new honor system and how it worksFollow

NEW Honor System how it works... etc.... 12/10/2006 4:34 PM

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This post is a copy from the post on the US forums by Essene.
link: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=39684523&sid=1

It gives an explanation on the new honor system and the requirements for the PvP rewards. These values may still change before (and after) the patch is released, but I hope it gives you a fairly good idea of what will be needed to get the PvP Rewards after the patch.

In short, 1 honor point ~= 10 current honor. So the epic chest for example will cost the equivalent of currently 202500 honor, plus 30 AB marks. Rank 14 two-handed weapons will cost the equivalent of 450000 honor and one-handed weapons 225000 honor

----------------------------- Forms of Honor ------------------

There are 5+ basic forms of Honor "Currency" & Rewards:

1. Honor Points
2. BG Tokens
3. Hold/Thrallmar Marks (expansion)
4. Arena points (expansion)
5. Zone-based Tokens (i.e. "Halaa Battle Tokens" & other expansion zones)

The Honor Points appear to be similar to daily honor contribution. You kill or do XYZ amount of honor stuff for the day & you get these pts in return. You can spend them on pvp stuff like gear. You can also buy gems for sockets. These spendable points seem updated daily. Honor points are not capped.

The BG Tokens you already know & you can spend them. Generic pvp stuff also sometimes requires these Tokens as well. BG tokens now stack to 100.

The Hold/Thrallmar Marks are for world pvp around world pvp areas or from related world pvp quests. They garner you rewards as well. Example Hold/Thrallmar Mark rewards: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=50

Arena Points rewards oughta be self-explanatory. They come from Arena fights. The character panel tracks your Arena performance in 2v2, 3v3 & 5v5 along with total Arena points. Arena Points are capped at 2x the most expensive Arena item's cost.

The Zone-based Honor tokens such as Halaa also gives stuff. This is a world pvp town where Offense attacks (with aerial bombs!) & Defense tries to maintain the guards. http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=1228

--------- Level 60 Rewards ---------

Here's my quick sketch of the lvl 60 PvP rewards when translated into the new Honor Points system.

Rank 12 equivalents: 43875 points

Epic Pants cost 19125 honor pts & 30 WSG marks.
Epic Gloves are 12375 pts & 20 AV marks.
Epic Boots are 12375 pts & 20 AB marks.

Rank 13 equivalents: 51625 points

Epic Chest now costs 20250 pts & 30 AB marks.
Epic Helm now costs 19125 pts & 30 AV marks.
Epic Shoulders now cost 12375 pts & 20 AB marks.

Entire epic set is 95,500 pts plus 80 AB marks, 50 AV marks & 30 WSG marks.

Rank 14:

22.5k pts for epic 1-hand (ranged weap & shields)

45k for epic 2-hand. http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=1109

Entire blue set: 21,520 pts

Boots are 2750
Gloves are 2750
Pants are 4250
Chest is 4500
Shoulders are 2750
Helm is 4250

Other lvl 60 stuff:

Basic pvp insignia/trinket is 2750. Lots of stuff here http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=1154

Also, WSG epic pants are 8500 pts & 60 marks. The blue lvl 60 WSG sword is 10,000 pts. I assume the AB & AV rewards are similar requirements. See more at http://i14.tinypic.com/2a5g7q0.jpg

Some of those items have very minor changes which simply reflect translation of crit %s to the new critical strike ratings & such. I havent done the math, but dont expect them to scale well to 70 (i.e. if the crit rate translates to be the same at lvl 60 the new math is that such a crit percent on that item will depreciate slightly as you level because +14 critical rating at lvl 60 is stronger, more crit %, than +14 critical rating at lvl 70).

----------- W'aaah, how hard is this? ----

What does this mean in terms of getting real Honor---> reward?
How long will it take to get this stuff?

The rough rule that we're using is "10% the honor you used to get." So, think like 500-1000 honor an hour depending on how you play.

Folks in beta are all reporting about approx 20 Honor Points per solo kill in the 61-64 range. Some report up to 30 at higher levels. I've also noticed that we'll get from 1-13 or so within pvp groups (i.e. splitting honor).

PTR 2.0 folks are reporting honor points at around 10% the rate of the previous honor (including bonus honor).

The lvl 60 Rank 13 epic set is 95500 pts total. Obviously you'd also need to garner the BG tokens. Folks are getting 500-1100 an hour depending on how they play and what BG. At 1000 an hour an epic 2-hander would be 45 hours of pvp. For casual players, this is not a "freebie" at all and more like 60-90 hours.

For casual players looking for complete sets, it will still be some serious work. For those trying to get specific pieces then it becomes very manageable. For the uber-hardcore full-time farmers who are want 1-2 pieces this will become gratifying with a couple days work.

-------------- level 70 Rewards -----

Marshal's (epic 70) & Gr& Marshal's (non-epic 70) gear http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=1121

Prices on other versions appear to be as follows: http://i14.tinypic.com/3zteee8.jpg

http://www.thottbot.com/beta?f=a&name=general&minl=100

(Epic 70) Marshal's/General's Belt 14000 pts & 40 AB tokens
(Epic 70) Marshal's/General's Wrist 9250 pts & 20 WSG tokens
(Epic 70) Marshal's/General's Boots 14000 pts & 40 EotS tokens

Sergeant's Cape/Cloak (epic 70) 9250 points & 20 AB tokens
http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=7356 & http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=7355

http://www.thottbot.com/beta?f=a&name=high+warlord&minl=100

(Non-Epic 70) Gr& Marshal's/High Warlord's Shoulders 5500 pts & 20 AB
(Non-Epic 70) Gr& Marshal's/High Warlord's Pants 8750 pts & 30 WSG
(Non-Epic 70) Gr& Marshal's/High Warlord's Helm 8740 pts & 30 AV
(Non-Epic 70) Gr& Marshal's/High Warlord's Gloves 5500 pts & 20 AV
(Non-Epic 70) Gr& Marshal's/High Warlord's Chest 9000 pts & 30 AB

(here's a NPC vendor selling all that stuff http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=2712 )

You can see 70 blue weapons here http://i11.tinypic.com/2r5rci1.jpg

Marshal's/General's 2h 25000 & 40 AV
Marshal's/General's 1h 15000 & 20 EotS

More listed here http://www.thottbot.com/beta?f=w&name=marshal%27s&quality=3&minl=100

There is also a new BG & thus a new set of Tokens you'll see listed here/there for the 70 gear.

Where do you get the epic weapons & other slots?

---------- Arena Rewards -----------

From all indications thus far, the Arena rewards will be cream of the crop & fill out the slots for those focused on PvP. Apparently this stuff is all available out in Netherstorm, which is currently unavailable to beta testers.

EDIT: See Distress' post below for much more info on Arena.

In general, it appears that the Arena rewards are all named "Gladiator" in some form.

Chest, Legs, Head, H&s & Shoulder pieces available: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?f=a&name=gladiator&minl=100

Cross-ref with these class-specific screens (i havent checked for consistency in info yet):

http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/images/screenshots/arenasetsroguehunterwarrior.jpg
http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/images/screenshots/arenasetspriestwarlockmage.jpg
http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/images/screenshots/arenasetsdruid.jpg
http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/images/screenshots/arenasetspaladin.jpg
http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/images/screenshots/arenasetsshaman.jpg

Helms are 1875
Gloves are 1125
Shoulders are 1500

For weaps, check out Distress' link http://bcspy.bc.funpic.de/index.php?categoryid=29&sid=1

Two-h& weaps (& bow/guns) are 3750 arena points
One-h& weaps (& the shields/offh&s) are 1875 arena points

See also for cross-ref on most of those http://www.thottbot.com/beta?f=w&name=gladiator

-------- Remaining Questions --------
Q: How much are epic pvp mounts?
A: 30 WSG, 30 AV and 30 AB marks - 150 riding skill required

Q: Any info on Eye of the Storm BG?
A: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=44854959

Q: How do the arena sets and Tier4 sets compare?
A: http://i14.tinypic.com/491rxn4.jpg

Q: We lost all rep and ranks?
A: Ranks and Rep are all removed. No compensation for previous rank.

also

Honor points are like gold. You can save up to 50,000, if I remember right from what I read.

It will carry over into any upcoming PvP seasons.

They will never disappear or diminish. But once you hit the max, better spend some of it!


gonna edit this and add a few more things in regard to pvping here

found this post.. pre 2.0.... but i think it will apply still.

HK and honer are 2 entirely different things. Honer is based off of how much damage you do in a fight, if you do one auto shot on a guy then he dies you will get a hk but hardely any honer. I'm not sure which nos was asking about though... I think I made my point anyway.


also posted on this is...

Isn't honor spaced evenly throughout the group? I know there was a lot of talk about this when the honor system came out, as priests were claiming they'd all have to go shadow in order to get any decent amount of honor. Blizz responded (if I recall correctly) that the amount of honor you get is proportional to the amount of damage you do to a player... if you're not grouped. So ungrouped rogue A does 60% of the damage to a player, ungrouped rogue B does 40%, rogue A gets 60% of the honor, rogue B gets 40%. But let's say Rogue A is grouped with a priest. His 60% of the honor from that kill is then shared with the priest (I don't recall if it actually splits it, or if they both receive the full 60%). So, theoretically, I suppose if your pet deals 10% of the damage to a player and someone you're not grouped with does 90%, you should get 10% of the honor (pet counts as grouped with you). If someone you're grouped with does the other 90%, it should work like the above listed priest scenario.



also posted... was a post in regards to dishonorable kills not being anymore and any prevouse dk's are wiped in patch 2.0

Quote:
We haven't changed who is vulnerable and who isn't but we have changed a few things such as guard level in some areas and (I believe) what happens when you kill some of those npcs.

The removal of the DKs is just as much a part of testing as anything else is. We are keeping an eye on it and how players react to it etc.


http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=43204885&pageNo=1&sid=1#12

Neth said it.

(Note he said we will see the reaction.... but I think most people at least pvpers will be frothing-at-the-mouth happy.