Eleberth wrote:
Heya horde players!!
now you all know that I have much respect for all you guys..
I love AV's now that I'm high enough to do them...
What I do NOT understand is when you guys freaking 'turtle' all the time... This is NOT fun to us and I don't understand how it's fun for you guys cos you don't win and AV becomes a very long drawn out and painful process..
Can't we all have fun together??
Good morning. Actually, on Shadowsong, I tend to see more Alliance teams "turtling" than horde as a general rule. Which is fine, gives me more targets to shoot at. But what I tend to see more horde side, now that we have this "cross server" BG garbage, is a ton of horde players giving up or going /afk after 10 minutes if we are not overwhelming the other side.
It seems that if both sides would take the time to approach AV as a battleground and take objectives and such, the overall experience would attract a lot more people that want to "PvP" instead of "rep grind". Given the sheer numbers of AVs I have been in these past three weeks, I made exalted in AV in 2 weeks and stone guard in 3. And other than the SS premades we run every couple days, the other 95% of them go a little something like this:
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"Are we gonna win this time?"
"When do we ever win, might as well /afk now and get your badge"
Argument about honor and rep starts.
Name calling ensues.
Game starts and 30 people run out and mount up. 15 go to defense, 5 go afk, 5 go after rams, wolves etc. and the remaining 15 go on offense, taking the lower road.
"Who's on D"
random inane jokes about defense and why even bother when we will lose anyways.
random smattering of posts about blood and/or rams
"Offense go topside!"
"Way to go O, you are in the meatgrinder on the bottom. You idiots are noobs!"
nasty expletives about play ability, skill, etc etc following.
response from O - nasty expletives, escalation of argument about who sucks more or why they don't.
Galv downed pretty quick (typically in under 10 minutes)- becomes a grind fest at this point along the lower road that everyone knows they should't go to.
"We need to summon Lok"
"Lok is bugged/broken/won't work/ any other reason to lay blame on someone else"
"Way to go wiping O, you guys suck! lrn2play!"
Argument escalates again
"you all suck, follow me"
"I'm not following you, your rank means s--t. I'm higher rank so you should follow me!"
Meanwhile, Alliance camp graveyards, turtle at Vann or steamroll through and take every single place they hit - GY, towers, mines, all of it.
"Oh s--t! We need FW/SP/SH GY/Bunker etc back"
"Shut up, if you didn't suck so bad, we wouldn't have lost it!"
Argument escalates.
Drek under attack
Game over - 17 minutes average in the 47 some odd AVs I have been in.
Final response from random horde players - "you all suck so bad, no wonder we lose! You effing noobs (or other spectacularly intelligent character attack)"
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Umm, maybe ally does this too but THIS is why we lose and why people want to turtle. The infighting, failure to work as a team and overall nasty, childish behavior defeats horde teams LONG before the alliance gank teams do. Oh, and the "your gear sucks so you shouldn't be here until it gets better" is a bunch of crap as well. A LOT of players are not able to raid for the big stuff so this is another option for them to acquire enough rep to get some decent gear. Leave em the hell alone. You didn't have it at one point either so have a nice hot cup of stfu kthxbye.
You know, it's funny, but I do substitute teaching for the school district here and tutor people in computers people where I live and in all my years of doing this kind of work I have NEVER seen this kind of childish attitude from the 10 to 15 year olds I work with or even my own son, who happens to be 14.
Matter of fact, the majority of the whining and name calling comes from the "adults" who can't seem to grasp the simple concept of working together. The "kids" I have played the game with are a hell of a lot more mature about losing, struggling or playing than most of these adults who play. Hell, if kids (who are supposedly so immature and all) can do it, I fail to understand why the "adults" can't. It's a game, there's an objective to win it so quit being a damned tool and focus on the damned objective and work with your team for once, k?
Anyways, /rant off. And greetings to the OP, ally though you may be :)