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So very irritated, the below paragraph with quotes was posted on Blizzard’s FAQ, ya know that official site that testers can’t use their forum?
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“How will you prevent camping and kill stealing?
We limit camping and kill-stealing issues by "instancing" certain areas of the game. An instance is a section of dungeon or outdoor area that is private. No other players, unless they are part of your group, can enter your instance of the dungeon/outdoor area. There are also plenty of non-instanced common areas where players can meet and adventure together.”
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I played for 10 hours yesterday, went from level 1 to 8. Not one instance missions, not a one. It’s one thing to have NM’s (Notorious Monsters) with uber loot to try and get, and spawn camping for those add a good game element, because it’s the player’s choice to decide when they want to try to get that NM, and makes it a bit more of a challenge.
However, using spawn camps for mandatory quest completion is just damn ludicrous. Who thought of such a thing? This is a show stopper for me, for the main reason I was thinking about buying this game was because of the FAQ statements above. But to progress thru 8 levels and not have any instance missions in which my friends and I can take the challenges at our own pace, is just upsetting.
So I have to ask, is this because I am on a PvP server? Did Dev staff change the direction of this game?
Does anyone else see this as well?
Isolo
"Just a few more moments of your time.... about the same duration as the rest of your life!"
The game just came out (in this case in the Stress Test form). EVEYRONE started at L1 in the last few days. Were you playing at prime time? Could you imagine ANY MMORPG not having this problem in this circumstance?
In a month or two, it's bound to be a lot quieter in the newbie zones.
Honestly, I'm tired of complaints about this. Last night it's all I heard in the general chat channel.
Oh - Also - if it's kills (and not items) that you're looking for, ask others camping the same mobs to join you in a party. If the party kills a mob, everyone gets credit toward their quest.
Edited, Thu Nov 4 18:22:21 2004 by kingjord
There are no early level instances. The first instance I found out about was around level 35. There are some earlier in the game, but it's not always easy to find them unless you are lucky to get the quest that leads to them. They have a blue door in front of them which you walk through into the instance.
I don't think the competition for mobs with be nearly as bad once there is some time between when the first rush of people come in. Probaby if you wait a week you will have most of the spawn to yourself easy. If you want to compete right away you will have to compete with all the other people. I do believe they need to increase the spawn rate in certain areas though.
I don't think the competition for mobs with be nearly as bad once there is some time between when the first rush of people come in. Probaby if you wait a week you will have most of the spawn to yourself easy. If you want to compete right away you will have to compete with all the other people. I do believe they need to increase the spawn rate in certain areas though.
You're level 8 and ******** about no instances? You're not even out of newbie land yet. I dont know when for sure you can start getting into instances, but i know by lvl 20 the instanced dungeons for sure have begun. And none of the starting quests are mandatory, they just give you nice equipment and money/xp to start with, and the "spawn camping" is barely an issue since most of the notorious monsters have a spawn time of like 3 minutes and drop the item you need every time as long as you have the quest activated, and everyone in your group who had the quest activated can get the same item, or are given credit for the same kill. The only time its not a sure thing for killing creatures and getting quest items is when its a gather mission from these types of mobs. But when its a "Kill this 1 dude" type thing, you always get what you need, first try and the wait between respawns is very very very short.
I can say with certainty though that the spawn rate at the jangalode mines is to slow. It took about 4 minutes for a repop and the mine was filled with people. When retail comes out I will be sure to get a group if I do that quest, but it still will be a pain. Hopefully blizzard will use this test to their advantage and increase the spawn rate in certain areas.
Scholar
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Glorius,
I am not whining, just posting in a forum. Expressing my displeasure with my first WOW experience.
As far as your solution? Those comments are so overrated, "dont like it dont play". MAN, what a great constuctive critisim there.
I'm sorry your sick of complaints like this, when you read a thread you dont like, hit your backspace, go to another thread to troll.
I understand how the party system works, thanks. So my solution is to have force grouping so I can kill 10 X monsters in less then 2 hours? Wow, good idea there.
CoH has instances from the get go, according to the dev FAQ, I assumed, incorrectly WOW would have the same system. No where did it state that instance would be at level 35 and above and be rare at best. So it sounds like they are taking a rare feature and trying to make it a selling point.
Put up with it? No one should have to put up with anything in a brand new MMO.
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Druid,
Thanks for the education, I had no idea, and simply expected something different from WOW's own FAQ. So you can see where my frustration is comeing from.
Well, maybe I will just wait some more till Guild Wars.
Thanks everyone
I am not whining, just posting in a forum. Expressing my displeasure with my first WOW experience.
As far as your solution? Those comments are so overrated, "dont like it dont play". MAN, what a great constuctive critisim there.
I'm sorry your sick of complaints like this, when you read a thread you dont like, hit your backspace, go to another thread to troll.
I understand how the party system works, thanks. So my solution is to have force grouping so I can kill 10 X monsters in less then 2 hours? Wow, good idea there.
CoH has instances from the get go, according to the dev FAQ, I assumed, incorrectly WOW would have the same system. No where did it state that instance would be at level 35 and above and be rare at best. So it sounds like they are taking a rare feature and trying to make it a selling point.
Put up with it? No one should have to put up with anything in a brand new MMO.
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Druid,
Thanks for the education, I had no idea, and simply expected something different from WOW's own FAQ. So you can see where my frustration is comeing from.
Well, maybe I will just wait some more till Guild Wars.
Thanks everyone
There are instances for the 20s, but I missed a lot of them. The game isn't clear on where to find instances, when you wander around if you see a blue portal looking thing that is an entreance to an instance. I believe there are some for the 20s though.
Edited, Thu Nov 4 18:04:40 2004 by DruidOfEq
Edited, Thu Nov 4 18:04:40 2004 by DruidOfEq
Scholar
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Sethar,
Good reply, thanks. I do agree the NM with quest items did appear rather quickly. However that one mission where you had kill 3 types of mobs, like 10, 8, and 1 (the boss), that took way too much time becuase of the players that were there.
Also, yes quest are not mandatory, but when they are a huge part of the exp and gameplay, they might as well be, see what I'm saying?
I do like this game alot, just that part was extremly frustrating and I was expecting a very new fresh instance system simalar to CoH. Best thing about CoH was the instance door missions. Before anymore fan boys jump in and tell me to go play CoH, let me say, that unfortunitly, that was all that CoH had.
Thanks again for the info,
Isolo
Good reply, thanks. I do agree the NM with quest items did appear rather quickly. However that one mission where you had kill 3 types of mobs, like 10, 8, and 1 (the boss), that took way too much time becuase of the players that were there.
Also, yes quest are not mandatory, but when they are a huge part of the exp and gameplay, they might as well be, see what I'm saying?
I do like this game alot, just that part was extremly frustrating and I was expecting a very new fresh instance system simalar to CoH. Best thing about CoH was the instance door missions. Before anymore fan boys jump in and tell me to go play CoH, let me say, that unfortunitly, that was all that CoH had.
Thanks again for the info,
Isolo
Scholar
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Druid,
THANKS! Didnt know that, and yes I did see one last night in the big Hord Capital, it was in the center, and down on the lower levels where the Alchmest and herb dancers hang out. Didnt know that was an instance, and that was level 11 to 13 by the way.
Thanks,
Isolo
THANKS! Didnt know that, and yes I did see one last night in the big Hord Capital, it was in the center, and down on the lower levels where the Alchmest and herb dancers hang out. Didnt know that was an instance, and that was level 11 to 13 by the way.
Thanks,
Isolo
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Put up with it? No one should have to put up with anything in a brand new MMO.
I'm not a troll. You voiced your opinion, and I gave you mine. I did not rate you down or call you names. However, in my opinion, YOUR COMPLAINT IS GENERIC. You are voicing the same complaint as SOO many people. It's old.
The Blizzard FAQs will tell you that the first instances are L20. They also tell you that PvP servers will allow for open PvP between Alliance and the Horde. At L8, you have not even met your allies, you're still in a newbie zone with members of your own race. You want pvp? Select another player and type /pvp. You will challenge them to a duel and if they accept, you can fight to the death.
If you don't understand the inevitability of newbie zones being packed the day after the server opens, you haven't really given it much thought.
Edited, Thu Nov 4 18:23:19 2004 by kingjord
Scholar
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I agree with your last point. One thing I failed to realize was that the fact that this is like an opening day, well EVERYONE is new and at low levels so it will be understandably packed for these quest.
As far as our other comments, I dont like it when people post and simply tell others what to do, like "heres an idea for ya, dont play". That offers nothing, unlike your last reply which was very educational to my issue. Notice I said my issue, didnt attack the precious title.
As far as getting sick of the same thing I can empathize with your frustration, you have 1202 post, you have written so much, and most likely read even more. However it is my first time here, so a little noob leienancy could be appreiated.
Thanks again for your clarification.
Isolo
Edited, Thu Nov 4 18:19:35 2004 by SneakyBastard
As far as our other comments, I dont like it when people post and simply tell others what to do, like "heres an idea for ya, dont play". That offers nothing, unlike your last reply which was very educational to my issue. Notice I said my issue, didnt attack the precious title.
As far as getting sick of the same thing I can empathize with your frustration, you have 1202 post, you have written so much, and most likely read even more. However it is my first time here, so a little noob leienancy could be appreiated.
Thanks again for your clarification.
Isolo
Edited, Thu Nov 4 18:19:35 2004 by SneakyBastard
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As far as our other comments, I dont like it when people post and simply tell others what to do, like "heres an idea for ya, dont play".
Fair enough. I reworded it, and I apologize for being harsh. I guess I was just tired of reading it last night in-game, and I took my frustrations out on you.
Welcome to Allakhazam, btw. It's a great place to come and chat, and I'm sorry I responded so harshly to your very first post.
Scholar
42 posts
Thanks and I apologize for lowering your rating, I will correct it now.
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sorry..
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sorry..
sneaky you missed the 1st stress test. Blizzard had to work hard to increase the newbzone spawnrate and even add a few mobs as some areas where overwhelmed by new players.
It is part of the test to see how the game will go once it hits the market.
Right now it is reccomended to group up as it does ease time, there are some zones like the Taurens what wont be affected by the huge flow of new players as thier starting areas jammed with enemies everywhere. (i wanna go dwarf killing again1)
It is funny since this was the same reaction when i started the 1st stress test. anyhow It is the 1st reaction when you start any mmo.
I do advise that you post your opinion of the zone you started in, did you have to wait a long time? mobs where few? Blizzard needs to know this to do somthing about it.
Keep in mind your "testing" the game not playing it.
It is part of the test to see how the game will go once it hits the market.
Right now it is reccomended to group up as it does ease time, there are some zones like the Taurens what wont be affected by the huge flow of new players as thier starting areas jammed with enemies everywhere. (i wanna go dwarf killing again1)
It is funny since this was the same reaction when i started the 1st stress test. anyhow It is the 1st reaction when you start any mmo.
I do advise that you post your opinion of the zone you started in, did you have to wait a long time? mobs where few? Blizzard needs to know this to do somthing about it.
Keep in mind your "testing" the game not playing it.
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Thanks and I apologize for lowering your rating, I will correct it now.
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sorry..
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sorry..
Hehe no worries... You have to be a "Scholar" to rate posts anyway (you can try to "rate" them otherwise, but it will have no effect). To become a scholar, just make 15 posts and have an average rating of 3.15 or higher. I rated up one of your posts to start you on the way :)
I myself am not a big fan of mass instances, because it takes a big part of the game out in which you feal like your adventuring in a massive landscape with others. I do enjoy an occassional dungeon instance, but they aren't really needed early on.
Spawns are going to be hard to come by whith everyone playing at the same time, but this requires you to group with others in this instance because of the rare occassion thats going on.
From where I have explored with names its my experience they spawn quite frequently. In Durotar the human encampments benedict spawned quite frequently for the amount of people that were there, and if there was someone looking for him, I would group with him and wed get the kill in about 5 mins or so because of having to clear the camp.
In another part of the world, the names spider in the cave in shadowglen spawned incredibly fast(The mob had been dead at most 1-2mins before it spawned again), and there was a healthy group killing it and spiders around it for a while which would invite others if needed.
Instances are rarely ever implemented in games for lower levels because its really not needed and its not the goal of most MMOs for there to be rare interaction with other humans for the entire game because all you have to do is go off on your own instance. Not to mention youll get your fair share of instance farming in higher levels to the point its a boredom.
Spawns are going to be hard to come by whith everyone playing at the same time, but this requires you to group with others in this instance because of the rare occassion thats going on.
From where I have explored with names its my experience they spawn quite frequently. In Durotar the human encampments benedict spawned quite frequently for the amount of people that were there, and if there was someone looking for him, I would group with him and wed get the kill in about 5 mins or so because of having to clear the camp.
In another part of the world, the names spider in the cave in shadowglen spawned incredibly fast(The mob had been dead at most 1-2mins before it spawned again), and there was a healthy group killing it and spiders around it for a while which would invite others if needed.
Instances are rarely ever implemented in games for lower levels because its really not needed and its not the goal of most MMOs for there to be rare interaction with other humans for the entire game because all you have to do is go off on your own instance. Not to mention youll get your fair share of instance farming in higher levels to the point its a boredom.
Here is the answer. Read the blue text (blizzard)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=510911&p=1&tmp=1#post510911
Edited, Thu Nov 4 20:13:08 2004 by DruidOfEq
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=510911&p=1&tmp=1#post510911
Edited, Thu Nov 4 20:13:08 2004 by DruidOfEq
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