Honor Gain Reduction (Blizz Post)Follow

I will say it was too easy before. But I definitely do not like the idea of making non retroactive changes. It appears to be a huge let down to the people who the whole reward change was suppsoed to help the most, the casual players.

And who cares if some player is able to get every reward in 2-3 weeks. I dont. In most cases they proable had similar gear anyway if they were that hardcore. But the casual player not in a hardcore guild proble would have gotten a few pieces between now and BC.


Also look at the time of year. Many colleges are on break. Many High schools are in a slow period. Many of the players that have time proable have more time right now. So this may not be the best time to determine the rate people are getting honor.


I like the person who is saying pug vs pug and premade vs premade. Also with this change I think less people will do pvp so queue times will also go up. Before patch av was an hour queue. The last few days it has been 20 mins or so.

If you're talking about PVP, it's not the amount of points you get, it's the ratio of playtime. There's no way to make a casual player competitive in a PVP environment with hardcore PVP'ers. The rule changes affect everyone equally. If they give a 20% increase, then everyone gets a 20% increase, and since the hardcore PvP'ers are playing twices as much as the casual player, they're effectively getting an even larger increase than the 20%. They're likely playing twice as much as a casual player and getting the same benefit/increase to points.

Edited, Dec 12th 2006 3:08pm by Spoonerdood

Solution: Go to AV. There are no premades, and gear is less of an issue. If you want to run WSG or AB, get a premade yourself. Just spam "/1 LFG PVP" and get yourself on vent. That alone will increase your PVP ability by at least a factor of 10.

Holy crap, think about this for a second. Think about the old PvP system as applied to this week. The old system was on a curve so could you even grasp how much honor it would take to get in the top 10 in standing this week?

Yeah it seems it got changed after 2.01 to favor people who work and/or go to school full time but still like to play a couple hours a night (more on weekends).

This made it to easy for the "No Lifers" who play 16 hours a day to get GM gear in a matter of days.

Kinda sad but I suppose they have to find a happy medium.

The ironic part is that if they had released it at THIS level of honor a week ago, people would still be jumping for joy at how ridiculously easy it is to get epics compared to the old system. Like rappoccio said, you can show up naked and do absolutely nothing for a few hours a day and collect epics at the end of the week. People can cry all they want about how the old system didn't take any skill and raiding doesn't take any skill and those people get epics... but I assure you both of those systems were far more rigorous than even this new "hard" system.

People complaining about premades vs pugs... you can't force premades to play other premades unless you compensate them for playing more difficult teams. It's a bit ridiculous that people are complaining about losing all day long yet they still expect to cash in on ezmode epics... here's a clue: IF YOU'RE LOSING ALL DAY YOU DON'T DESERVE PVP EPICS AS A REWARD! This modified PVP system is still the only way you can consistently fail and be rewarded with epics... you think raid bosses magically give you epics just because you wiped a certain number of times?

thiblariont, you're complaining about how it would take you two weeks under the old system but now it will take you three... do you realize how ridiculously good that weapon is? That is the equivalent of the weapon that has an 8.28% drop rate off a boss in AQ40 that almost no one does... there is ONE weapon in the game that is a better mage one hander and that is off Maexxna... and is once again a low droprate, high demand item.

Raiders spend hours upon hours, day after day, week after week, month after month learning how to down these bosses for a chance that it might drop on they day that they are there when they have enough DKP to win it. The difference between two and three weeks of casual evening PVP for a guaranteed epic is negligible compared to possible months of raiding for a chance drop.

Do I think it was poor form for Blizzard to start out so easy and then pull it back as opposed to vice versa? Yes, that is never a good business model.

Do I think people are forgetting how amazing it is to suddenly have such relatively easy access to fantastic gear simply because it will now take them 43% longer to get it (nevermind the fact that it's probably 1% of the time it would take in the old system)? Yes, I do.

/rant

Edited, Dec 12th 2006 3:53pm by noobasaurus

It would have been a total nightmare. The old system's optimal conditions were :

1) Hardly anyone PVP'ing
2) Getting a group that steamrolled pug's over and over and over again.
3) You had to agree with other high-ranks on the server to "let" someone else get Rank 14 at least once (by playing slightly less)
4) You had to buy all your gear at once (no incremental upgrades).

What a freaking nightmare. Now, you put in time, you get gear. Fast. It was and still is Christmas time in WoW.

My guild had a discussion prior to this announcement and we presumed the HWL gear was so easy to acquire now so that going into the Outlands won't be too painful for non-raiders. Need some gear to survive? Just PvP for a couple weeks and gear up!

Dudes, is it just me; Ive been playing for like 3 hours now and it appears as if im gaining honor even quicker now. Wouldnt surprise me if blizzard made a mistake. If so you need to get in on the game and play for now, then come back and complain when they get it fixed.

Ok..I'm gonna comment on this. I haven't been playing WoW all that long but I am still kind of lost on why the reduction is such a big deal to what seems like a lot of people (atleast on the o boards). I see people complaining about not being able to get epic stuff in literally a couple days, now it might take..what..a week or so, maybe a couple for casuals? Why exactly is this such a horrible thing, because from what I understand it was just way to easy to get them before and in turn would make these same people complaining get bored even faster..especially the hardcore players..no?

So true. By the time, BC comes out PVP epic gear will be useless.

To be honest, I'm not sure what I'll do once I get the PVP epic set. Unless Blizz upgrades the PVP epic set (not arena system) there is little for me to do.

For now, I'm still enjoying the PVP grind. But who knows?