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#1 Nov 10 2004 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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I apologize if this is (terrifyingly enough) already a dead horse, but I'm having a lot of problems finding a true and clear answer to this elsewhere and I'm unable to register for the WoW official forums. Now, as any avid FFXI player can tell you, gil sellers have pretty much ruined the economy in that game beyond repair and I'm absolutely terrified that if I jump ship to WoW, I won't be alone and my good friends such as the *envoys and Zoo* will be joining me as well...

What is Blizzard's official stance on this, and what are they planning on doing if it DOES happen? The most popular MMORPG is inevitably going to get flooded with these currency selling companies...so does Blizzard intend to give them the ole' Heave-ho, or pull a SE and close their eyes while spinning around in circles whistling?

Again, I apologize if this has been asked before (I did scroll through the previous forums, but without a search function I can only accomplish so much :P).

Thanks in advance to anyone who answers this ^^
#2 Nov 10 2004 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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It's so easy to make money in this game, and you don't need the UBER equipment as badly as you did FFXI, I don't think gold sellers are going to be in this game as much.
#3 Nov 10 2004 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
yea man that is a problem it ruined swg and i hope it doesnt ruin wow
#4 Nov 10 2004 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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Off topic...currency sellers didnt ruin SWG lol.

On topic, they will be out there, but with the fast pace of WoW with leveling and money gain, not to mention soulbound equipment that cannot be resold.

Its going to be there, but its gonna be crap.
#5 Nov 10 2004 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
It's really not that easy money wise since the last patch. If you need to use the spirit healer you items durability drops to zero and you need to dish out large amounts of cash to repair it.

One thing I will say though is all good items bind when you equip them (can't give them to someone else) so they will be worthless to people who want to sell them for real money and should keep the price down on money as a whole. Most really good items are bind on pickup.
#6 Nov 10 2004 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah, right, I had almost completely forgotten about the system of Soulbound items. Mmmm, there goes a vast majority of my fears ^^ Thanks for responding so quickly to this ^^ Rate-ups all around! And perhaps some cookies too!
#7 Nov 10 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
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heehee, kind of hard not to respond when the servers go wonky.
#8 Nov 10 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
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It will exist, but honestly, what are you going to buy with that money? The one e-bay offer I saw was trying to sell 100G for $80...if that's the going rate, is it really worth it to spend 800 dollars to get the level 60 mount?
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#9 Nov 10 2004 at 8:04 PM Rating: Default
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Well, I disagree that currency sellers ruined FFXI. FFXI's screwed up gameplay where groups refused to let you in without uber-loot ruined the game. The currency sellers were the only thing that made it playable. Yes, I did ebay about 1M gil, and no, I'm not ashamed- I have better things to do than spend weeks farming, that isn't fun.

That said, I don't see much risk of gil sellers here. I'm easily making more money than I need, my 21 shaman has all the spells for lvl 20, enough money for 22, and about 50% of level 24s. THe number of nice items retrievable from quests helps immensely. So long as you aren't the type who always insists on the absolute best gear, you'll be fine.
#10 Nov 10 2004 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Not only all that but everything has a level limit. So you can't 'twink' out a character. I know that i have money issues sometimes but I usually get the spirit rez so that eats it up allot. A great deal of how this will happen I think depends on if they allow CB players onto the live servers. If they do farming will go mad at higherl levels if not then everyone will level at once and it will not happen as easily.
#11 Nov 10 2004 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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yea man that is a problem it ruined swg and i hope it doesnt ruin wow


Like you needed to buy it. If you sold your soul and jumped on the armor/buff bandwagon, you could make over a million an hour easily, as much as I'm sad to say.
#12 Nov 10 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
I have a closed beta account and don't want them to let us keep the characters unless it's on a test server and the characters can't be transfered.
#13 Nov 10 2004 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I just found out when i hit lvl 12 how much money is a issue in wow. I haven't wasted much at all just a few copper on empty vila for alchemy and as of right now I cannot afford but 2 of my spells the rest I will need in the area of 20 silver for. By the time I get that i will be lvl 14 and need the monet for those spells too. Until now I thought I was doing well on money.
#14 Nov 10 2004 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Move to a new area and farm these mobs, especially humanoid mobs for gil - they will drop valuable items and gil at the same time, and in return you can head off to a merchant to "sell" the item for the cash back. That's what I've been doing for the past two days, and now have at least 25 SP in my bank and I'm only level 12. I know I still have a long way to go in this game, but it's been considerably easier and much more fun than FFXI (since when is FFXI = Fun anyway?).

EDIT: OMG, I didn't know you were still around, Seoman! It's good to see you in here. :)

Edited, Wed Nov 10 23:54:37 2004 by AdmiralTiger
#15 Nov 11 2004 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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What I've found in WoW to keep money in the bank (so I can get the mount at 40) is that it's best to get equipement at intervals of about 10 levels or so, and just replace old stuff with things from drops/quests. Equipment in the early game is not a deciding factor really (at least I don't think so) and I think it's more important to keep the money you would spend on equipment and save it for repairs/reagents/abilities. Best way to make money IMO is to take up one of the tradeskills. Tradeskills in WoW scale nicely with your level if you start early, and aren't as worthless as tradeskills in other games, nor do they cost a bundle to level.
#16 Nov 11 2004 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think it's a matter of needing to buy money as it is a question will it benefit someone to buy money. from lvl 10 down I had the best of everything and I had plenty of money. If it were like that all the way thru the game then sellers would be screwed. But as I level I see that I now have to decide what I can afford to buy and what I cannot. This goes with armor as well as spells. Plus I can't just get rezzed and fix all my equip too without money woes. But for somone who just bought 100 gold that would make things easier for him because really there's 0 death penalty he can get rezzed and go pay to get his stuff fixed.
#17 Nov 11 2004 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
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100 gold for $80 sounds reasonable, but that's beta money. I wouldn't dream of spending money on a character that's gonna go bye bye. Right now I'm trying to level each class that interests me to 10 or so so I can get the "Grass is always greener" syndrome out of my system. The first 3 years I played EQ my highest was 33 because I kept constantly making, twinking, and deleting alts. Finally I had to make a promise to myself that I would stick with one class and not make anything new. Then I made it to 63. :)
#18 Nov 11 2004 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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100 gold for $80 sounds reasonable, but that's beta money.


For the amount of work to raise it, maybe. But do you know how much you can actually do with 100G? It wouldn't be worth 80 dollars, even to most of the people pathetic enough to spend money on Everquest pp.
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#19 Nov 11 2004 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
well ive been playing this game for only like a few weeks (stress test) and iam a 24 warrior...

i have had some promblems with money when i do i just go farm humans for about a HOUR at the asbosulute most!

unlike ff11!!!!! and all the others

little guide
kill differnt enemys and sell there drop whatever one sells best start with that

my 2 cents

always kill humans lvl 3-7 drop linen cloth sells for like 5-10sliver and are very easy and abundent

more humans higher lvl the better they drop soon wool cloth then silk cloth

or do quests, fight things, or do quests

or do first aid make linen into bandades and sell for souble lienen price

fishing sell the fish or turn into food then sell food

basically this game if you think hard enough its very easy to make money YES YOU WILL/ OR MIGHT HAVE TO FARM but! maybe 1hour and your set for all your new equipment :p
#20 Nov 11 2004 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
CORRECTION

20 liene sell for 5-10 sliver maybe less or more i dont remember cause i farm wool now :p

but its very easy so dont worry. i promise this game rocks the pants of a girl as easy as prom night in the roxberry

my words of wisdom i love all final fantasy games ive evr played and loved ff11 but! now that i need 40gil per piece of gear or i can go with the normal gear but who wants to i mean come on

ne-ways this is a freinds logan iam a 55pld.35war.35rdm.30mn.30drk. and a few others name is exoduss on levithan server

and you can belive how much time ive sent farming and i love to solo and WoW is the only game that i can do and have fun doing it and make money at the same time exploring new land and ppl

so quit ff11 and all others and youll love the fast paced mechanics of this game

well at least iam SOLD!

my in game name is (exoduss) stress test sever 10 pm if you need help or any questions i dont mind at all lol and have a good day amercia :p
#21 Nov 11 2004 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
The official Blizzard stance is that they own all in game content and you are not allowed to sell it in any way.

However there will be many sellers of gold. Especialy with all of the new money sinks put in the game. Many people will prefer to buy gold in order to get their level 40 horse for sure. I know I had to work very hard with my first char to earn enough for my mount.
#22 Nov 11 2004 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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OK there's also another factor no one here is considering. sellers rely on bugs and exploits to make the gold that they sell you. Earning it the hard way is not profitable for them. The fewer exploits and the more on the ball blizzard is then the less selling of ingame cash there will be because sellers will have to rely on people selling them their gold so they can resell it.

So blizzard can control this by staying on top of any bugs, glitches and or exploits and going after with a vengance anyone who uses them.
#23 Nov 11 2004 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
I have found that I do not need to farm in the classic sense. I always have a bunch of quests...there seems to be an endless supply of them...and while I am working on those quests I am getting a bunch of good copper and loot.

Also, work on trade skills. I have a miner/smith and a skinner/leatherworker. In both cases, I am now making money from my efforts, especially the smith. Leather you have to buy thread and so it has a cost. At the early levels smithing only requires the ore or stones...free if you take the time to mine. I look for minerals so I get the little indicators on my map and then take quests that require me to travel. I mine and kill along the way. Usually the quest will send me back or to someone else...more killing and mining.

I bought armor on my Pally but have since wished I had not. My smithing is such that I can now make pretty good armor and save my money for spells, etc. Drops are usually pretty good at keeping you equipped too.

As for using spirit callers...don't. Just run and get your bod. That is free and you are right back where you were fighting to begin with. Usually when I die I am questing. I want to be right back where I was when I died. I paid for the repairs on armor for a spirit caller once. Not worth it. You run as a ghost so you are safe, and you can pick a safe spot to resurrect.

Unfortunately...to get to the main topic...I do believe that there will be money sellers with WoW just like the others. People will WANT to have the best gear and biggest fastest mount. Even EQ and SWG...buying money was not about need. You could easily earn and loot enough money to satisfy needs. It was about want...and that will not be any different in this game.

And...I can understand buying money online. If you played EQ for 5 years and found that you needed a bunch of new and uber gear to be able to raid...well, you do it. You invest all of that time only to find that you need to spend major plat for items to keep going. Farming for that amount would be a waste and a drain so you buy 100K and continue to enjoy the game...without concern for the economy. But that is the way it goes. Supply demand, want need. It will be the same with WoW, I can almost guarantee.

- I earned all of my plat though, and intend to earn my own in WoW.
#24 Nov 12 2004 at 4:42 AM Rating: Decent
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One other thing on currency sellers. The reason they managed to amass so much oney in FFXI is that they camped rare spawn sites and monopolized them. This won't work here. The longest spawn timer I've found is 5 minutes. Not only does this mean you have a chance to beat him (there's a lot of spawns) but there's going to be a lot of drops. More drops=more supply=lower price. Since the supply isn't as limited as FFXI, the prices will drop quickly. Above that, the best loot is in instances. You can't farm that effectively AFK, and anyone can enter their own instance for loot. So they really lost all their gamewise advantages. People will still sell gold, but there will be little need to buy it.
#25 Nov 12 2004 at 6:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Heh, its pretty hard to camp mobs in this game..seeing as how the mobs that would SEEM like they drop good loot, are for quests. They spawn fast for a reason, they don't drop anything that a non quester would want, and why make someone wait for a quest?

Theres no way to camp soulbound items.
#26 Nov 12 2004 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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You know I don't think anyone has really hit on the big thing about this...

PvP Servers!

You find a gold/silver/copper seller and beat him up if your the opposing faction. And if not you just try to get some people to come do it... I'm sure some people would be willing to come so long as they got passage through areas and beat up these guys. Now getting them out though... >.>

We can all agree on one thing though, we don't want this to turn into thing like FFXI. Not that I think it will with the bound items and all, but hey in this one we have a chance to actually make it harder these people to sell their money if we work together!
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