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#1 Sep 14 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I am wondeing, i was in the stress for all of the days except the first. I was a lvl 20 Hunter, and loved every minute fo it, now that its ended and all that work has gone, i am wondering, does NE ONE,NE ONE at all have information on when this may begin?
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#2 Sep 14 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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First you have to assume that the release date that all the stores out there for November is correct. If that was true than the Open Beta should start near the end of September or early October.

Thats saying the stores have the release dates correct.

However, this is Blizzard we are talking about. The game could come out November 2005 for all we know. So to TRUTHFULLY answer the question:

No one knows.
#3 Sep 14 2004 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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When Blizzard announces it.

Anything else is just guessing.
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#4 Sep 14 2004 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Novemeber release......rofl

Um, not so much.
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#5 Sep 14 2004 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
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WoW actually really messed up with the release date.

If anything, they should have come out 2-3 weeks BEFORE EQ2, not same day (if comes out as scheduled now, 11/15/04) or after.

MMO's come with a free month. They use that free month to hook the buyer into playing that MMO.

EQ2 comes out first. The undecided MMO player (one not currently playing a game, not decided on EQ2 or WoW, or the one looking for a new game) tries out EQ2. They have 30 days of free play. What may happen during those 30 days, they get hooked.

Then WoW comes out. They lose a chunk of customers, those that tried EQ2 and got hooked.


Now if WoW had come out first, they stood a good chance of getting a large percentage of the undecideds. Coming out 2-3 weeks before EQ2, the undecideds would have been in the middle of their free month, less likely to buy a new game during that trial period.

So even if WoW lost some of the undecideds to EQ2 after the trial month, WoW's opening day sales numbers would have been greater then EQ2.


Now coming out on the same day is the worst. That's because it forces the undecideds to choose 1 or the other (EQ2 or WoW). There won't be that many people that will buy both in the same month. They'll choose one or the other. Instead of having a shot at all the undecided, WoW will only get some of them.

As it stands right now, I don't see any reason why it can't come out on the 15th. That's still 2 months away, and there will be a closed beta and another open beta during those 2 months.

And as alot of beta testers have said, it's close to a finished product now.

I'm thinking the 15th is a good date.
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#6 Sep 14 2004 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't talked to any other tester who thought WoW was close to being complete. Half the talents are still missing. The majority of the talents in the game now need some serious lovin. Warlock and paladin are getting needed overhaul. All spells and skills post level thirty five have to be put in. Bliz posted tradeskills are getting some more lovin. There's more, but I'm tired of typing it.

Bliz has lots left to do and a November release won't happen unless they pull off a miracle. Going by Bliz's past history, I wouldn't expect it. They put out the most polished games, because they don't rush to release.

On a side note, another in game gold wager offered up to anyone that thinks EQ2 box sells will be greater than WoW's in the first month. Release before or after EQ2 doesn't matter. People want WoW like a crackhead needs a fix.



Edited, Tue Sep 14 21:01:14 2004 by StumpyWSF
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#7 Sep 15 2004 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, Im with Stumpy here. I don't think Blizzard is even worried about the release of EQ2 as most of its fanbase could really care less about the game as well.

The game will come out when it comes out. Stores say November but we all know better.

Remember when Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness came out? It had an add for Starcraft on the back of it. Starcraft didnt come out until several years later. I remember waiting for that game like a kid needing a new kidney.
#8 Sep 15 2004 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I remember the long Starcraft wait. Preordered from EB and picked it up in store on release day. What a great game. I still reload it every three months or so when I build a new machine.
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#9 Sep 15 2004 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Seoman, are you implying that EQ2 is gonna be out this year? If that's the case, that's par for the course with Sony. The game is far from being ready as it stands right now. There's far too much content and balance testing that needs to go on right now. I realize content and balance testing is not something Sony is known for doing extensively, but if the game is out before the end of the year, I can almost assure you I won't buy it.
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#10 Sep 16 2004 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Seoman, are you implying that EQ2 is gonna be out this year? If that's the case, that's par for the course with Sony. The game is far from being ready as it stands right now. There's far too much content and balance testing that needs to go on right now. I realize content and balance testing is not something Sony is known for doing extensively, but if the game is out before the end of the year, I can almost assure you I won't buy it.



Found in the offical EQ2 websit FAQ: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/faq.vm

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When will EverQuest II be released?
EverQuest II will launch in 2004.


Hmmmm, look at it this way, if you do purchase the game, you'll be able to play the game while searching for all the bugs! Paying for beta is fun!

On a side note, I just wanted to say that after visiting the EQ2 forums to look for impressions of the game, I found that the beta forums are not for the public's eyes. Looks like someone is afraid of criticism going public!

Edited, Thu Sep 16 06:05:35 2004 by Redmoonxl
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#11 Sep 16 2004 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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What about SWG Azuarc, that game needed at least 6 months more of work, and sony still released it. imo SWG was the buggiest game I ever played. I wouldn't rule out sony trying to release EQ2 befor WoW.
#12 Sep 16 2004 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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They also locked the forums of SWG to nonsubscribers for a while too so the nonsubscribers couldnt see all the bad threads about it :P
#13 Sep 16 2004 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't remember anything locked for unsubscibers......... For SOE games you can read all the posts you want but you can't post unless your a subscriber.
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#14 Sep 16 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I played the beta for SWG and the Beta Forums were locked.
#15 Sep 18 2004 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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ok thx. I do have faith in blizzard, but from what ive read on the forums of late, it seems that they might not make the date that sum have posted, though i HOPE they do. I can wait for th eopen, thats a given, but i hope the actual realease date doesnt get pushed back ALOT. Also on the note fo EQ2, my cousin has played all the EQ's and since he has, he was invited to play in the EQ2 beta, problem was hes not 18, so he cant do it.
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#16 Sep 18 2004 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Noone remembers when SOe locked down the forums to nonsubscribers? It was like that for at least a few months. Now City of heroes has locked posting permissions on theres for subscribers only. I dont like this new trend in MMO message boards.
#17 Sep 18 2004 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well would you like that the main boards would be spammed with crap like is such and such game any good?
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#18 Sep 18 2004 at 9:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Well thats uusually what a general forum is for. I can understand them locking down other headings such as guild recruitment, tech support etc but locking down general is kinda dumb. Also SOE made it where you couldnt even read the forums if you werent a subscriber to any of their games. It didnt last long due to the community uproar.
#19 Sep 21 2004 at 5:51 AM Rating: Default
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Man I just hope this comes soon, I quit the god awful FFXI and I'm really looking forward to trying out WoW.
#20 Sep 21 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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My Prediction:

Open Beta will last one week. Any longer and it could actually hurt sales.

People will use that week to evaluate if they want to buy it or not. So Blizzard will want the game to be as polished as possible. So Open Beta will probably start about 2 weeks before the game hits the store shelves.

So the soonest I would expect to see Open Beta would be the last week of October or first week of November. If the game is delayed it will take even longer.
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#21 Sep 21 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmm, look at it this way, if you do purchase the game, you'll be able to play the game while searching for all the bugs! Paying for beta is fun!


Sony's usual strategy. If they actually put out a 3/4 finished EQ2 I will be beyond amazed.

You can also except one class to be unbelievably overpowered at launch (CH for galaxies), a huge community uproar, and then a huge nerf for the class with a promise of a combat balance that still hasn't come.

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They also locked the forums of SWG to nonsubscribers for a while too so the nonsubscribers couldnt see all the bad threads about it :P


They were locked for about 6 months. The recent unlock is just that, recent.

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#22 Sep 21 2004 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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I was in the WoW Stress Test, and I'm currently in the EQ2 beta. With that, I think WoW is a LOT closer to release than EQ2.

Of the two games, I like WoW MUCH better. EQ2's graphics are FAR superior compared to WoW, but EQ2 lacks the soul and spirit that WoW has. Of them WoW is just a lot more fun, fogiving and easy to play and learn. Of the interfaces I like WoW better too. EQ2 takes a "Windows" menu style approach and even has BLACK BARS along the top and bottom of the screen kind of like playing a Widescreen movie on a fullscreen TV(taking up about 25% of your screen)!! WoW fills your full screen with the interface taking up minor areas. EQ2 keeps zones while WoW has no zones no matter where you go. No more "Loading, please wait...." I can't tell you how much nicer it is to just go anywhere you want without loading screens. WoW also gets you in the game MUCH faster, taking maybe 20-25 seconds compared to EQ's minute and a half plus(Not actually timed, just how it feels, WoW is FAST though).

Lastly I don't really want to give SOE any more money. I played EQ for most of the 5 years and it was a grind most of the time. If I sound jaded, it's because I am, but if EQ2 were something to make me take back those feelings I gladly would, but sadly can't. It's still a lot further from finished though and unless I can get back in WoW I'll be playing EQ2 on and off. Blizzard on the other-hand has a rep for making great games and this one is right there with the best. I do concider WoW better than any MMORPG I've played(having played Ultima Online, Anarcy Online, DAoC, EQ, EQ2-beta, Matrix Online-beta, WoW- stress test beta).

Stress test I played the Hunter class and enjoyed it greatly. I reached level 17. I'm sure I could have hit 20, but because I knew my time was limited I wanted to explore and see if there were good places off the beaten trail to level, and I wanted to see the other lands. I wanted to best take advantage of my play-time so that when the game goes live I have at least some edge on the masses of players that will all be in the same areas.

Sadly the areas are designed in such a way that everyone will pretty much be in all the same areas at the same levels. What is a good idea though is that when you're running low on quests or they're just getting too hard, you can go to other race's areas(of your own team) and do quests there. Quests are by far the better ways to gain exp. Some people grind but that's boring. Quests tend to give reasonable items, experience and cash at any given point.

All I got for now, I'll be haunting the boards from time to time, peace.
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#23 Sep 21 2004 at 6:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Good to hear how EQ 2 is, Kerik. I was never excited yet was curious. Careful, though. SOE might have ninjas hiding everywhere ready to execute a kill for even mentioning EQ2 outside of the beta forums.
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#24 Sep 21 2004 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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After playing WoW I couldn't care less if they kicked me out. I'm suffering WoW withdrawl. :P I've been studying everything WoW I can. EQ2 is really hard to play, not meaning in difficulty, but more as in having driven a $50,000 BMW(WoW) and then getting stuck with a Ford Focus(EQ2).
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#25 Sep 21 2004 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I would personally figure that the open beta will come out around th eend of september (doubt it) and the beggining of October(hoping, right now i just hope i can get in and have a BLAST playing
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#26 Sep 21 2004 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
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Hunter, I'm with you, just holding my breath till I can get in again. It was a blast and I just want more. My main purpose this time is to play the Paladin class. I plan on 2-boxing when the game comes out and think a Hunter/Paladin duo would be a strong combination. Anything I can learn before the game actually goes live is just a massive advantage versus people who haven't played at all yet.

Oh yeah, and I want to help Blizzard test it too, yeah, that's the ticket!
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#27 Sep 22 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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After playing WoW I couldn't care less if they kicked me out. I'm suffering WoW withdrawl.


100% agreed. While the servers were out this weekend, I got to try the EQ2 beta a little more. (Note that despite being in the WoW beta for 6 months and the EQ2 for less than 1, I'm still prefering to play WoW.) My opinion of it hasn't really changed much. Same constrictive UI, environment, overall game structure and the same bland classes and abilities, washed-out graphics, and monotony of killing creatures, and...

Well, there are a few nice things I could say about it. But there aren't many. Even going simply from EQ1 to EQ2, I don't feel it's a huge improvement. They added, um...a quest system, "better" graphics, a clean transportation system, and a buff system that prevents PLing. In exchange, the combat is clunkier, the items and inventory structure is more tedious, there are tiers of every spell (of which there are a whole slew that can only be obtained from PC crafting,) and just in general I feel like I'm carrying a bigger boulder on my back as I play.

The only hope for EQ2 really is that it nails the endgame and WoW doesn't. Otherwise, it's only going to be for Sony diehards and people who like to "adventure" and roam more than you actually *do* things. If your Bartle test results were that you were an achiever or killer, don't even think about EQ2. Explorers might like EQ2, and it may have a *slight* edge with socializers. Click here if you don't know what the Bartle test is.
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#28 Sep 22 2004 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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open beta....if they build it we will come
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#29 Sep 22 2004 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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World of Warcraft is THE most user-friendly game I've ever played. I was amazed at how the game went out of its way to teach me certain skills and practices. This was my first MMORPG, and I hit level 30 in 10 days. Wow. (WoW, rather.)

Blizzard has done a heck of a job so far, but quite a few things are incomplete.

1) Not all zones are implemented. Much of the high-level content is not yet implemented. In the same vein, quite a few are going to be updated. The Horde areas are lacking a bunch of quests.
2) The Warlock and Paladin classes are getting major overhauls. Additionally, both those classes (and the Hunter) lack talents.
3) PvP. If you read the article on the WoW beta site, they talk about some major PvP developments and ideas that they're developing. There hasn't even been a glimmer of such things in-game.

I would say the game is about 85% complete. They just added a whole new round of closed Beta testers. If open beta comes out before the middle of October, I will be stupefied.
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#30 Sep 22 2004 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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ya i'd say 85 to 90 % done.
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#31 Sep 22 2004 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey 85% is about doubled what a SOE product would be at release :P
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Hey 85% is about doubled what a SOE product would be at release :P


Stop being kind to SOE, arimer!
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#33 Sep 23 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Everyday, even though i know i wont get into the new phase of beta, i check my email, just incase they felt like adding me. When this game hits release (or even the open bete depending on how long it will be) i will have no life, i will test EVERYTHING i can, but still being my good ol hunter.
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#34 Sep 23 2004 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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What i dislike s when people Bash SOE when they haven't played there games. I'm not saying anyone here does but i joined alot of groups in Stress Test and they talked a bunch of crap about SWG and when i asked them what they where they tell me i don't remember, and it just shows they're complete asshats. If your going to speak negative about something at least bring a valuable argument i mean cmon.
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#35 Sep 23 2004 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm SWG, horrible class balance, horrible way to get jedi, no missions worth doing, Battlefields didnt work, The rebal theme park never worked for me, plus having wounds and battle fatigue was kind of redundant :) Thats why i hated it when i played, I do have to say some of this has been fixed but its still not a very good game. The combat revamp would have helped alot but noo they had to put it off to fix jedi and the expansion. Darn SOE :P
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ya and also they did'nt really make the classes as they are sposed to be. for instance TKA in starwars were sposed to be people trained to kill jedi and in the game there really week. everyone was going sith or jedi where there should have been 3 main combat classes. tka,sith,jedi. like in star wars
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#37 Sep 24 2004 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey Tka's had their moment in the sun, when everyone and there dog was one. Then they nerfed them, Also bh's were and i think are still the main pvp thing all you had to do was spam eyeshot and you couldnt lose.
#38 Sep 24 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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swg just had alot of problems
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#39 Sep 24 2004 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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WOW arimer you must be seriously mistaken maybe you should go to the Bounty Hunter boards and see how good they are I for one can tell you they sucked. Yea i would love to see how good eyeshot would be if you didn't have TKM. TKM is the best class in the game besides Jedi. We could barely kill Jedis with a Pre Nerfed Scatter Pistol which cost around 2-5mil.
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#40 Sep 24 2004 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I havent played SWG, but my cuz has, and he says that the skill baseness of the game SUX, and he would rather have had lvls, but SOE didnt listen to the gamers, so it came out and stayed like it was, horrible.
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#41 Sep 24 2004 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Ewwww, Star Wars Galaxies...*shudders*

I tried out the free 14 day trail for the game and I was so glad I did. It helped me realize that the game was more buggy then a New York City ghetto. It doesn't help that the gameplay just sucks so badly either...



Edited, Fri Sep 24 22:40:51 2004 by Redmoonxl
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#42 Sep 24 2004 at 7:51 PM Rating: Decent
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i dont think swg sux...cuz hay i was addicted. but it had a hella lot of problems
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#43 Sep 24 2004 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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WTF does this mean?
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#44 Sep 24 2004 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Ghetto is a slang meaning government housing or a rundown neighborhood. The orginal word was used by jewish people to describe their neighborhoods. Funny how we use words and change them to our liking. Kinda like how sh*t used in a certain way will make it into something good. Example: Yo, that car is the sh*t!

Since NYC is somewhat famous for its vermin problem (in specific spots like some ghettos, not all), I equated the amount of bugs in a ghetto to the bugs found in Star Wars Galaxies.

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On a side note, I cannot believe I have to fully explain the word ghetto...
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#45 Sep 24 2004 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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The bounty hunters were overpowered at one point due to eyeshot but it got nerfed, CH was the best class when swg first came out . The thing i never liked about bounty hunters is they think they should be able to instanly kill everyone just because they were a bounty hunter. So from now on remember anytime i say anything about SWG its from before october of last year or from about 10 days in febuary of this year :P
#46 Sep 25 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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On a side note, I cannot believe I have to fully explain the word ghetto...


On a side note you should add your a complete asshat. I was confused on how someone would say that a game is more buggy than a Ghetto.
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I equated the amount of bugs in a ghetto to the bugs found in Star Wars Galaxies.

But then I understood.

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#47 Sep 29 2004 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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AHHHHHHHH, how do they expect us to live under these conditions, not know when it will come, not knowing. . .ANYTHING, i think we should all sit here quietly and give blizzard the silent treatment, maybe THEN they will get it done faster, yeah that'l teach em :)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:)(:
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#48 Sep 29 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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It's a good game. I can wait, though. Wait, no i can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gimme WoW you blizzard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, not everything about SOE games suck. The manuals make good toilet paper and the games themselves, well, they make decent garbage. Not the best garbage I've ever had, just decent.


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#49 Sep 29 2004 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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LOL i can wait as long as it takes blizzard, I dont want anothr SWG on my hands. Though i got 3 really neat looking coasters out of it.
#50 Sep 30 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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lol ya i got 3 really expencive frisbi's out of it.
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#51 Sep 30 2004 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Azurac, that was a cool test - the Bartle test! O.O!

I fell into AKS. (3% People are AKS)

Achiever - 80% ( Yes, I admit, I like to be a high level! )
Killer - 53% ( Only when someone ticks me off.. ;) )
Socializer - 33% ( Roleplaying can be fun! )
Explorer - 33% ( This comes into play when I don't know what else to do. :P )

I wonder what everyone else gets?

I could make an educated guess that Gihja gets a "Killer - 100%" due to his overwhelming urge to go onto the PvP servers and kill everyone. :P

I'd say Redmoon is an Socializer - with his little "*Sits by a fireplace with pipe in mouth*" scenarios, then Timmy comes in, I can see him doing that in-game.

That's all I can really think of... anyways, I wonder what everyone else gets, so take the Bartle Test!
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