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#1 Oct 27 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Default
I dont doubt this has been asked before but...

Of the 3: Paladin, Warlock, and Shaman, which can be Orcs. Also, Are warlocks better than Shamans for dealing damage. Obvoisly, Paladins are the best for melee (i assume), but warlocks get great summons.
#2 Oct 27 2004 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Paladins is a Allience only class.

Shamans is Horde only and orcs have access to them.

Orcs can also be warlocks.

go to www.warofwarcraft.com to get more info about the classes and race your interested in. the info youll get from other posters will be what they prefer.

So if your going Orc as prefered race and warlock and shaman interest you, inform yourself by going into the class section (dont go to the forums) and read what a warlock and shaman can do!
#3 Oct 27 2004 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Paladins are Alliance-only. Dwarves and humans can be Paladins, nothing else. Orcs can be warriors, Shaman, warlocks, rogues, and hunters.

Don't play shaman for the damage. Shaman damage is good, but not good enough to be a reason for playing shaman. Mage, Rogue, and warrior (greatest to least) all do substantially more damage than a shaman. Overall a warlock can do more damage than a shaman as well if he's talented with managing monster aggro. Warlocks require more finesse because they're squishy caster types who can do a lot of damage, but not enough to blow monsters away; if they use their pets to tank, it requires them to tone down their damage a bit or they'll yank aggro. The pet does add its own DPS into the equation, though. Warlocks are easily the best at sustaining fairly high damage levels, however, and have less downtime than a shaman overall.

Final analysis? Shaman damage is not good enough to be the reason you play shaman. If you just want damage, then out of the three you listed, pick up the warlock. Being a shaman means you have to be a team player in groups, dropping totems and adding in heals to boost your party; you can't dump your mana for damage because shaman are secondary healers. Warlocks are a different case. You're there for damage and crowd control, you're expected to do that, so you can be more aggressive.

As for Paladin... don't choose that if you love to deal damage. Paladin is at or near the bottom of the list for damage output. Solid as a rock, difficult to kill, usable for backup healing and wipe recovery, but very poor damage.

Edit: /agree with LordZanon about going to WorldofWarcraft.com for more information. Most questions that you'll ask can be answered either there or in the FAQ in this forum. It would have answered your Paladin question before you needed to ask it.

Edited, Wed Oct 27 13:29:07 2004 by ChahDresh
#4 Oct 27 2004 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually shamans are pretty good right now at any of their aspects if you focus your talents in them. They can do magic damage well, tank and melee well, or heal well. The choice of how you play your shaman is up to you.

Paladin damage is not exactly an appropriate topic to discuss, except the lack thereof and how Blizzard is about to change that.

I don't really consider the warlock a "damage class", but I guess that's what they do, just drawn out over time.
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#5 Oct 27 2004 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Azuarc, I'm gonna have to disagree with you about shaman "tanking" well. If you just mean he can go toe-to-toe with a mob and not wilt like a cloth-wearer, then yeah, shaman are tough. They can take their share of punishment. However, shaman have NO ability to maintain aggro besides their DPS. And to achieve a DPS high enough to keep the mob on them and not the mage they have to really burn through mana quickly. That means lots of downtime, even if you're successful. So if you meant in a group setting, no, shaman can't tank well.
#6 Oct 27 2004 at 9:32 PM Rating: Decent
ChahDresh, I recently heard that warrior is the best damage dealer in the game, it has the highest DPS. They've been bickering about it in the official forums, asking for a nerf and whatnot. I previously thought that mage and rogue were the top two damage dealers with warrior coming in third (just like your list). I'm not sure which to believe now.
#7 Oct 27 2004 at 11:24 PM Rating: Good
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I would be cautious about anything posted in the General forum. Some good information can be found in the forums, but only if you take EVERYTHING with about a shaker's worth of salt. As it turns out, almost everyone who likes a particular class REALLY REALLY likes that class. Which means they REALLY REALLY want their class to be the best, whether they say so or not.

Before you go back to the official forums, I give you the following piece of wisdom:
"I just gave people what they wanted!"
"Bruce, since when does anyone know what in the world they want?"

Now, to answer your question: Rogues and Mages have higher DPS than warriors at the moment. However, warrior DPS is still quite high, and given that they wear plate, this causes people trouble. That's where the calls for nerf come from. People are having trouble with the fact that mages and rogues die fairly easily, whereas a warrior is a tank AND has high DPS. Should warriors be nerfed? I don't know, this is where my expertise runs out. All the data I have points to warriors being third on the DPS list, but is that fair since they wear plate? You've got me.
#8 Oct 28 2004 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
Mages have high DPS? Do they use spells to get the high DPS.
And about hunters, i havent been able to find this anywhere, including the class page. How do the pets work, do they summon them or tame them from the wild, in which case, how would this work.

I origannly wanted to do a Paladin, but noticing that they pretty much just tank long and hit slow and for low damage they seemed gimp. I want something that can summon a pet or something that can solo like a god like the Shaman can in EQ.

My sights have turned towards and Orc Warlock, but im not sure how the summoned pets work on those and how long they last. On the spells page, it shows only one level of 'summon imp' and thats it. Would that pet infact get stronger or is it really ***** like the Wizard Familiar in EQ.

I hate having to relate to everquest so much but its the best basis i know to compare in any way possible.
#9 Oct 28 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, mages have the highest DPS in the game, and yes, they use spells to get it. What, did you think they got their DPS from their staff?

Hunters tame their pets from the wild; the pet then levels up with the Hunter. The Hunter can then summon the pet at any time, including if the pet dies. Be careful about letting your pet die, however, because this makes them very unhappy with out. If you don't feed your pet to keep up its happiness, it may even turn on you. Also note: different pets prefer different types of food.

Paladins taking a while to kill stuff doesn't really mean they're gimp; it just means they take a while to kill stuff. They're hard as a rock, insanely difficult to kill, and against undead their DPS skyrockets. And they're about to get talents. Scary. Also: EVERYTHING can solo well in this game. No one is group-dependent.

A warlock's pets get better as he levels up. They can also acquire new abilities as the two of them level. The warlock has three pets (Imp, Voidwalker, Succubus) with two more coming this patch (Felhunter, Infernal). Pets last until they die, you die, you log, or you switch pets. With the exception of the Imp, summoning a pet requires a soul shard, which you acquire through killing a target while channeling Drain Soul.

Also note: a LOT of this information is freely available. A thorough reading of the class pages on worldofwarcraft.com, or reading the FAQ on this page, would help get you a lot of the basic information.
#10 Oct 28 2004 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
Right right.

Can mages summon more than one pet at a time, so it could flood a mob with 5 pets. If so, id assume that the pets would have a timer like the mage does in WC3.
#11 Oct 28 2004 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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"Can mages summon more than one pet at a time, so it could flood a mob with 5 pets."

Woah, mages can summon pets? You must know something I don't know!
If you mean warlocks, read my above post.
And please, this is basic information. Do a little research. I like answering questions, but you're asking bare-bones basics, and that's tedious. This is the sort of stuff that you should know before you post here.
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