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You know, I had known about WoW for a long time, and I never cared. When my friends were kvetching about the supposed "anti-grinding" measures that everyone thought was going to punish the hardcore gamers, I didn't really give a crap. You see, I was busy playing FFXI. And though FFXI drove me to insanity a couple of times, I always came back, because that game is like crack-covered Krispy Kremes. Anyway, I had enough of an open mind to go for the open beta. In what was basically less than a week, my heart was stolen. Unless you've actually played FFXI, I don't think you can comprehend the sudden joy of logging into WoW and discovering an MMORPG that fights on *your* side. Shops never close, waiting for public transit is a matter of seconds, bird transportation steers itself, overland travel is fast and interesting, there is no zoning...and so many character slots! And you can swim! Who cares about jumping, YOU CAN SWIM! Rogues are actually rogueish, with cool sneaky abilities. Money flows freely from monsters, so that you never really have to take time off just to make money to pay for the stuff you want to do. Equipment quests are plentiful, quest XP pushes you straight along the path of advancement...I never really felt like I was grinding until I hit around 15-16, and then I changed areas a bit and found some new quests. Yes, around 17, I found some frustration with death and quests I couldn't do alone...but that was the last day of beta, so of course nobody was around to party with. In less than a week, the open beta actually convinced me to change. I was skeptical for a long time, but I kept hearing such good things...then I tried it. My hat is off to Blizzard; I've never gotten past the third map on Warcraft III (just lost interest), and yet they've somehow sold me on an MMORPG.
Yeah WoW is a real wonderful MMO IMO. I also had been kinda skepticle(sp sorry heh) ever sence i heard about the project...*flash backs of D2* but sure enough once i played the game i was HOOKED. Now they take it away from me for 5 days?! They tease better then woman :/
P.S. I found Warcraft 3 very fun, rather enjoyed how long the game was =)
P.S. I found Warcraft 3 very fun, rather enjoyed how long the game was =)
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Woah vamp your right i didnt even notice haha.
Hehe i thought the same about WOW when the beta came out,
One of my friends pursuaded me to get an account as it would not matter anyway wether i decided to play or not. Well i decided to come to allakhazam and see what spells there were going to be. And seeing the evil warlock spells actually made me say "what the hell i'll give it a go".
Like you said after playing FFXI for about 1,5 years you feel like you came to MMORPG heaven when you try WOW. You can do basicly whatever you wanna do in a short time and still feel you actually accomplished something, instead of logging of and feeling irritated because you've been standing around shouting for a party for like 5 hours straight. Money and Exp sure comes alot easier in WOW compared to FFXI where you have to put alot of time in every single aspect of the game to only get that single aspect you needed. And the GUI took me like 5 minutes to figure out, which was about 2 days in FFXI.
Basicly blizzard persuaded me and that friend that made me get and account of my feets, and i'm sure about a million other people too :X
One of my friends pursuaded me to get an account as it would not matter anyway wether i decided to play or not. Well i decided to come to allakhazam and see what spells there were going to be. And seeing the evil warlock spells actually made me say "what the hell i'll give it a go".
Like you said after playing FFXI for about 1,5 years you feel like you came to MMORPG heaven when you try WOW. You can do basicly whatever you wanna do in a short time and still feel you actually accomplished something, instead of logging of and feeling irritated because you've been standing around shouting for a party for like 5 hours straight. Money and Exp sure comes alot easier in WOW compared to FFXI where you have to put alot of time in every single aspect of the game to only get that single aspect you needed. And the GUI took me like 5 minutes to figure out, which was about 2 days in FFXI.
Basicly blizzard persuaded me and that friend that made me get and account of my feets, and i'm sure about a million other people too :X
I suspect so many ffxi-ers are migrating over that we'll be overrun on these boards :)
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Excellent, yes. We have another one, POWER TO THE HORDE!!!!!
I'm gona play WoW next to FFXI.
I liked WoW a lot from Beta and wanna play it for a couple of months. But I know I probly will lose interest in the game after a while and go back to FFXI.
So I'm not closing my account at FFXI cos after 2 months my char would be wiped and I am a member of a Static Party and still want to participate in that.
I think FFXI is really a good break from FFXI. And it has a couple of aspect done in a way that is less frustating for users (Jumping, swiming, fast travel (choco vs birds) is automatic, mass trassit have less waiting time and travel faster, Money seems less of a problem) and u can actually run away from aggroed mobs if you don't want to fight them).
But its way more shallow. There is a lot less to do. And I think that the most interesting thing is the PvP in the higher lvls cos the rest will probly be come boring pretty quick (compared to FFXI where I still like the questing (AF,Genkai), lvling in new and strange places with new and strange abilities/(ancient)magic/Skillchains/ManaBurn after playing for 9 months).
I liked WoW a lot from Beta and wanna play it for a couple of months. But I know I probly will lose interest in the game after a while and go back to FFXI.
So I'm not closing my account at FFXI cos after 2 months my char would be wiped and I am a member of a Static Party and still want to participate in that.
I think FFXI is really a good break from FFXI. And it has a couple of aspect done in a way that is less frustating for users (Jumping, swiming, fast travel (choco vs birds) is automatic, mass trassit have less waiting time and travel faster, Money seems less of a problem) and u can actually run away from aggroed mobs if you don't want to fight them).
But its way more shallow. There is a lot less to do. And I think that the most interesting thing is the PvP in the higher lvls cos the rest will probly be come boring pretty quick (compared to FFXI where I still like the questing (AF,Genkai), lvling in new and strange places with new and strange abilities/(ancient)magic/Skillchains/ManaBurn after playing for 9 months).
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I agree,
I came over from not FFXI but from Lineage 2 (my first MMORPG)and well WoW totally kills it.
One teleports in L2 cost money. Items were in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, anyone could wear anything and use just about any weapon, everyone for the most part looked the same.
Rogues were a joke, only having one race (humans) with thier Treasue Hunters being a high dmg one that hit alot, the LE and DE versions well the LE had next to laughable dmg and the DE could never hit.
Swimming was not even introduced into the game while i played it was planned for a "later" chronicle. If you did not play a Silver Ranger (LE Archer class) or a Treasure hunter (Human rogue class) you were walked all over.
Open pvp no warnings no nothing just running along and you could be killed, or baited into a kill where if you killed the guy and they never fought back, you would go red, preventing you from entering towns, and you would be hunted by everyone hoping to get a good drop off you (up to 5 items on you or in your inventory could drop)
WoW, 'none of this BS and actually fun to play, im so glad i decided to enter the last ST prior to OB it has changed my view of MMO's for good .
Im glad and in 27 hrs ill be even happier.
Edited, Mon Nov 22 07:47:25 2004 by TMOA
I came over from not FFXI but from Lineage 2 (my first MMORPG)and well WoW totally kills it.
One teleports in L2 cost money. Items were in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, anyone could wear anything and use just about any weapon, everyone for the most part looked the same.
Rogues were a joke, only having one race (humans) with thier Treasue Hunters being a high dmg one that hit alot, the LE and DE versions well the LE had next to laughable dmg and the DE could never hit.
Swimming was not even introduced into the game while i played it was planned for a "later" chronicle. If you did not play a Silver Ranger (LE Archer class) or a Treasure hunter (Human rogue class) you were walked all over.
Open pvp no warnings no nothing just running along and you could be killed, or baited into a kill where if you killed the guy and they never fought back, you would go red, preventing you from entering towns, and you would be hunted by everyone hoping to get a good drop off you (up to 5 items on you or in your inventory could drop)
WoW, 'none of this BS and actually fun to play, im so glad i decided to enter the last ST prior to OB it has changed my view of MMO's for good .
Im glad and in 27 hrs ill be even happier.
Edited, Mon Nov 22 07:47:25 2004 by TMOA
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I too am a FFXI-convert. I have played a decent amount of MMOs in my lifetime, and can honestly say that FFXI lacks in many areas to be considered as great as people consider it. While it has a good number of traits, and fewer flaws, it simply lacks features that can be commonly found in other MMOs. What would be considered "innovative" for FFXI is actually standard in most MMOs nowadays (i.e. clan/guild systems.)
Chains of Promathia did it for me. It proved just how unwilling SQUARE ENIX is to be innovative, and how much they do not appreciate the gamers who have supported them throughout these past years.
I had been waiting for FFXI even before it was released in Japan, back in the good ol' days when everyone's worst fear was that the game was going to be released in January 2003, haha. I just barely had the enthusiasm to buy the game in December of 2003, a year after they released it in Japan. But upon buying it, I had gone on and off the game, taking week-long, and even month-long breaks.
Though I have had my share of good times, it is time to move on. So I have given up completely on FFXI now, and hope that WoW truly is as great for an ex-FFXI player as so many have claimed.
Edited, Mon Nov 22 08:17:13 2004 by Shigemi
Chains of Promathia did it for me. It proved just how unwilling SQUARE ENIX is to be innovative, and how much they do not appreciate the gamers who have supported them throughout these past years.
I had been waiting for FFXI even before it was released in Japan, back in the good ol' days when everyone's worst fear was that the game was going to be released in January 2003, haha. I just barely had the enthusiasm to buy the game in December of 2003, a year after they released it in Japan. But upon buying it, I had gone on and off the game, taking week-long, and even month-long breaks.
Though I have had my share of good times, it is time to move on. So I have given up completely on FFXI now, and hope that WoW truly is as great for an ex-FFXI player as so many have claimed.
Edited, Mon Nov 22 08:17:13 2004 by Shigemi
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But its way more shallow. There is a lot less to do. And I think that the most interesting thing is the PvP in the higher lvls cos the rest will probly be come boring pretty quick (compared to FFXI where I still like the questing (AF,Genkai), lvling in new and strange places with new and strange abilities/(ancient)magic/Skillchains/ManaBurn after playing for 9 months).
Honestly, I feel the complete opposite. There really is a lot to do in FFXI, but it's a ridiculous grind. AF? Manage to get a party going, teleport, run, run, run, sneak/invis, sneak/invis, sneak/invis, invis, invis, sneak/invis, BC or NM fight, Warp home, trade in Key Item for AF. OR! Manage to get a party, teleport, run, run, run, kill key holder mobs 'til you're blue in the face, finally get drop, sneak/invis, sneak/invis, sneak/invis, sneak/invis, find chest, Warp home, trade key item for AF. Honestly, those are some DEEP play mechanics.
I have yet to go on a quest where the group actually muscles it's way through, you'd find it difficult to not only find people to help you if that were your thing, but you'd probably **** everyone off by making what "should" be a 30 minute quest into a 3 hour one. It really comes down to the fact that if someone's helping you quest, it's taking valuable farming time from them. They're not simply sacrificing their time for you, they're also sacrificing an unknown amount of gil--a monetary portion of the "next big thing" they're looking to buy.
If WoW has even half the grind that FFXI does, it'll be a blessing from above--an MMO that I can actually play and not have to be absolutely devoted to. Don't get me wrong, I still have an affliction for FFXI, but it's definately not the gameplay that's keeping me there: it's the people I've met that's making it difficult for me to outright quit. Naturally there's also the fact that if I quit, literally 3 REAL months of my life could be considered somewhat moot--at least that's what S-E would want my pocketbook to believe. =)
Edited, Mon Nov 22 08:59:49 2004 by KrycisTemp
This game has taken MMO's to another level, one where the environment is there for you to explore freely, there isn't a lot of pressure to do thing either, as a guild leader, I find pressure in everything since I have a lot on my mind, but in the game, its almost like it drifts away when you can just say ok everyone to blackrock, and its easy to get them there, or anywhere. I love this game :)
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I know exactly what you mean.
It being my first MMO, I was so in awe of final fantasy 11. After a few days going to wows webby, and a week of playing the open beta, I deleted my 107 days of gameplay paladin without looking back.
I remember reading a review of cop awhile back and the reporter said "SE has there MMO down to an art". That guy was wrong but Blizzard sure seems to have it down pat.
It being my first MMO, I was so in awe of final fantasy 11. After a few days going to wows webby, and a week of playing the open beta, I deleted my 107 days of gameplay paladin without looking back.
I remember reading a review of cop awhile back and the reporter said "SE has there MMO down to an art". That guy was wrong but Blizzard sure seems to have it down pat.
it's just nice that blizzard came up with a MMORPG that isn't about spending ages to get something. Ok sure they might have to work hard to keep the game interesting for very long, on some things. But the fact that alot of things are fast paced actually keeps it interesting and stimulating to keep on playing. Just because you simple know you're not gonna have to wait ages on that nice ability you're gonna get on top of the nice abilities you already gathered.
Basicly you're gonna be stimulated to keep on playing for that extra hour to get your goal. Because it wont feel like playing another hour in ffxi f.e. and only gaining 1k exp in most party's.
And we all know that an hour in FFXI has the playing value of next to nothing.
As far as i've seen an hour in WOW can certainly be time well spend.
Hope to see you all soon on WOW
Cheers AereozZ
Basicly you're gonna be stimulated to keep on playing for that extra hour to get your goal. Because it wont feel like playing another hour in ffxi f.e. and only gaining 1k exp in most party's.
And we all know that an hour in FFXI has the playing value of next to nothing.
As far as i've seen an hour in WOW can certainly be time well spend.
Hope to see you all soon on WOW
Cheers AereozZ
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I think my sig gives away my feelings for FFXI.
That game was terrible. I'm sorry that for most people it was their first introduction to MMORPG's, because if it was not, you would realize what a poor game it really was. It had no innovations over the original EQ or any other previous MMORPG. The mobs were boring, but that might be because there were only 3 of them. Ballista is a joke for PvP, PvP being something SE was promising 3 months after the PC launch.
I'm grateful to blizzard for making such a wonderful MMO, and I can't wait to play with anyone from FFXI in WoW. I'm assuming anyone coming from FFXI will be an awesome player, and will have very positive feelings towards WoW and it's gameplay after FFXI. After all, if you can put 100+ days into a toon on FFXI, imagine how much time and energy will go into a good MMORPG. Also, the one thing I did like in FFXI was the community. Most people in that game were friendly. At least they were friendly when I wasn't looking for a group. The elitist attitude that came out when searching for a group was just a function of the gameplay, and so once again I hold no illwill towards the players.
Please note: I'm not attacking anyone that plays FFXI. It took me 2 months to realize how much I despised it, and I had played a number of MMORPG's previously.
That game was terrible. I'm sorry that for most people it was their first introduction to MMORPG's, because if it was not, you would realize what a poor game it really was. It had no innovations over the original EQ or any other previous MMORPG. The mobs were boring, but that might be because there were only 3 of them. Ballista is a joke for PvP, PvP being something SE was promising 3 months after the PC launch.
I'm grateful to blizzard for making such a wonderful MMO, and I can't wait to play with anyone from FFXI in WoW. I'm assuming anyone coming from FFXI will be an awesome player, and will have very positive feelings towards WoW and it's gameplay after FFXI. After all, if you can put 100+ days into a toon on FFXI, imagine how much time and energy will go into a good MMORPG. Also, the one thing I did like in FFXI was the community. Most people in that game were friendly. At least they were friendly when I wasn't looking for a group. The elitist attitude that came out when searching for a group was just a function of the gameplay, and so once again I hold no illwill towards the players.
Please note: I'm not attacking anyone that plays FFXI. It took me 2 months to realize how much I despised it, and I had played a number of MMORPG's previously.
After two years in EQ, my friends decided it was time to try a new game. So we all moved to Horizons. Unfortunately, Horizons turned out to be the biggest disaster I’ve ever witnessed. From day one half the features didn’t work right. It took them over six months to implement most of the things they had promised would be ready on the first day. And even a year later there were more bugs, disconnects and server reboots in a single day in Horizons than I experienced in two weeks of WoW while WoW was still in beta.
We had an entire guild sign up for Horizons. A few months later I was the only one left. I stuck it out because a friend introduced me to WoW. It didn’t take me long to decide that I wanted to play this game. So I stuck it out in Horizons just to kill time. Then I made it into the first stress test. I’d forgotten how much fun a MMORPG could be. I couldn’t bring myself to play Horizons again. WoW completely destroyed what little interest I had left in it. I kept my account active long enough to help my guild win a guild plot, but that was it.
I keep reading that there’s nothing new about WoW. That everything they’ve done has been done before. And in a general sense perhaps that’s true. But Blizzard has taken those general concepts and reshaped them in such a unique way that the game is actually fun to play without forcing people to grind for hours on end. EQ is a great game. I enjoyed it for the two years I played it. But so many things took so long to achieve that they often became work instead of fun. That’s not the case in WoW, or at lest it’s not from what I’ve played.
The only thing I’m waiting to find out is what the community is going to be like. EQ did have a great community. And part of that came from friends helping each other achieve their goals. WoW’s easier play style could lesson the overall community spirit. Or not. It’ll be interesting to see how things develop.
We had an entire guild sign up for Horizons. A few months later I was the only one left. I stuck it out because a friend introduced me to WoW. It didn’t take me long to decide that I wanted to play this game. So I stuck it out in Horizons just to kill time. Then I made it into the first stress test. I’d forgotten how much fun a MMORPG could be. I couldn’t bring myself to play Horizons again. WoW completely destroyed what little interest I had left in it. I kept my account active long enough to help my guild win a guild plot, but that was it.
I keep reading that there’s nothing new about WoW. That everything they’ve done has been done before. And in a general sense perhaps that’s true. But Blizzard has taken those general concepts and reshaped them in such a unique way that the game is actually fun to play without forcing people to grind for hours on end. EQ is a great game. I enjoyed it for the two years I played it. But so many things took so long to achieve that they often became work instead of fun. That’s not the case in WoW, or at lest it’s not from what I’ve played.
The only thing I’m waiting to find out is what the community is going to be like. EQ did have a great community. And part of that came from friends helping each other achieve their goals. WoW’s easier play style could lesson the overall community spirit. Or not. It’ll be interesting to see how things develop.
If on the alliance side, I suggest you drop everything once you hit 19 and go to duskwood/darkshire.
You can pick up a gooey spider leg quest there from the cook, as well as a kiill the spiders quest along the road. The north spiders, near the stream to goldshire, are 19. Soon you will be 20, then you can pick up a couple kill the wolf quests as well (one with the cook, again) soon you pick up about 3 other quests and so on.
Before you know it, you just barreled through levels 19 - about 30 in duskwood alone.
Dude you get a rate up just for using "kvetching" and "crack-covered-krispy-kreams" in the same sentence.
That is no easy task my friend.
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That is no easy task my friend.
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I also agree. The beauty of WoW is that it has a lot of things to do, but none of them are a grind. Sure, you could potentially force yourself to grind for cash or something, but that, in game terms, is simply a waste of time. So we are left with a *fun* game with many things to do that leaves you feeling happy about your time even if you only played for an hour (or less!).
I've played several MMORPGs in my time. Though I suppose few hear have ever heard of Nexus: Kingdom of the Winds or El Kardian, but in the last year I have tried FFXI and City of Heroes. All of these games had a horrible grind, though some to a greater extent than others. We can only hope that future MMORPGs take Blizzard's innovation of "fun first" to heart. I doubt FFXI will ever be fixed in this regard, as it would simply take a huge amount of work for them to do (more than the equivalent of an expansion, imho), and the designers of CoH seem unwilling to acknowledge the advantages of WoW's path.
On the other hand, Blizzard needs to make sure it remains devoted to providing more and more content on the high end, and more and more levels to go through*. What it has now is quite good even for hardcore gamers for several months, in all likelihood, but they can't get complacent. Thankfully, they seem to understand this. : )
-Drachasor
*Levels like the current ones, with new/improved abilities every two levels.
I've played several MMORPGs in my time. Though I suppose few hear have ever heard of Nexus: Kingdom of the Winds or El Kardian, but in the last year I have tried FFXI and City of Heroes. All of these games had a horrible grind, though some to a greater extent than others. We can only hope that future MMORPGs take Blizzard's innovation of "fun first" to heart. I doubt FFXI will ever be fixed in this regard, as it would simply take a huge amount of work for them to do (more than the equivalent of an expansion, imho), and the designers of CoH seem unwilling to acknowledge the advantages of WoW's path.
On the other hand, Blizzard needs to make sure it remains devoted to providing more and more content on the high end, and more and more levels to go through*. What it has now is quite good even for hardcore gamers for several months, in all likelihood, but they can't get complacent. Thankfully, they seem to understand this. : )
-Drachasor
*Levels like the current ones, with new/improved abilities every two levels.
I just got home from School early today (living in Norway) and like alwasys I check Alla, FFXI forum and our ls site..
Then I dont know why but I just saw somthing about WoW and for fun try out www.worldofwarcraft.com, to find out it was a page..
Start reading... 0:30 PM in Norway, First I dont understand much about the site and somthing seems strange like how you die.. 1PM.. I find much thing on the page that I like, and thats the thing I dislike with FFXI.. time is now 5:30 PM, still reading on.. so much good stuff that I hate with FFXI.. thinking about NM drop and price ****..
Then I dont know why but I just saw somthing about WoW and for fun try out www.worldofwarcraft.com, to find out it was a page..
Start reading... 0:30 PM in Norway, First I dont understand much about the site and somthing seems strange like how you die.. 1PM.. I find much thing on the page that I like, and thats the thing I dislike with FFXI.. time is now 5:30 PM, still reading on.. so much good stuff that I hate with FFXI.. thinking about NM drop and price ****..
I'm willing to bet by the time you're done reading, you will not only have been converted, but you will be a WoW missionary. ;)
wow has outright murdered EQ. Everywhere I go there are complaints that there is only like 40 people in pok ( usually it's near 200-300 ). People are actually giving away EQ accounts on message boards right now. You can't even sell a eq account anymore player auctions has like 1000 accounts up for sale right now. And can you blame them? WoW just plain kicks ***. The only people who hate wow is those who have never acutally played it. Haha yantis must be loosing his *** selling plat now I bet he can't even give it away.
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