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#52 Jun 15 2015 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sidenote: Been thinking, been calming down, and we're on the cusp of heavensward. I figured I'd just clear my ignore list. Multiple invidiuals who were there are banned anyways.

Hio. A lot of what you sayt just flatly sounds completely dispassionate. I don't know if it's simply the style of your writing or what but it genuinely feels like you take absolutely no enjoyment from the game whenever you post here. And I know that's not true, cause you still play. What I want to see, and what would make a lot of these conversations back and forth and go over much better, in my view (not just with myself but with the group here in general) is the other side of the coin.

The problem there in is not if you have anything to do or not, it's whether or not you are sharing in your experiences, your goals, and accomplishments, for other people. You just gave me an excuse not to do it, but... when ever have you? You see you shot it down before you even stated that you'd consider it. My goals in game are not the same are yours, so assuming that there's no conversation to be had there, no suggestions to be made or talk back and forth, even sharing the little accomplishments, feeds that bad impression. All I want to do at this point is make a suggestion to start moving forward on a better foot, and what better time than now?

We're a week away from Heavensward, head-start is this Friday. We'll likely have a clean thread starting right then and there. You're going to have goals, you're going to have accomplishments, and you're going to have impressions. I'm making that suggestion now, because there's going to be plenty such day to day in the life of Heavensward coming up - and I honestly would like to hear more than what you find disappointing/wrong with it. Same for Duo.

Consider it a friendly challenge. I'll even swap places with you. You find things day to day you enjoy on things - and I'll share my gripes on it more frequently.

Edited, Jun 15th 2015 10:52am by Hyrist
#53 Jun 15 2015 at 9:12 AM Rating: Default
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Well clearly youre doing something Im not... a least you actually CAN mash red ror green arrows... I cant and doubt I ever will be able to lol


Duo, you have eight threads on the front page right now... and seven of those are either outright complaint threads or passive-aggressive complaint threads. You've done this over and over and over again, to the point it has become a running joke on this forum.

At this point, it doesn't even really matter what your intentions are. What matters is that you keep making these whiny or backhanded complaint threads that most people are sick of seeing. They don't enhance the community, don't add (or create) any productive discussion and they don't help other players. And while I definitely get a laugh sometimes over the angst caused by your threads (who doesn't), the fact of the matter is, like it or not, your actions define you as a troll.

How are you different than Filth McNasty? Well, for starters, count the number of threads he's made on the front page. He clearly has more negative views of the game and of Square Enix than many of us here... and while he may cause debate with his opinions in certain threads, you don't see him starting all these random complaint/rant threads. And when he does have something to say, he totally owns it... Filth says very little in a passive-aggressive manner. He's a great example of someone who is often negative without being a troll.

Also, I don't believe Filth ever resorts to tactics such as name-calling. He gets passionate sometimes, just like others do, but he does it in a way that's respectful even while being antagonizing.



7 of 8 are complaint threads? Please do point out how each one is a complaint thread then because I only see something wrong with 3-4 not 7, so you must see something I clearly do not and I would love to be enlightened.

As far as name calling goes, I dont stoop to that until someone else does it towards me first, unless of course you can against point out where I did it to someone first without provocation. I cant deny facts when theyre looking right at me right?
#54 Jun 15 2015 at 9:15 AM Rating: Default
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How about you stop being combative with the admins and start working towards garnering a positive relationship with the community? I wasn't kidding when I said you've been playing the same fiddle since 2013. Its as easy as tracking your post history from the beginning and moving forward.

I'm more than willing to drop insults headed your way on my end - but I want to see progress in your writing style and tone in return. Deal?
#55 Jun 15 2015 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
Duo, I don't need to review each of your threads here. They are public and plain as day.

I already let one of your name-calling posts slide without issuing a warning, just as I often give others lenience when I sense their emotions may be getting the best of them. But I've now seen two similar posts in the past few days. So, you have been warned. Clean it up, please.
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#56 Jun 15 2015 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Hyrist wrote:
Sidenote: Been thinking, been calming down, and we're on the cusp of heavensward. I figured I'd just clear my ignore list. Multiple invidiuals who were there are banned anyways.

Hio. A lot of what you sayt just flatly sounds completely dispassionate. I don't know if it's simply the style of your writing or what but it genuinely feels like you take absolutely no enjoyment from the game whenever you post here. And I know that's not true, cause you still play. What I want to see, and what would make a lot of these conversations back and forth and go over much better, in my view (not just with myself but with the group here in general) is the other side of the coin


It's not that I'm dispassionate (or I wouldn't even so much as do video uploads on it when I run alts through content), I'm just extremely straight forward in writing. 'Passion' doesn't really come through when in the back of my mind, even if I enjoy something, I always feel that something more could be done that would have made it better. It could be the cynic in me or it could be the fact I've personally played with developing on the PS3, PS4 and WiiU, so I know the pros and cons and it's just..always something in the back of my mind that makes me wonder especially thinking back on XI and while they're two different games, they got -really- creative in getting around 'ps2 limitations' to the fact they've introduce content you wouldn't expect to see when "can't increase inventory..ps2 limitations..but have an ENTIRE new battle system and concepts, oh and have monster raising too." when XIV comes, it kinda of has that feeling they choose not to even try, so that too kind of kills my excitement because I know they could do better, which is why I'm cautiously optimistic about HW.

So if it doesn't seem like I'm excited or proud, it's just..straight forward that I have xyz done, since I've already done it, can't get re-excited about what I've done sometimes 4 months ago :p

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The problem there in is not if you have anything to do or not, it's whether or not you are sharing in your experiences, your goals, and accomplishments, for other people. You just gave me an excuse not to do it, but... when ever have you? You see you shot it down before you even stated that you'd consider it. My goals in game are not the same are yours, so assuming that there's no conversation to be had there, no suggestions to be made or talk back and forth, even sharing the little accomplishments, feeds that bad impression. All I want to do at this point is make a suggestion to start moving forward on a better foot, and what better time than now?


Oh I get what you were saying and basically suggesting, it's more that I've already had things done so in my mind it would seem a bit weird to talk about the accomplishments I've done in the past for 'this weeks accomplishments' so to speak, when realistically all I've done this week was craft stuff lol. I've only posted in one of those topics maybe a few times.

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#57 Jun 15 2015 at 9:48 AM Rating: Default
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How about you stop being combative with the admins and start working towards garnering a positive relationship with the community? I wasn't kidding when I said you've been playing the same fiddle since 2013. Its as easy as tracking your post history from the beginning and moving forward.

I'm more than willing to drop insults headed your way on my end - but I want to see progress in your writing style and tone in return. Deal?


garnering a positive relationship with the community? lol, do you HONESTLY think that would happen no matter WHAT I did, without me making a new username and acting like a completely different person to the point where no one would ever suspect it was me? Because thats the ONLY way I can see that happening. Unless you're telling me you honestly believe it can happen without me resorting to that?


Also being combative towards admins? Im not being combative, Im HONESTY asking for insight, he claims 7 of my 8 threads are complaints, I say theres only 3-4 so he sees something I dont thus I want it pointed out and brought to my attention so that in the future I have a better idea if what NOT to do. See I even ASK for help so I can ATTEMPT to change and its seen as combative or my plea is just flat out ignored.

If being combative were my TRUE intent I could do a MUCH better job, for example (and yes I expect this to be seen as passive aggressive or veiled when the truth of the matte is Im just giving examples and sharing an opinion). I could say things like this is the only forum I know where the admins take an active approach in flaming the "trolls" (remembers a certain poll about how many complains will Duo make when HW comes out, or another post with an admin flat out calling him a troll). Every other board admits dont post at all. They either just delete the posts or thraeds that are offending, or suspend said person for a few days, eventually if the problem keeps happening and those methods arent changing anything the offended gets banned permanently.. thats it you never hear an actual word from the admins/moderators all you see is their actions.

But anyway Ive tried explaining myself in a civilized, adult manner more than once so if people dont get it after this Im no gonna continue trying, as theres no point n having a conversation with a wall, after this Im done trying to show my side of the story, Ill just let time, age and the eventual wisdom that generally comes with it, do the rest.
#58 Jun 15 2015 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
Duo, you created your persona here, and you never attempted to change despite how people reacted to you over time. You don't get to rewrite forum history now and try to paint yourself as a guy who is always misunderstood or picked on.

Again, this is an Internet forum. A degree of trolling and arguing is OK... Especially toward community members who spend months/years baiting everyone else.

If you can't take it, don't dish it.

But however you dish it (if you choose to) has to remain within the lines. And again, you were warned here before you were muted... And STILL you didn't make some very simple adjustments to your tone.

Stop blaming others for digging yourself into a hole. You can climb out of it any time.
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#59 Jun 15 2015 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's not that I'm dispassionate (or I wouldn't even so much as do video uploads on it when I run alts through content), I'm just extremely straight forward in writing. 'Passion' doesn't really come through when in the back of my mind, even if I enjoy something, I always feel that something more could be done that would have made it better. It could be the cynic in me or it could be the fact I've personally played with developing on the PS3, PS4 and WiiU, so I know the pros and cons and it's just..always something in the back of my mind that makes me wonder especially thinking back on XI and while they're two different games, they got -really- creative in getting around 'ps2 limitations' to the fact they've introduce content you wouldn't expect to see when "can't increase inventory..ps2 limitations..but have an ENTIRE new battle system and concepts, oh and have monster raising too." when XIV comes, it kinda of has that feeling they choose not to even try, so that too kind of kills my excitement because I know they could do better, which is why I'm cautiously optimistic about HW.

So if it doesn't seem like I'm excited or proud, it's just..straight forward that I have xyz done, since I've already done it, can't get re-excited about what I've done sometimes 4 months ago :p


Thanks for the clarification on that. I'll do what I can to check my reactions to your posts in the future on that. Suffice to say I have problem in my writing where I try to thoroughly describe something and sound haughty and verbose. And when I try to be concise, I come across as a complete *******. Trying to find that literary sweet spot is always a struggle for me - top that off with my typical spelling and grammar errors, having a thread that doesn't indicate that I've edited it is a rare sight.

If you see video games in the same light as I do my writing and other creative works, then I can understand why you always feel like something could be done better. With that sort of drive, ever thought about going back into the programming/game design field?

Sidenote on talking about the game though: No instances of deviations or things gone wrong that you managed to squeal through a victory anyways? No silly tales of a Six Scholar run? The game for me is full of crazy stories like that I wouldn't mind seeing from others. Even smaller progress things like beastman dalies and vistas (Still haven't figured that out yet x.x)


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Oh I get what you were saying and basically suggesting, it's more that I've already had things done so in my mind it would seem a bit weird to talk about the accomplishments I've done in the past for 'this weeks accomplishments' so to speak, when realistically all I've done this week was craft stuff lol. I've only posted in one of those topics maybe a few times.


The struggles of crafting are real! You should share those! Not to mention hearing more about them might actually get me of my lazy *** to get crafting. I literally have a standing offer from a FC friend: Provide them with a laundry list of materials and they'll give me all the turn in supplies to level my crafting classes from 15-50. I couldn't have an easier path to having a baseline crafter character... I just... don't feel the desire to craft... ever. *laugh*

In the end, we've got too few people in this community here to simply just treat each other at arm's length. The more we know about our day to day, the smoother conversations and things will be. I want to encourage that. I'm more than willing to share my gribes if I can please hear more of the optimist side of things from people. We're here cause we want to be, after all.
#60 Jun 15 2015 at 10:22 AM Rating: Default
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How about you stop being combative with the admins and start working towards garnering a positive relationship with the community? I wasn't kidding when I said you've been playing the same fiddle since 2013. Its as easy as tracking your post history from the beginning and moving forward.

I'm more than willing to drop insults headed your way on my end - but I want to see progress in your writing style and tone in return. Deal?


garnering a positive relationship with the community? lol, do you HONESTLY think that would happen no matter WHAT I did, without me making a new username and acting like a completely different person to the point where no one would ever suspect it was me? Because thats the ONLY way I can see that happening. Unless you're telling me you honestly believe it can happen without me resorting to that?


Being someone who has done it? Yes. I believe it can be done. You'll always live with the criticisms of what you've done in the past. That's part of taking responsibility for your own impressions and actions. There are a few people around Zam, and from the FFXI community that will never let go of some of the things I said in the past and I'll own and regret that.

But ignoring the rant beyond this question, and staying to the point of the matter. Yes, yes I believe you can. Moreover, I'm willing to help if you'll let me. But to do so you've got to start listening to feedback instead of becoming defensive at it.
#61 Jun 15 2015 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the clarification on that. I'll do what I can to check my reactions to your posts in the future on that. Suffice to say I have problem in my writing where I try to thoroughly describe something and sound haughty and verbose. And when I try to be concise, I come across as a complete *******. Trying to find that literary sweet spot is always a struggle for me - top that off with my typical spelling and grammar errors, having a thread that doesn't indicate that I've edited it is a rare sight.

If you see video games in the same light as I do my writing and other creative works, then I can understand why you always feel like something could be done better. With that sort of drive, ever thought about going back into the programming/game design field?


Pretty much the same and I have been working here and there (something going on steam soon) and been tooling around with research for a 1.x private server. It gets to the point I can actually tell what they did for a certain encounter simply because I know the programming behind it (specific engine or not, logic is the same when it comes to scripted encounters) and that I can tell they could have done something a lot smoother but they always say they're rushing to the last second before a patch goes live so it sounds like they don't get that "second look" so to speak.

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Sidenote on talking about the game though: No instances of deviations or things gone wrong that you managed to squeal through a victory anyways? No silly tales of a Six Scholar run? The game for me is full of crazy stories like that I wouldn't mind seeing from others. Even smaller progress things like beastman dalies and vistas (Still haven't figured that out yet x.x)


Not too many in 2.x compared to 1.x where we all mass wiped to Moogle (1.x) and only me (DRG) and WHM were up..WHM was kiting everything and I was tossing out my Company Tonics to raise up the PLD and 2nd WHM and they proceeded to raise everyone else and we pretty much recovered. In 2.x t best we did 6 MRD, 1 SCH 1 BRD T9, been wanting to try something for T13 but even overgeared he still slams so much damage your throat and requires so much damage done it's pretty hard to set up something unorthodox.

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The struggles of crafting are real! You should share those! Not to mention hearing more about them might actually get me of my lazy *** to get crafting. I literally have a standing offer from a FC friend: Provide them with a laundry list of materials and they'll give me all the turn in supplies to level my crafting classes from 15-50. I couldn't have an easier path to having a baseline crafter character... I just... don't feel the desire to craft... ever. *laugh*


Yeah I've basically powerleveled so many people into at least 2 star it's such an easy path compared to when you do it lol. I might share those stories. I've mostly been prepping for what's going to happen with that scrip system so been focusing on Lucis spamming.
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All fun and interesting stuff to hear about, and I'm not just saying that for argument's sake. There's a profound amount of disconnect between people that typically leads to all these bad impressions between people.

I might pull you aside a bit to talk more privately about the 1.x Private server you're helping out on. If I go digging I'm likely to be able to pull out my original installation disk. I would not mind hanging out in that world once in a while, that's for sure.

Sadly I won't have any interesting Coil tales to tell until after Heavensward. I just got too stressed out Raid leading and it burned me out to raiding all together. Debating trying to find a group willing to get me through that content and then join them as a proper DPS for future raids. I just don't want to be in command of it anymore. I'm sure my GF would like to start to dive in once she gets her Machinist up too. I'm wondering whether or not guns will be piercing damage. Too few classes benefit from it and blunt, IMO.
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Yeah I wouldn't mind talking about it.

Quite honestly Coil is the more interesting, story aside simply because it felt like that's where they saved a lot of the "love" for in terms of not only area design (some are unnecessarily large and detailed but pretty to look at) but also the battles. It's like a complete 180 of what normally happens in the game. While of course scripted and not TOO hard, it's like back before they nerfed the level 15 MSQ - it went from easy to actually having to be mindful, throw in massive teamwork requirement (one goes down depending on who/what they were, it could basically be the end) it leads to some very hectic moments.
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[quote]Filth says very little in a passive-aggressive manner. He's a great example of someone who is often negative without being a troll.




I tried so hard to be this. Then I gave up and just decided to be nice about everything.. as soon as SE implemented jump in 2.0 Smiley: lol
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