have melee sham, become the next Hunter/Rogue/...Follow

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my last 3 PUGs i have had 3 differnt sham who all went melee, no totems, or very few, almost no healing and nothing but chain lightning and big spinning axes that break sheep and make it next to impossible to gain and keep agro when they are hitting for such high DPS.

now my little warrior, with plenty of help from this forum, has become a very good tank for most groups. heck i even OT in ULDA at 38 the other night and was only the cause of 1 wipe due to low level agro. i was able to hold my own as OT and keep the mobs off of the healer from heal agro.

i have been playing MMOs long enough to know that i am doing a good job. can i get better, h311 yes, will i get better, you had better belive it i will. am i better then most tanks in my level range, without a doubt on my server that is. most tanks in my level still seem to think it is all about DPS and go 2h zerker or combat stance instead of stick/shield defense stance. oh well no biggy there.

so what gives with the tons of combat sham who seem to think they are tanks and when you ask them politely to wait a bit before they chain lightning so you can build agro they get all pissy and leave the group...

example last night in RFD:

39 warrior me, prot spec for the most part
38 sham using his big 2h axe that procs and makes you spin
39 druid (first druid i have met at this level who was as good if not better then most priests at heals)
35/34 hunter (forget if he was 35 or not) did a not to bad job, but no clue how to use his traps.

Ok in that situation i am the highest level and i have more then 1k HP then anyone else in the group. love my mods to tell me group hp/mana #s. i start off with pulling either by charge (if only 2 mobs) or with my gun when more then 2 mobs. as i start to do this the entrance mobs are no big deal as they are all L34 or so elite and i can solo most of them as can almost all of the group so over pulls are not as big of a deal on the live side. the shame starts off with Chain lightning BEFORE my shot goes off...

Ok every mob and its friend go running STRAIGHT to him, then bounce from him to the druid as the druid has to save his life with a big heal...

now i am taunting, sunder, revenge like a mainiac to get agro on me. i manage to get all but 1 mob on me and leave it at that. i start doing my job to build agro, and pick 1 mob to kill.

sham finishes off the 1 mob i could not agro and then comes over and without assisting on me he pulls one of the other 2 mobs off of me, thus again causing the druid to HEAL him (i am only down 20% life at this point mind you) and sending the 3rd mob over to the druid, so off i run again to grab the mob off of the druid and get him back on me.

i then go and take agro back from the sham for a short bit before we kill that mob and onto the last 2...

wash repeat for the first 4 or 5 pulls.

i then state:

"please let me pull, and gain some agro BEFORE you start your attacks so I am not having to chase the mobs all over the place and we can kill them easier"

this was made after the shaman states, "man this is hard" no **** dumb a$$...

he then launches a verbal attack on me stating that i dont know what im talking about and that he should always pull. reality here is the hunter should be pulling IF he were 4 - 5 levels higher, but if not, then let me pull just to build up agro, or choose a different spell to pull with.

so again he jumps in front of me and pulls down 8 mobs on us... guess who is the LAST one to die. yup that would be me and that without any heals from the druid or pots from me... why? simple i have the most AC/HP in the group and the mobs are still only L34 - 35 elites.

so we round up again and this time i ask him to not pull with his chain lightning spell and let me pull with my gun.

he gets pissy again... ok fine.

this time i ask if everyone is using the 'F' key to assist on me. the sham "why should we assist on you?"

me "am i not the tank in this group?"

shame "then why am i doing all of the tanking?"

me "simple you are a fool for attacking so fast even after asked NOT to and to wait to give me time to generate hate."

i was starting to loose my cool with this guy by this time. my gear was down 40% (was at 100% just repaired before i left Org) from the deaths, 4 in total under 40min, and 90% of them were HIS fault.

me "mr. big boy with his chain lightning and mega axe and thinking his is all big and that with his mega DPS is why i can not get agro. you need to give me a chance to build up hate on the mobs before you go attacking like that, then things will be much simpler"

he disbands stating he does not have time for this and will just get a run through...

good riddens to him and his kind.

so was i right to blast him at that time or no?

/frustrated

/rude off

no long time back i asked about how to be a better tank. i know i was doing a great job last night, this sham **** was being stupid.

oh sorry. guess it was time for me to catch up to the levels were that tread affects players... oh well. still frustrating and did i do wrong or no so far as how i handled the situation.

Yes someone did make this thread, I remember getting quite upset.

The name of the thread was, I hate shamans or something to that nature.

Either way, Since you put it as melee shamans, I forgive.

Im full resto spec, with a one hander. I always toss down totems before every fight and main heal. You would love me. :)

I find everytime i cross another shaman that is exactly what you named, they are excactly that, so i agree. They are hard to keep from aggro, they dont know how to throw a heal if it saved their life, and they just wanna jump up and start everything.

Healers worst knightmare, especially if you have a limited mana pool such as myself.

I wish they would just understand, that you are a hybrid class ment to fill spots, and not cause problems.

But i find every single class has these people, just lately its been the shamans, quite a while back it was only the hunters. Next week it will be the next class i choose to roll. :)

thanks, but also keep in mind i had politely asked several times for him to not pull with chainlightning and to wait for me to build agro, plus other polite requests to stop pulling the way he was.

after 45+-min and 4 wipes and him challanging me as to me being the tank, i kind of lost it.

I would have told the druid to not heal the shamy and focus on you (the party's tank). And just let him DIE, and move on without him. If he thinks he's such a badass he can heal himself!

That shaman solos too much. I operate in a similar fashion - few totems, heavy on the melee, but only soloing.
That's what shammies do when they're not grouping. In a party, even at lower levels, I made sure I had a set of Mana gear, and mainly healed; take a mob off the squishies if one comes back, but otherwise let the tank do his job.