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#1 Nov 29 2006 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
Okay, it's been on my mind all day, so I have to share this story. It's kind of sad, kind of unimportant, but I'm like that uncle everyone has but doesn't want to admit to. I'm here to regale you with yet another patented Wondyâ„¢ story.

Last night, I saw someone looking for a BRD group for A Shred of Hope. I've been wanting to get further along the Ony attunement, so I checked the person- a 60 priest. I whispered her and got invited. A 56 rogue soon followed, and a 55 mage. We then got a tank- a paladin (which I always have misgivings about, but we should have had more than enough firepower to manage). Checked locations, and realised I couldn't see the paladin on the map. Everyone else was in IF or on their way to BRD.

A few minutes later, the paladin said something to the effect of "I'll be there in a sec- we're winning!" I asked what he meant, and watched his health bar go empty in two seconds. "I'm in AB- almost done!"

I sighed. I asked if everyone else in the party was okay with him being in BGs while we cleared the way, and they all seemed to be. I went along, and we cleared the path to Marshal Windsor, using my boar as a tank- and doing a good job, I might add. The Paladin joined us one patrol before Windsor's door. He demanded a STA buff from the Priest, and I asked him if he wanted to throw up an aura and do a blessing. "Oh yeah- I forgot to do that when I died lol". As soon as I see someone use lol as part of a sentence my neck hair rises.

To make a long story short, we got the relevant buffs and started off. The Paladin couldn't keep hate from my piggy, but the piggy was doing fine and we were moving smoothly. We made it to the golem room, and started to clear it out. We ended up clearing out one side, and the pally basically said we wouldn't have to clear the other side because Argelmach would run to the side we'd cleared. I should have known better.

Pally ran in, Argelmach ran out- straight into the other side, aggroing the golems still there. We wiped rather spectacularly, and I once again noted a trend that whenever it's critical that Feign Death work, it is resisted. We all released, and the @#%^ing pally, who'd contributed the least time and effort, gave us a quick "G2G" and left the group. The group leader said, "Don't worry, I have a replacement already!"- and a Warlock joined us. He said, and I kid you not, "Hey guys, vw tanks, k, lol?"

I gave my apologies, left group, and hearthed out. I then decided I'd be better off logging entirely and making dinner.

It can get so disheartening sometimes to have one moron spoil an otherwise excellent group.
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#2 Nov 29 2006 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Wondroustremor the Flatulent wrote:
"Hey guys, vw tanks, k, lol?"


Classic. ^^

Some days you just have to give in and realise that the God of Wow has picked you to be his *****. Its usually at those points that i go see if there are any decent movies on the telly or grab a beer with a mate because, honestly, it'll just get worse until he turns his attention elsewhere. ;)
#3 Nov 29 2006 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
I always thought a vw would make a really good tank. It may be a little small, but you just can't beat that German engineering.

Smiley: tongue

Actually, that sounds like a pretty funny sig.

Sorry you had such a sucky experience, but it just reinforces my anti-pug mentality (at least in WoW).
#4 Nov 29 2006 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
I've run BRD with no tank before, just a Hunters Pet and a lock's VW. I'm a rogue though so I tanked the beginning of the golems, and yeah we cleared them all first.

Also it was not a pug but good peeps from my guild. It can be done however.


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Some days you just have to give in and realise that the God of Wow has picked you to be his *****. Its usually at those points that i go see if there are any decent movies on the telly or grab a beer with a mate because, honestly, it'll just get worse until he turns his attention elsewhere. ;)


so true.
#5 Nov 29 2006 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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And why I usually refuse them too. Just last week, my mage was invited to SM. We had four so far. I got to Southshore quickly and then noticed that the warrior and priest were in IF, but the pally was in desolace still finishing the quest chain there. And they only asked in LFG once in every ten minutes for a fifth. After about 20 minutes, another group asked in LFG for a tank for SM and then warr says "see that? BYE!" And leaves group. And so does everyone else, quite quickly. I don't know why I bother to even accept. /shakes head
#6 Nov 29 2006 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a rather long list of people on my ignore list for that same reason.

A few days ago we decided to do a UBRS run, it was mostly guildies with the exception of a few. Among these few was a guy in full PvP gear.

Since the begining of the run he was generally rude and obnoxious. Saying things like he was L33t!!1 and what not. Long story short, after several wipes we needed a new healer because ours had to leave. When the new one arrives I notice he was in the same guild as the aforementioned person... I'll let you guess what happened...

Needless to say they almost ruined our entire evening. They were removed from the raid group but kept harrasing us through vent...


Edited, Nov 29th 2006 4:19pm by Dartanicus
#7 Nov 29 2006 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I've never done anything but PUGs and I've been playing for over two years.

Now you know why I'm such a pessimistic ***hole all the time.
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#8 Nov 29 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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The second i see someone pull something stupid like that, I leave, no question about it. I dont have the tolerance.

You did the right thing.

That group was going nowhere and fast. BRD isnt per-say a hard istance, but people have problems understanding that It is infact and instance and you need a supporting group to make it work.

The glorious torch room without a tank or something tank like, I can only imagine. I guess if you have a skilled rogue, that wouldnt be a problem, but chances are most groups dont. The word skilled is very important.

And an unskilled group that has to run through that thing, is another story entirely. I cannot wait to heal that room someday, I will go mad.

At that point, I will be saying heal yourself if you have the skills, if not soak up as much aggro as possible, that way they are not on me.
#9 Nov 29 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
I've had some crazy groups--some tank-less--and sometimes they work. They key is skill, though, which is generally lacking in PuGs. Not to mention, I have yet to see a Big Blue tank well in a group situation; you'd be better off with your piggy as a tank.

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I cannot wait to heal that room someday, I will go mad.


It's not too bad, the mobs hit like little girls. They key is mana conservation since you can't really drink much. Sucks as a shaman too, since totems are next to worthless in that room.
#10 Nov 29 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah thats what I was thinking, Since i dont have any HoT's either it would be a little difficult.

I hope to never be in that situation. I am resto specced which is good, but i guess my mana would be better used throwing down and AoE totem like fire nova than throwing a mana spring or healing spring, they will just get killed.

At that point i hope to have my trinket for mana tide, and my mana tide totem, so hopefully if we get in a spot where we can stop i can toss one of those down for all the mana users. I guess that my biggest concern, running out of mana.
#11 Nov 29 2006 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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than throwing a mana spring or healing spring, they will just get killed.


Don't do that. The old group won't kill your totem because they should already have agro on your party. Since you're constantly moving, a new spawn or roving group will visit your old fighting spot, agro on the totem, and come after you. You could drop a new totem for each area you fight in (to de-spawn the old totem), but that wastes even more mana.

Fire Nova, Mana Tide, and the trinket mini-tide totems are the only viable ones since they have short lives. It's a shame since Stoneskin would be perfect for a place like that. I still think we need a way to dismiss our totems, and this is a perfect example of why.
#12 Nov 29 2006 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I used to PuG it all the time. Always got pretty frustrated, so much that i decided to just mostly solo.

Then I joined TFS and now I just dont PuG. I cannot stand the idea of it. It makes me cringe.

Way too many retards in this game.
#13 Nov 29 2006 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Jantis wrote:
I always thought a vw would make a really good tank. It may be a little small, but you just can't beat that German engineering.


*groan* :D

That's so bad, it's good! ^_^
#14 Nov 29 2006 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh, I PuG all the time.

About 2/3s of the groups I get into wipe very quickly or disband before getting to the instance...

#15 Nov 29 2006 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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You could drop a new totem for each area you fight in (to de-spawn the old totem), but that wastes even more mana.


Good point, only mana-tide and the trinket tide.
And something like fire nova. Nothing that has any sort of life to it.

Mana tide only lasts like 10 seconds... The benefit way out weights the chance of aggroing, but that all depends on where you are in the room as well. If your really getting hammered by people you just gotta throw it and pray, I guess?
#16 Nov 29 2006 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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That's the reason I PVP all the time now.

It's bad enough to have to wait for everyone to form. You also have people who insist on doing it 'their way' even though it defies logic.

And the repair bills when you wipe....Ugh!

#17 Nov 29 2006 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
Mazra the Meaningless wrote:
I've never done anything but PUGs and I've been playing for over two years.

Now you know why I'm such a pessimistic ***hole all the time.


PUGs suck teh ***** they make everybody disgruntled :P
#18 Nov 29 2006 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Wondroustremor the Flatulent wrote:
As soon as I see someone use lol as part of a sentence my neck hair rises.


Gotta watch out for those lollerskates...they often lead to trips on the whaambulance.

I personally hate PuGs, though I think they're important and everyone should be forced to do a few.

Only place I'm really comfortable PuG'ing is DM North. It's the only instance I've never had trouble with a PuG in.
#19 Nov 29 2006 at 11:33 PM Rating: Decent
On my server, I am pretty much always PuG-ing, its tough for the first few instances, but for the later ones, it usually works out pretty well with the notable exception of Uldaman and Gnomergan, those 2 places I just can not find a good group to go with.

Not all PuGs are bad, I usually go by guild as a filter though, and if they start crapping up I just stand in and tell them straight up.

What you described though is a pretty crappy experience, I got pretty lucky with my ony attunement, found two t2 tanks and a t1 mage to group cause they were bored...allowed me to get to JB and finished the mc attunement, and you always have to clear both sides of the room for that boss in BRD...I didn't think so at first either but my group was extremely adamant about it, at least now I know why.

Edited, Nov 30th 2006 2:38am by ElementHuman
#20 Nov 30 2006 at 12:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm, I pug a lot, and I have more good groups than bad :)

Maybe I am just lucky. Heck I even pugged Uldaman on my shaman, and we actually god Archaedas down! (And he dropped my Yber rockpunder, yay!)

One thing in common with bad pugs, is that there is little or no leadership or communication going on. In those, I just start taking charge, and it often works ;)

In 1-2 levels I will start PUGing Maraudon with my shaman and warlock (who are both 46 now). I view that as my greatest challenge yet!

But generally I try to get my friends into my groups before I start looking for randoms.
#21 Nov 30 2006 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Had a bad experience with somone in my guild coughondcough he was tanking BRD but refused to use a shield causing us to wipe 3 times, then he started jailbreak before we were ready.

PuG's are the only times you have idiots in your group.
#22 Nov 30 2006 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Only place I'm really comfortable PuG'ing is DM North. It's the only instance I've never had trouble with a PuG in.


:O

I swear, Murphy's Law was invented with that instance in mind. Even in guild groups - with good guildies - anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. I love doing Tribute runs, but at the same time they're always a nightmare. You know Fengus is gonna come around the corner just as you're heading to the locked door, you know one of those damn pats is gonna sneak up on you just as you pull a group of four ogres, you know you're gonna forget to kill one of the eyes.

I loves it tho.

And a couple of days ago I managed to tank it, as a full resto drood. It was awesome, I've never tanked properly before :D
#23 Nov 30 2006 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Only place I'm really comfortable PuG'ing is DM North. It's the only instance I've never had trouble with a PuG in.


:O

I swear, Murphy's Law was invented with that instance in mind. Even in guild groups - with good guildies - anything that can go wrong, will go wrong. I love doing Tribute runs, but at the same time they're always a nightmare. You know Fengus is gonna come around the corner just as you're heading to the locked door, you know one of those damn pats is gonna sneak up on you just as you pull a group of four ogres, you know you're gonna forget to kill one of the eyes.

I loves it tho.

And a couple of days ago I managed to tank it, as a full resto drood. It was awesome, I've never tanked properly before :D


You know, people tell me they have trouble there all the time, but I never have. Just lucky I guess(also, I never forget the eyes...ever. Having to kill those voidwalkers once was more than enough times for me).

#24 Nov 30 2006 at 8:22 AM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Only place I'm really comfortable PuG'ing is DM North. It's the only instance I've never had trouble with a PuG in.


I assume you mean the tribute run?

I'd hate to try and kill kromcrush (the last fella before the king) with a pug. Mortal Strike, Fears and add spawns when only half your group have brains wouldn't be any fun.
#25 Nov 30 2006 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Muggins wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Only place I'm really comfortable PuG'ing is DM North. It's the only instance I've never had trouble with a PuG in.


I assume you mean the tribute run?

I'd hate to try and kill kromcrush (the last fella before the king) with a pug. Mortal Strike, Fears and add spawns when only half your group have brains wouldn't be any fun.


Done it both ways. Usually tribute, but there have been a few "kill" runs as well.
#26 Nov 30 2006 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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"Hey guys, vw tanks, k, lol?"


An improved voidwalker could tank, but the group would have to really feather their damage and put everything they had into keeping it alive - certainly much more challenging than running behind even a less-than-average warrior. Of course, the first boss you encounter would be your last but I've run behind a 'walker through trash mobs while we put out feelers for a tank.

In BRD a warlock is much better off using CC (banish and seduction).
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