My battlegroup.. God bless 'em. They'll win an AV in 20 minutes or less, garaunteed or your money back. Just dandy. No arguement here. Their strategy involves rushing to Frostwolf Relief Hut as fast as possible, maybe stopping along the way to bully Galv. We might even claim one of the 2 Frostwolf towers before Drek hits the floor.
So how can I argue with results? Well, with results like these, you might find yourself wanting to have a word with your allies, too.
Seriously, every game I do my best to explain that avoiding contact with all towers and elites is the worst way to earn honor in AV. I tell them losing, with every enemy mob killed and all towers ablaze nets more epics moolah, than their standard cameo appearance at Frostwolf Hold strat. Even when I mention that a solid defense of 12-15 people at Stormpike can ensure a win with all possible bonus honor from objectives, I'm told I don't know what I'm talking about. God forbid a game last a whopping 25 minutes.
I suggest to them that they look at the score screen when we *ahem* "win" at the end of the game, but everyones already gone before Dreks carcus even has a chance to slump over.
I'm looking at 100 go-nowhere AV marks now, with my 2 piece Epic set pre-BC (pre enough to make the grind worth it) becoming an ever distant dream.
Anyone else find themselves winning the battle but losing the war like this?
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Don't get me wrong with what im about to say, I like the old AV, the LONG ones. But at this time, myself like many others are farming honor, we want our weapons. And The horde in my battlegroup don't seem to understand six 20 min AV's > one 2 hour AV. They are always trying to force turtles, I just don't get it.
I've also noticed alot of alliance that sit on D and just try to farm HK's while they leave 10 of us to struggle and try to win it for them on O.
I've also noticed alot of alliance that sit on D and just try to farm HK's while they leave 10 of us to struggle and try to win it for them on O.
AB's seem to be the best way to get honour lately.
Shinkyu wrote:
six 20 min AV's > one 2 hour AV.
Absolutely.
But 2 hour AVs haven't happened in this Battlegroup for a very, very long time. The longest AVs take no more than 30 minutes. That's all elites and all towers done and worth a lot more honor than the fast wins, as the screenshot shows.
My worst game yet, was winning with 181 bonus honor, while the losing Horde again got more honor. This time, it was an unbelievable 362 for each of them, literally double ours.
Alliance wins, indeed.
2 examples of the games with some defence plus elite/tower capping:
24 agonising minutes
and if they thought 24 was bad...
Edited, Dec 12th 2006 1:00am by cowwithbeans
You posted a screenshot of the bottom of the score sheet. Please post the top. Even with the 'race to Galv' method, you can get a fair amount of HKs and ancillary honor. In my experience, the stragglers and those that are working their way from D to O will take care of a lot of those secondary objectives. My favorite tactic is to join the race to Galv and then pvp on the way to IB and FW a bit until I'm killed. Usually, I find myself back at SP (unless SF is capped). Then I can play D and get a ton of HKs.
Edit: BTW, in your sig, it is по not па
Edited, Dec 12th 2006 1:02am by Kirsanov
Edit: BTW, in your sig, it is по not па
Edited, Dec 12th 2006 1:02am by Kirsanov
Kirsanov wrote:
You posted a screenshot of the bottom of the score sheet. Please post the top.
Well, I don't have it, but what am I missing?
The second screenshot is a lot closer to the top, though.
Kirsanov wrote:
Edit: BTW, in your sig, it is по not па
Heh, thanks.
Hence the "не очень хорошо"
Edited, Dec 12th 2006 1:05am by cowwithbeans
Well, it's just that people at the top will have a lot more HKs while those at the bottom are more likely to have not been in very long and might have missed the secondary objectives. Plus, 19 minutes isn't *too* bad. I mean it's not like the sub 10 minute games I've heard about. :P I will agree with you that never killing Galv or capping any of the towers would get kinda tiring.
Best part is the random lamer who goes "we get 200 honor for winning quickly" as if AV is on some kind of timer with diminishing honor.
the horde on your battle group also just roll over or try to rush to Van as well.... if they tried to win (aka defend Drek) you will have a lot more fun. this patch is going to solve the AV problems, the leet ppl on ally side in ur battle group does not get it "yet". I say Blizz should change something and make getting every objective completed give an extra 1k of honour (not a lot, its a grind anyway PLUS the items will become outdated) farmers will go after these and make AV the real AV again. epic conflict, burning flesh....
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Battlegrounds are kinda pointless when it just becomes "click join game button 100 times, collect epics." There's no actual battling anymore, just a trivial push towards the 60 honor tokens.
Not that the old honor system that forced 96 hours of grinding per week to rank up was any better. But the new bandwagon PvPers are tiresome to say the least. (Especially when they PvP instead of coming to guild raids
) What battlegroup? I know on mine (blackhand/illidan among others) we horde have the opposite problem. If I want honor I'll go to AB and rake it in, but when you do nothing but lose, 50 AV marks is a long way to go. I'm up to 28 now. Any attempts to get us defending are responded to by insults.
Depends how fast you zerg in AV. You still need to play defense. But you have to kill all the npcs that yield honor points to get the most out it. I've had games were Horde lost but had more honor points than the alliance.
And with the Van single pull, you can have a win in 15 minutes.
All in all, AV isn't as bad as it used to be. I remember the only time Horde won was when we played D. And the game usually lasted 60 minutes.
And with the Van single pull, you can have a win in 15 minutes.
All in all, AV isn't as bad as it used to be. I remember the only time Horde won was when we played D. And the game usually lasted 60 minutes.
Cowwithbeans, I feel your pain. It's exactly the same in my battlegroup. Everybody's screaming "rush to Frostwolf" and you get cussed at if you actually try to kill any of the lieutenants or destroy the towers. Most of the people just don't seem to recognize that (at least in our battlegroup) honor tokens are ridiculously easy to obtain for the alliance. There's no need to "win at any cost". But to "win" with 100 and something bonus honor is a pain.
I attribute it to the fact, that in my battlegroup most people are totally oblivious to change. When the horde started to heavily defend galvangar, they just couldn't get used to skipping him at first and returning later for about two months. Then rushing became the dominant strategy, and now that horde doesn't defend at all anymore, they just won't adjust accordingly.
Well, I wish us both luck that our "voice of reason" will be heard sometime :D.
I attribute it to the fact, that in my battlegroup most people are totally oblivious to change. When the horde started to heavily defend galvangar, they just couldn't get used to skipping him at first and returning later for about two months. Then rushing became the dominant strategy, and now that horde doesn't defend at all anymore, they just won't adjust accordingly.
Well, I wish us both luck that our "voice of reason" will be heard sometime :D.
In my battlegroup we are forced to leave a lot of people on D because of that bug. We dont stay behind to farm hk's, we do it to delay the horde long enough to win. If we didn't, we would lose in a few minutes with Van's agro exploit.
On the other hand, I always wonder why the horde doesnt defend. On the very few occasions they have defended IBGY they have won.
To the OP, fortunately our battlegroup does kill every elite and caps all the towers. Even with a loss I still generally net about 300-400 bonus honor.
On the other hand, I always wonder why the horde doesnt defend. On the very few occasions they have defended IBGY they have won.
To the OP, fortunately our battlegroup does kill every elite and caps all the towers. Even with a loss I still generally net about 300-400 bonus honor.
Dartanicus wrote:
On the other hand, I always wonder why the horde doesnt defend. On the very few occasions they have defended IBGY they have won.
Shh...don't remind them. I like these 15-20min 350 honor games.
I miss the old AV's, now honor is an extinct animal. The other night we won but the only bonus honor we got was from me taking the bunkers back in DB and the FWGY that someone claimed, they ran right past all the other graveyards and towers. Someone tried to tell them the honor numbers we get for each tower, gy, and so on and they were told to "STFU" The badges don't mean anything if we don't have the honor to go with them, I have 21 AV badges in the bank and I have 1800 honor. And I hate the idea of having to do AB for honor, it's usually me guarding the flag by myself and getting yelled at by know-it-all 14 yr-olds for letting 10 hordies take the lumberyard from me.
I just go capture the mines solo. It's pretty easy and I can usually grab one, sometimes two, and still be there to kill Stormpike. The towers can't really be soloed (saw someone almost do it before a colonel and lieutenant came riding up behind him >_<) so it's at least some bonus honor even if nobody will listen to you.
My husband's tried convincing people to do all the objectives along the way, too, and after seeing the reaction he got, I don't even try.
My husband's tried convincing people to do all the objectives along the way, too, and after seeing the reaction he got, I don't even try.
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I just go capture the mines solo. It's pretty easy and I can usually grab one, sometimes two, and still be there to kill Stormpike. The towers can't really be soloed (saw someone almost do it before a colonel and lieutenant came riding up behind him >_<) so it's at least some bonus honor even if nobody will listen to you.
My husband's tried convincing people to do all the objectives along the way, too, and after seeing the reaction he got, I don't even try.
My husband's tried convincing people to do all the objectives along the way, too, and after seeing the reaction he got, I don't even try.
I've gotten the IB tower by shooting all the guards from below and then sicing my pet on the LT while I take the banner and then I kite him to the flag so that I can get help killing him. The tower usually falls back to the horde cuz I don't get any help guarding it until it burns, I'm a hunter not a tank and we suck at melee and there's no place to back up to get room to shoot; so I die and they take it back.
On our Battlegroup, we usually have about 15 people on defense that clog the Horde before they get to the SP graveyard, while the offense clears the entire instance. I've been playing on D lately just to get more honor, but our strategy is overall VERY effective. We can slow down the entire horde team with about 15 people, enough to have them still staring at SP GY while Drek is going down.
I usually net about 400+ honor in this method with a win, and they take about 20 mins.
I usually net about 400+ honor in this method with a win, and they take about 20 mins.
That's pretty much how we do it. No matter who wins, it usually ends with both sides getting at least 300 honor. Both sides win as the game lasts 15-20 mins and that means 900+ honor an hour.
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