I guess there was an error with my first post.
Basically heres the deal. I spend a lot of time crafting (lvl 10 char with lvl 16 craft) and ive noticed that everything i can make is worse off than what i already have. For instance i havent made a better sword than one ive gotten from a quest in refuge isle. So here's what i want to know, when can i start crafting weapons/armor that actually matter?
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I am not a tradeskiller, but I can tell you that once you can start doing imbued and rare alloy weapons they tend to be good. It just takes patients to get there, which I dont have much off. GL to you though.
The lower levels of weapon making will get you only lower level stuff. The real good gear will only be made at higher levels and with rare components.
So it would be wise to research the rares needed for your higher level recipies, and keep an eye out for them at the broker.
Now just because you make a nice sword does not mean that someone will automatically buy it. You will have to try a few items to see what sells, and the market may change as your customers advance in levels.
You can establish a good reputaion by making swords at fair prices, so as you and your customers advance in levels, they will come back to you for upgrades.
You can always make weapons for your guildmates, just let them reimburse you for the cost of making. When my guild tailor makes items, I usually tip large to help keep her afloat. We also keep about 1pp floating in the bank for just such needs.
So it would be wise to research the rares needed for your higher level recipies, and keep an eye out for them at the broker.
Now just because you make a nice sword does not mean that someone will automatically buy it. You will have to try a few items to see what sells, and the market may change as your customers advance in levels.
You can establish a good reputaion by making swords at fair prices, so as you and your customers advance in levels, they will come back to you for upgrades.
You can always make weapons for your guildmates, just let them reimburse you for the cost of making. When my guild tailor makes items, I usually tip large to help keep her afloat. We also keep about 1pp floating in the bank for just such needs.
Let me say right of the bat that I don't know anything about your ability as a crafter and I am not blaming you but at lvl 16 you should be able to turn out viable combines that are far better than anything the IoR had to offer.
For what it's worth, I have 3 crafters all around lvl 30, (provisioner, tailor & woodworker), and a couple more in their teens so like you, I craft a lot. I sell a ton of goods from each of them... so someone must think the merchandise has value...
Now let me ask you a few questions...
What is the average quality level of the items you are crafting. Do you reach pristine with any degree of consistancy or regularity? (The quality level of the item will directly affect the stats you receive from it.)
At lvl 10, you got new sets of buffs (to maintain durability) for each of your three possible subclasses. Are you using these new buffs when you craft?
And speaking of buffs, do you buff every pulse or do you only buff to counter events? (Buffing each pulse can not only speed up the combine but more important, will allow you to control the process so that you can maintain the quality level you desire.)
Have you examined all of the recipes available to you? (Some may have better stats or are better suited to your character than others.)
To actually answer your question, although the T1 stuff you are making now is viable and even useful, the items that you will make from tier 2 and on, (you will start getting these recipes at lvl 19), is where you will really begin to shine.
I am currently entering tier 4 with my tailor and I still can't make tier 2 leather armor fast enough to keep up with demand. (I would stop making it, since at this point it is all gray to me and so has become a PITA, but the income derived from it is just too good to pass up!)
Edited, Wed Oct 12 11:48:54 2005 by OldBlueDragon
For what it's worth, I have 3 crafters all around lvl 30, (provisioner, tailor & woodworker), and a couple more in their teens so like you, I craft a lot. I sell a ton of goods from each of them... so someone must think the merchandise has value...
Now let me ask you a few questions...
What is the average quality level of the items you are crafting. Do you reach pristine with any degree of consistancy or regularity? (The quality level of the item will directly affect the stats you receive from it.)
At lvl 10, you got new sets of buffs (to maintain durability) for each of your three possible subclasses. Are you using these new buffs when you craft?
And speaking of buffs, do you buff every pulse or do you only buff to counter events? (Buffing each pulse can not only speed up the combine but more important, will allow you to control the process so that you can maintain the quality level you desire.)
Have you examined all of the recipes available to you? (Some may have better stats or are better suited to your character than others.)
To actually answer your question, although the T1 stuff you are making now is viable and even useful, the items that you will make from tier 2 and on, (you will start getting these recipes at lvl 19), is where you will really begin to shine.
I am currently entering tier 4 with my tailor and I still can't make tier 2 leather armor fast enough to keep up with demand. (I would stop making it, since at this point it is all gray to me and so has become a PITA, but the income derived from it is just too good to pass up!)
Edited, Wed Oct 12 11:48:54 2005 by OldBlueDragon
I think the best sword you can get on the island is the quested Rockbelly's Cutlass:
http://eq2.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=1118
A typical tier 2 common crafted weapon is better:
http://eq2.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=4553
If you can find a rare, then you can craft something much better. Rares have gotten MUCH more common in lower tiers. A rare crafted item is always equivalent to a common item from the next higher tier, so it's like being able to use T3 weapons in T2:
http://eq2.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=3047
You can imbue any crafted weapon to get an extra damage proc.
As a weaponsmith, you'll find you don't really sell a whole lot of weapons until you get to T3. This is because everyone gets a citizenship weapon (T1) when they complete that quest and a class specific weapon when they complete their final class quest (T2/3). About your only market is off handers for dual wielders and other weapon types for people who want multiple wepons for different situations or to keep all their skills up. That's what being an outfitter is for. You can sell a lot of backpacks and armor to lower levels - that stuff is better than anything off the merchants or drops and is equal to the quested items available, plus it lasts longer.
Crafted common weapons are better than anything that drops, and crafted rare weapons are better than anything short of the fabled stuff that drops off raid bosses.
http://eq2.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=1118
A typical tier 2 common crafted weapon is better:
http://eq2.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=4553
If you can find a rare, then you can craft something much better. Rares have gotten MUCH more common in lower tiers. A rare crafted item is always equivalent to a common item from the next higher tier, so it's like being able to use T3 weapons in T2:
http://eq2.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=3047
You can imbue any crafted weapon to get an extra damage proc.
As a weaponsmith, you'll find you don't really sell a whole lot of weapons until you get to T3. This is because everyone gets a citizenship weapon (T1) when they complete that quest and a class specific weapon when they complete their final class quest (T2/3). About your only market is off handers for dual wielders and other weapon types for people who want multiple wepons for different situations or to keep all their skills up. That's what being an outfitter is for. You can sell a lot of backpacks and armor to lower levels - that stuff is better than anything off the merchants or drops and is equal to the quested items available, plus it lasts longer.
Crafted common weapons are better than anything that drops, and crafted rare weapons are better than anything short of the fabled stuff that drops off raid bosses.
I must agree with OldBlue here. You should definitely have some things in your recipe book that will blow away IoR loot. On that note, what artisan class are you? If you are trying to make Tier 1 (Levels 1-9) weapons, then they will not be better than IoR stuffs. If you are making Tier 2 (Levels 10-19) weapons and get a pristine, it should be leaps and bounds better than IoR weps. However, they probably won't be better than the weapon you receive from your class quest.
The key to making money at crafting lies in two words that have already been stated, but bear repetition: rares and imbuing. Once you have made a rare and imbued it, you will start seeing the rewards for your passion.
Edited, Wed Oct 12 11:33:43 2005 by Mearyk
The key to making money at crafting lies in two words that have already been stated, but bear repetition: rares and imbuing. Once you have made a rare and imbued it, you will start seeing the rewards for your passion.
Edited, Wed Oct 12 11:33:43 2005 by Mearyk
ok so what you are saying is i need to get rare items. I have gotten a bronze cluster from a rock (dunno if its rare, but it said rare when i got it) Only problem is I dont have any recipes to use it with. I am an outfitter, and am continuing my craft because i know it gets better, just wasnt sure when.
But now I have a new question... These rares you are talking about; do i quest for them, buy from an NPC, or get off a drop from an enemy?
As always, responses are much appreciated.
But now I have a new question... These rares you are talking about; do i quest for them, buy from an NPC, or get off a drop from an enemy?
As always, responses are much appreciated.
Rares come from harvesting in the wilds, they dont drop often, but as you saw the game will tell you when you get a rare. You can find them on auction, but they tend to cost quite a bit there.
For recipes, have you upgraded you books? I am not sure on all the ways to do it, but I do know there are droped recipe books that may have what you need. These can be found on auction some times.
For recipes, have you upgraded you books? I am not sure on all the ways to do it, but I do know there are droped recipe books that may have what you need. These can be found on auction some times.
Bronze Cluster is used to make a Bronze Bar, which in turn is used to make:
Bronze Edge (Weaponry, Level 6)
Bronze Hammer Head (Weaponry, Level 5)
Bronze Plate (Weaponry, Level 5)
Bronze Strut (Runecraft, Level 4)
You'll find the recipie for Bronze Bar in Artisan Refining Volume 4.
Bronze Edge (Weaponry, Level 6)
Bronze Hammer Head (Weaponry, Level 5)
Bronze Plate (Weaponry, Level 5)
Bronze Strut (Runecraft, Level 4)
You'll find the recipie for Bronze Bar in Artisan Refining Volume 4.
Bronze is indeed a rare. Dirges - rares drop like crazy now in tier 1. You can go out harvesting for an hour and get half a dozen of them.
Tutan should have noted that the books are advanced and are only available as drops from monsters in Tier 1 zones (up to level 10). The best place to get them is the broker. Unless you're an alt or have other money available, you'll probably go broke trying to buy all the ones you need to make the weapon. You're better off finding a friendly artisan who already has the books to make it for you. If you supply the rare he or she should be willing to help you for some silver.
Seriously, though, I would get a Tier 2 rare weapon. You're not in tier 1 any more. YOu can use iron wepons now and a bronze weapon will not be any better than iron, plus you can't imbue it. Sell the bronze and any other rares you found - lapis lazuil is highly sought after to make spell upgrades, the rest of the tier 1 rares aren't so much. Use the funds to buy a blackened iron cluster and a glowing item or extract and make or get a weapon from those. You'll get much more use out of it. You could also probably harvest those things within a couple hours in Antonica, and you want to harvest for crafting anyway.
Tutan should have noted that the books are advanced and are only available as drops from monsters in Tier 1 zones (up to level 10). The best place to get them is the broker. Unless you're an alt or have other money available, you'll probably go broke trying to buy all the ones you need to make the weapon. You're better off finding a friendly artisan who already has the books to make it for you. If you supply the rare he or she should be willing to help you for some silver.
Seriously, though, I would get a Tier 2 rare weapon. You're not in tier 1 any more. YOu can use iron wepons now and a bronze weapon will not be any better than iron, plus you can't imbue it. Sell the bronze and any other rares you found - lapis lazuil is highly sought after to make spell upgrades, the rest of the tier 1 rares aren't so much. Use the funds to buy a blackened iron cluster and a glowing item or extract and make or get a weapon from those. You'll get much more use out of it. You could also probably harvest those things within a couple hours in Antonica, and you want to harvest for crafting anyway.
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just my own little note on what ive experienced with my crafting.
tier 1 rares, such as your bronze, will be found foraging the low level areas typical exp level 10 or below. recipies that you find for them will include the name of the rare item ( such as bronze can be used to make a bronze sconce.)
tier 2 rares such as silver will be found foraging the next set of exp zones like antonica and commonlands. again recipies will include the name of the rare item.
and so on for each tier. the recipies for the tier 1 rares should be included in your basic book set rewarded from your tradeskill quest and from the vendor in your tradeskill guild house. tier two stuff ive had to start getting the books from mob drops and from the broker and have had to visit a few of the other tradeskill guilds (the few that will actually let you in the door) to get.
ive actually been spending alot of time using eq2traders.
website being www.eq2.eqtraders.com
ive found a pretty good set of recipies (not all are complete but a fuller selection than most other sites) and also there is a section for us craftsman types :) where we can see pics of some of the furniture and such to know what it looks like before we make it. the pic section also isnt complete but give some pretty good selection.
but the recipies when you look them up by item or by name will list what components you need, tier difficulty, and what recipie book they are located in. then armed with all the info you need you should be all set. :)
tier 1 rares, such as your bronze, will be found foraging the low level areas typical exp level 10 or below. recipies that you find for them will include the name of the rare item ( such as bronze can be used to make a bronze sconce.)
tier 2 rares such as silver will be found foraging the next set of exp zones like antonica and commonlands. again recipies will include the name of the rare item.
and so on for each tier. the recipies for the tier 1 rares should be included in your basic book set rewarded from your tradeskill quest and from the vendor in your tradeskill guild house. tier two stuff ive had to start getting the books from mob drops and from the broker and have had to visit a few of the other tradeskill guilds (the few that will actually let you in the door) to get.
ive actually been spending alot of time using eq2traders.
website being www.eq2.eqtraders.com
ive found a pretty good set of recipies (not all are complete but a fuller selection than most other sites) and also there is a section for us craftsman types :) where we can see pics of some of the furniture and such to know what it looks like before we make it. the pic section also isnt complete but give some pretty good selection.
but the recipies when you look them up by item or by name will list what components you need, tier difficulty, and what recipie book they are located in. then armed with all the info you need you should be all set. :)
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