry but how can anyone claim that something like that in real life is not a scam and would have no punishment. Dude if you live in the USA you can be sued for anything.

And besides as a business owner you can be sued and criminally found guilty for this kind of misleading business practice. You might get away with it for a while, you may even avoid the criminal side of if, but I doubt a civil court will let you walk out of something like this unscathed.
#36 Dec 19 2006 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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A COD scam?

Sounds fishy to me...



;)

Edited, Dec 19th 2006 1:30pm by Ringthane
#37 Dec 19 2006 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Ringthane wrote:
A COD scam?

Sounds fishy to me...


AAAGH!

*keels over and dies of a pun overdose*

That was horrible... and yet excellent! :)
#38 Dec 20 2006 at 1:50 AM Rating: Default
"if it's a 5 copper grey, and you put a 10g COD on it, it is scamming."

IMO, only if they tell you that its a 10g item that is wrapped.

If I mail some random person a 5c grey item wrapped and set the COD to 10g, and not mention anything, and leave the note blank, thats not scamming. Scamming involves lying, which I failed to do in my above example. Ya, they got ripped off, but I never "cheated" them, they are just too naive.
#39 Dec 20 2006 at 2:49 AM Rating: Decent
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21;mid=1166365149109436916;num=25;page=1



check out my post on a scam... and all i did... cant believe that there are people who believe blizz does anything about it... as clearly stated in the agreement we all clicked on, dont get involved with scams, and no, we will not give you your money back (-;

#40 Dec 20 2006 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Kek!
i did an "scam the scammer" and it worked, i didnt refuse / open the mail with the scam package, (i got it randomly, not reacting to "deal to good to be true" whisper)
I send a same looking package / mail back with the same wrapping paper, header line, body, same amount and everything, COD. Im 50g richer now, I couldnt/cant stop laughing.
Long live the windows "i dont read i just click" generation.

Edited, Dec 20th 2006 7:04am by Sjans
#41 Dec 20 2006 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Damn these games need to have display a warning reminding you to turn your brain on before playing. Theys some doobeus stoof goen on der.
#42 Dec 20 2006 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Sjans wrote:
Kek!
i did an "scam the scammer" and it worked, i didnt refuse / open the mail with the scam package, (i got it randomly, not reacting to "deal to good to be true" whisper)
I send a same looking package / mail back with the same wrapping paper, header line, body, same amount and everything, COD. Im 50g richer now, I couldnt/cant stop laughing.
Long live the windows "i dont read i just click" generation.

Edited, Dec 20th 2006 7:04am by Sjans


Curse my Low-Medium population server!

You should have made an alt or 2 and done the same thing ;)
#43 Dec 20 2006 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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We have such incidents on my server as well as those so called enchanters who steal the enchanting mats and/or the money and logs off right away. We had a discussion about this on realm forums started by a Hordie who had gotten scammed somehow that I can't remember at the moment. His solution was simple:

Right after he understood that he scammed he bought tons of blacksmithing hammers (which costs some odd coppers) and sent them to the scammer with the same note attached to all of them. "Give my money back" I think he did send like a thousand hammers or more. And he did get his money back at the end.
#44 Dec 20 2006 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone keeps sending me 1 Refreshing Spring Water with a 50g COD price.

The person is an idiot though, because if/when you click the item, you get a pop-up box asking if you're sure you want to pay 50g for the item.

You need to be a bot-monkey or a ****** to accept that one.
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#45 Dec 20 2006 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra the Meaningless wrote:
You need to be a bot-monkey or a ****** to accept that one.


With the average person I run across in PUGs.... They probably make a lot of money with this scam.
#46 Dec 20 2006 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Ialaman wrote:
Mazra the Meaningless wrote:
You need to be a bot-monkey or a ****** to accept that one.


With the average person I run across in PUGs.... They probably make a lot of money with this scam.


Smiley: lol

True.

The annoying part isn't as much that I got the mail once, but that she keeps sending me the crap AFTER I reported her once, AFTER I replied to her, explaining how I wasn't her average numbnut and saw the scam coming a mile away.

The ***** keeps sending me crap with a high COD price. I put her on ignore and she sent the crap from an alt. Luckily I haven't seen anything from her since I reported her last time.

I hope she got suspended for good.
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#47 Dec 21 2006 at 8:10 AM Rating: Default
TseTsuo the Wise wrote:
i like when people are wrong, everyone knows they are wrong, all the facts say they are wrong, official statements by company representatives say they are wrong, yet they still think they are right.

Those people make me smile. Ergo, syriul makes me smile.

Thank you syriul.

1.35, making quite the name for yourself.

Alot of people smile from happiness others because they are ignorant. It seem you are a victim of ignorance. I'm willing to bet that the name I make for myself are from those that smile alot like you do. Read the posts before judgment. And before putting someone in their place put yourself in their place.
#48 Dec 21 2006 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default

Smiley: lol

True.

The annoying part isn't as much that I got the mail once, but that she keeps sending me the crap AFTER I reported her once, AFTER I replied to her, explaining how I wasn't her average numbnut and saw the scam coming a mile away.

The ***** keeps sending me crap with a high COD price. I put her on ignore and she sent the crap from an alt. Luckily I haven't seen anything from her since I reported her last time.

I hope she got suspended for good.[/quote]





Now thats just outright harassment, I hope she got banned for good too.

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 8:19am by syriul

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 8:18am by syriul
#49 Dec 21 2006 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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syriul wrote:
Read the posts before judgment.


Read em. You're acting like a fool.

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This type of action is not a scam. Neither the ToU or Blizzards Definition of Scamming apply to this.

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I recently had an individual who did this and his account was suspended for 72 hours by means of being reported.


Apparently Blizzard feels differently than you do. And they can ban your account for no reason at all if they feel like it, even if it somehow doesn't fall under those rules.

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Not only is there no grounds but there was no proof that the action was even done other than word of mouth.


Ah ha, wrong again. Blizz keeps records of all mail transactions. They use them to investigate all manner of incidents, such as suspected goldbuyers or hacked accounts.

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In conclusion, after spending about an hour on the phone with Blizzard (for my "client") I was able to to get his suspended account overturned and an apology. I also advised my "client" not to engage in action like these and advised Blizzard to redefine, more clearly, their idea of a scam and the ToU.


Lemme guess, you work for a gold farming firm? But seriously, this one time I called Blizzard to tell them it was ******** that I had to pay 720g for an epic mount so they mailed me one.

True story.



Anyone else notice a massive influx of trolls lately? School can't go back in session soon enough for me.

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 6:41am by Poldaran
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