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#1 Dec 10 2006 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
Was the worst invention ever done by Blizzard. I HAVE to get people from my guild, as there are only around six people at any one time going to Strat - and they're usually doing another random instance...

However, I'm glad they updated honour ranks before the patch (Knight title for the win) and I enjoy the new talents, as I can now ACTUALLY kill things as a paladin.
#2 Dec 10 2006 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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It'll improve once people start to actually use it. Right now we're in 'zomg, change is eeevil' mode, and people are just yelling around cities, avoiding the LFG tool. Once people move past that and use the tool, groups should form a LOT more quickly.
#3 Dec 10 2006 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
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#4 Dec 10 2006 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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The biggest problem I have with the LFG tool is that you're limited to only choosing 3 dungeons. If Dire Maul is one of your desired instances and you don't care which wing you do, that will take up your entire three alloted slots.

I personally liked the LFG channel much more.

Don't get me wrong, its a very well designed tool. I just think it's a bit too limited.
#5 Dec 10 2006 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
I think it is the worst thing EVER for a number of reasons

1 the limited number of choices
2 u can only see items near your lvl....ie if I'm playing my low alt I can not see a UBRS raid forming which my main may like to join.
3. Very limited people using atm if u are without a guild this is a killer
4. since its been up I have only done 1 instances instead of the usual 5/6
5. getting the composition right for a group does not seem possible.

Along with he other problems it is making me think very seriously of leaving, which if you think about it is silly but I guess it is the straw that broke the camels back etc
#6 Dec 10 2006 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
the lfg system is much better now, first of all, because the barrens chat on horde side is once again limited to the barrens(THANK YOU BLIZZARD!!!), and secondly i think that once people stop trying out the new honor system, and as before mentioned, start to actually use the new system, things will go much quicker. also, as for group composition, just uncheck the auto add member thing. then u can choose who gets in your group.
#7 Dec 10 2006 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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The LFG tool is great in that it acts as a mediator. Sometimes, in the old way of using the chat channel, you'd have 5 or 6 people LOOKING for group, but no one would actually lead them together. The LFG tool does that for you. I do agree that it is somewhat limited... the person has to actually be looking for that specific dungeon group in order to get matched up. With the chat channel 'systems' we would a lot of times get 'impulse' players that would want to join on the fly.

IMHO I don't think they should have removed the LFG channel. Perhaps just revert it back to city wide only or something.
#8 Dec 10 2006 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I still want my global chat.

Grinding is so boring when you can't have some drama in that channel.
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#9 Dec 10 2006 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Yea it was good for a laugh sometimes... and a few additions to your ignore list, but still, a chuckle is a chuckle Smiley: laugh
#10 Dec 10 2006 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
Don't like it much. Didn't give it much testing, but when I tried to find an LBRS group, it instatly got me into a group with another hunter and 3 rogues. Might need more looking into, but it was much nicer to just do whatever I want, and if I'd notice an almost full group going somewhere - I'd join.
#11 Dec 10 2006 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Some people in this topic need to learn to uncheck the auto-join box.

Don't knock it if you don't understand it.
#12 Dec 10 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I like the fact that you can see who is searching for more, and it displays who is in their group (including level and class) in the tooltip. Last night I was able to merge my half made group with another one that was searching for more because of this.
#13 Dec 10 2006 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
my only issue with it is the bloody auto join is borked.

my first 4 groups were auto join groups. i was signed up for dungeon and in my "notes" had instances only please.

i join the first group, it was not a group it was 1 rogue. within 1min he disbands, poof there goes group #1.

2nd group, was also not a group, it was 1 hunter... again within 2min, poof there he goes.

3rd. same issue, was a hunter again... also disbanded under 2min.

4th was a group, well hunter and rogue combo, but they were not wanting to run an instance... the rogue disbanded less then 1min after i was auto joined...

no sir i do not like this new LFG autojoin tool.

next time i used it i checked OFF the auto join with the notes:

do not bother inviting me unless you are running an instance and have a group.

i got an invite, but see my thread about that bloody rude/stupid/ignorant combat sham... worst PUG i have had in 15 levels.

now the #1 thing i LOVE about the LFG tool is that it only takes 2 to summon members to the instance stones... that is a godsend.

i also miss the LFG world chat. yes it often was full of spam and junk, but it also provided me a chance to look for lower level alts, or at least something to do other then solo.
#14 Dec 10 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
I know about the auto add member thing, in fact I mainly go for LFM before doing anything else,that way i can check 2 or 3 instances.

I still hate it, just me maybe but it does not suit my play style...I too would often join on the fly...and without the formality of a guild it did add some entertainment and chat.

Glad I have not bought TBC yet, I can always cancel before then...mm what is online DD like anyone? Or maybe back to MTGO :)
#15 Dec 10 2006 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
Everyone hated the global LFG channel too when it first came out.. infanct I am sure someone here can find a past thread of hate posts about it.

But the new tool is solid, and once people get over the battlegounds, for now it's going to be a bit hard getting groups for anything.
#16 Dec 10 2006 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Everyone hated the global LFG channel too when it first came out.. infanct I am sure someone here can find a past thread of hate posts about it.

But the new tool is solid, and once people get over the battlegounds, for now it's going to be a bit hard getting groups for anything.


The main problem is, it doesn't turn off once you're in a group...
So, I try to get people to go to Strat, and they're in BRD, or going there...
And, I got invites to parties last night, even though I was certain I'd turned it off.
#17 Dec 10 2006 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
I like the idea of the tool, but the implementation of taking away the global LFG channel was terrible. It should have been weened off or something. Now there is lookingforgroup and lfg that people keep joining/leaving because not very many people join/use it for the same reason. It takes forever to find a group for an instance. Luckily I have some nice guildies to help me run through lbrs.
#18 Dec 10 2006 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I think this LFG system is symptomatic of a game that discourages thought and group play, by simply ignoring the entire concept of a well balanced and composed group of team-mates and randomly throwing people together, blizzard is basically telling its players that grouping in wow is *supposed* to be senseless...and we should have figured this out long ago....
#19 Dec 10 2006 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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SamsaX wrote:
I think this LFG system is symptomatic of a game that discourages thought and group play, by simply ignoring the entire concept of a well balanced and composed group of team-mates and randomly throwing people together, blizzard is basically telling its players that grouping in wow is *supposed* to be senseless...and we should have figured this out long ago....



So this LFG tool is meant as a sign that groups in WoW are sub-standard? That's not logical IMHO.

The LFG tool came as a result of player demand, just like the GLOBAL LFG channel. Of course, when the chat channel emerged, people asked why Blizzard couldn't put together a decent LFG UI. A lot of people hated the global channel.

So we finally get one, and now some people are complaining that it's sub standard and even some people are wanting the LFG channel back.

Blizzard just can't win.
#20 Dec 10 2006 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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So this LFG tool is meant as a sign that groups in WoW are sub-standard? That's not logical IMHO.

The LFG tool came as a result of player demand, just like the GLOBAL LFG channel. Of course, when the chat channel emerged, people asked why Blizzard couldn't put together a decent LFG UI. A lot of people hated the global channel.

So we finally get one, and now some people are complaining that it's sub standard and even some people are wanting the LFG channel back.

Blizzard just can't win.


WoW has been out what, almost two years? I don't think it's too much to ask for a decent LFG system. And we still don't have a system that comes anything close to that of other MMORPGs. You're right, Blizzard can't win when it comes to the LFG system.
#21 Dec 10 2006 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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So we finally get one, and now some people are complaining that it's sub standard and even some people are wanting the LFG channel back.


I want the LFG channel back, but I never QQed for a tool after global LFG was implemented because the channel worked just fine for me. If I was doing something and the spam got too much, I would leave the channel and rejoin later. The chatting never once hindered my ability to form or find groups.

Never understood why people complained so much about the chatting or the spam. It really wasn't difficult to make a new window for the channel and hide it when you didn't need it if it bothered you that much.

Anyways, I miss the global LFG channel.

#22 Dec 10 2006 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
I think keeping the LFG channel would have been the proper thing, but also introduce the LFG sytem as well. I loved the LFG Channel, and I love the LFG system because I don't have to type LFG ______. WIth the new system you don't even have to think, but so many people are testing out the new honor system they just don't care much for the LFG system now.
#23 Dec 10 2006 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
The new LFG is the worst thing to happen to low and medium population servers since free server transfers. I have run at least one instance every night on a medium pop server since the patch and it has taken a MUCH longer time to get a group; I used the LFG interface for every single one, and out of all those groups, only ONE MEMBER was acquired through the new UI. Granted, it will hopefully get better IF and WHEN more people start using it, but the biggest reason why it sucks is because you have no means of communicating with casual groupers with the UI. Most people who join up for instances do so casually, "I wasn't planning on running mara, but now that you mention it, sure." Also there is the issue of being able to see groups forming for alts/mains.
The main reason Blizz created the new LFG IS NOT because of player demand. It is because they didn't like having their GMs deal with people getting reported on the lfg channel all the time. I have that from a blizz employee. They are a business: their primary concern is making money, and a lot of players getting reported eventually costs them money.
The only positive thing about the new UI is that it encourages more networking and fewer pug runs. Which I guess is a good thing...? Oh and the spam from the old lfg channel is just gradually moving to the trade channel.
#24 Dec 10 2006 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Starry,

Are you criticizing the LFG tool or more so the fact that it took them this long to come out with one? I would agree with just about anyone that said Blizzard's idea of a LFG system (pre-2.0) was more of an after thought than anything. They very well could redeem themselves with this new tool.

I'm not fully aware of how other systems worked, except for FFXI. So far, WoW's LFG tool is superior to FFXI's search system.

I honestly don't see a problem with the LFG tool. While there is always room for improvement, I think the biggest problem is it's lack of use at the moment. The WoW community still needs to adjust. In FFXI, we would fully take advantage of the search function and seek out desired jobs and level ranges. I think to properly take advantage of this tool, we need to start utilizing the search function a lot more than we do now.

I also don't think we should stop using the chat channels.




Edited, Dec 10th 2006 8:44pm by Webjunky
#25 Dec 10 2006 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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entrybydoors wrote:

The main reason Blizz created the new LFG IS NOT because of player demand. It is because they didn't like having their GMs deal with people getting reported on the lfg channel all the time. I have that from a blizz employee.


That's cool, because we all know that anecdotal evidence is the most solid and reliable kind there is.....

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They are a business: their primary concern is making money, and a lot of players getting reported eventually costs them money.


And I'm quite sure their GM payroll bill was starting to break their wallets. No, this tool definitely came from a player demand. I don't understand how you think that the time and development costs for this tool was made just so their GM's can deal with less verbal abuse reports.

#26 Dec 10 2006 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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If people would actually USE it, it would probably be a blessing. Sadly there is hardly anyone in the queue so far. Idiots are instead running around capitol cities yelling in general chat LFG! Thing is, you can still join the queue AND use the channels. Blizzard has already done all they can do. It is now up to the players to make it work.
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