So how is Rogue/Ninja?Follow

In all reality no I haven't. I know lag is present (there's always some lag present no matter what) but not to the point it's hindering massive amounts of people when..in all reality, it's simply their inability to dodge and learn a script.

No one likes to admit when they **** up, very few honestly do and would admit it and instead, rather blame lag. "Lag!" is the goto excuse since online gaming became a thing. This is why I watch people very closely when they claim lag and a lot of times, it's not lag, they simply have slow reaction time or actually don't know the fight. I even see people claiming lag for letting lightning orbs blow up on Scylla in ST...a set of orbs that has a long wind up time on their "charge"...

Also they removed the Ifrit/Garuda/Titan requirement because it's such old and outdated content that gating newer content behind it no longer made sense since it was essentially 2.1 content gating 2.2-2.4 content. This is why you only need to complete the "optional" primal (Moogle) and the previous story arc's extreme to access the next.

It wasn't removed because of any lag monster or anything. Not saying it doesn't exist, but I can literally run out and run back into a weight and not get hit, yet I see people running INTO weights that were already out (none spawned on em) and I know full well any type of lag would not display the weights in the incorrect position to make you run into them. Same with people who don't run out of telegraphed AoE's. They'll claim lag but they're using Weaponskills like normal - If you were lagging you would no longer be using them as you're hitting it but the server isn't answering, so you THINK you're still attacking but to everyone else you're standing there like a derp eating everything :p That's one of the biggest signs.

Which is why I have no problem calling people out who claim lag when they're doing everything that lag WOULD prevent you from doing which is why I know from experience what degree of lag would be needed to make Titan Ex impossible. You also can do this test:

Ask the "lagger" to sprint and run..if they run perfectly fine, they're not lagging at all neither hardware nor latency wise.
If they're stuttering or run slower than you walk..they're lagging hardware wise.

Hardware lag is also a factor (I play on PS3 mainly so I know which encounters naturally has some hint of problems on the platform), lots, like lag, will never want to admit their specs are up to snuff for the game, while the game isn't THAT intense, it is however still a DX9 game and isn't optimized for every new driver that comes out, hell some driver updates outright breaks ARR at times.

Edited, Nov 10th 2014 12:02pm by Theonehio

That explains your lack of empathy. It's difficult to empathize with others when you haven't gone through the same experiences. I've had plenty of Titan EX runs where I had absolutely no issues dodging plumes, and I've had several runs where I could not avoid plumes consistently and saw myself dying from them even though I was outside the plume radius by a significant distance. It's because of this that I give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this fight.


My problem with that viewpoint is that there is a lot of "old and outdated content" in this game that is even older than Titan EX. And yet I can't think of a single other case where SE removed clearing something from being a blocking point to content. Can you access 2nd coil without clearing all of 1st coil now? You can't access Syrcus Tower without first clearing Labyrinth of the Ancients. As far as I know, you still have to do all of the old Relic upgrade steps even though the intermediate rewards along that path are old and outdated.

If anything, I would consider Primal EX fights and their rewards to be optional, and thus the last thing in this game where SE would have to worry about old content gating new content.

I can empathize quite easily, the problem is far too many use it as an excuse to empathize with them. I used to, but then I started actually observing people and realizing they're simply failing, it's not lag most of the time.



This was more of an artifical gate because the ONLY sense that it made was the "story" behind it explains why Extreme Primals are a thing, something that no longer is needed as the story in 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 essentially explains the same thing. The main story gates plenty of content (need to beat "The Ultimate Weapon") but they can't remove that requirement because they hold "lore" as the most important factor of their decisions. If anything, removing Ifrit Extreme ONLY would be the deciding factor of removing it, which you need to beat titan in order to access, so instead of locking out numerous primals, they removed that quest (which is what they technically removed, not the fights themselves.)



You don't need to do Relic to access other content in the game, especially with numerous alternate weapons that exist now. Coil is still progression because it is the ONLY End-game content, so they're still having some form of gating on it because it's the only progression content in this game. If this was XI where you had like Nyzul, Dynamis, Einherjar, Abyssea, Wildkeepers Reives, Delve and so on..yeah they likely would have gotten rid of the requirement a long time ago, since Coil 1 been in the game since Beta.



Technically it's optional, but the quest itself was required. Relics are optional as well..but they keep updating the quest line, so yeah, it depends on what prevents people from progressing. T5 > T6..do you realistically think if people can't beat T5 they should be able to go into the next section of the story/raid content? Especially when it's the only content to exist?



(I play from Long Beach CA or Japan depending on time of year..atm Long Beach CA.)


Edited, Nov 10th 2014 1:59pm by Theonehio

I'm on the west coast and I don't get any noticeable lag except for those days when the servers are overwhelmed, like on free weekends or the week of a new major patch. Clearly, it's server lag on those days. But I've never experienced this Midwest traffic bottleneck you speak of.

It sounds more like you can not empathize quite easily. You've never experienced severe lag in Titan EX. You've never been the one to die multiple time to plumes. You've never been the one who had to tell 7 other people, "I'm sorry guys but I'm dragging you down, I better bail."

I've been that guy. I know what it feels like. That's why I'm not so quick to write other people off.

Well, since Net Neutrality hasn't ended quite yet, the traffic should go always across the fastest, least congested routes possible, which I'm telling you from experience, are working just fine. At least, that's how the Internet is supposed to work (in order to survive a nuclear attack and all). Otherwise, I'd be experiencing the lag spikes like everyone on the West Coast would be since my traffic is treated equally to everyone else's (at least, for a few more days, anyway).

If it's the "last mile" West Coast ISP that's experiencing the lag problem, then it has nothing to do with the Midwest. It has to do with that lousy West Coast ISP interfering with the transmission or maybe it's something with the way that ISP is routed into the Internet (some rural coastal areas may have limited routing options, for example). But that's about as far as it would go.

I just thought of a new fun drinking game, using this thread.

Whenever Theonehio throws a jab at DRGs, take a shot. I guarantee you that you'll be drunk before your hovercraft fills with eels.

Not everybody would.. It depends on where your traffic is routed.. Depends on where and who your isp uses to drop into the back bone..

Lets say your neighbor is on a different ISP and is running a server.. You want to use his server.. The data could travel 100 of miles between you and him. The data does not go right next door.. It rarely takes the shortest route.

People can use tracert to find out where there data is going.





You cant always see lag and in most cases can not. First of all every single person lags, it is just to what degree.. None of us are actually playing on the actual SE server so we all have some lag. Real lag is created mainly by distance to the servers.. There are other things that cause the lag like the speed of equipment the data has too go through.. IE routers, switches etc.



Lag has become kind of a general term for allot of things too.. When you see people rubber banding around that most likely is caused because they are overwhelming their connection.. That's what happened when I was on time Warner. During the evening when more people got on their just was not enough bandwidth and my connection slowed big time,, The other thing you can see is packet loss and that causes stuttering and disconnects.. These are the two things you usually see.


What I am experiencing now really isn't lag it most likely is packet loss. I freeze for a bit.

I will say what ever is happening is getting worse and affecting more and more people.. We had two people drop from a dungeon last night and a third complained about lag in the same dungeon..... I see more and more people complaining about lag especially in dungeons.. What I saw last night though I believe is SE problem. I think with it being the last night before reset people were trying to cap their tomes and overwhelming the instance servers.



I also know that SE knows there is a problem out there..

I believe there is a weak point somewhere close to the data center SE uses.. The added traffic from FFXIV is causing a issue when the game gets busy.









Edited, Nov 11th 2014 10:23am by Nashred

You're not understanding. Going through the Midwest to get to SE's servers from the West Coast is apparently mandatory. You not experiencing problems is not relevant to the problem because it's not 100% of all West Coast players. All it means is that whoever your ISP uses to get information to/from there isn't using an affected server.

Since people are making it sound like melee jobs are the only ones who ***** up, I feel that I have to bring up a BLM in my expert roulette last night. We were in Sastasha HM, and I was on PLD. On the last boss, I heard the noise that meant the LB got used. I waited for the bosses life bar to drop a big chunk, but it didn't. Later, I went back in my battle log to see if there was some reason I missed it. I saw no reference to the boss getting hit by Starstorm.

So, I'll see your ROG/NIN who don't dodge and raise you a BLM that missed a stationary target with the LB!

Yea some dragoons are pretty bad too but not nearly as bad as ninjas..
I think they are in so close to the boss with so much going on sometimes it is just hard to see..
But I see Dragoons just stand there and not even try to get out of aoe's allot..
Thing is I have seen really good Dragoons but not many Ninjas, I am sure there are some really good NIN out there though... So few I wonder if there is actually something wrong with the Job...









Edited, Nov 12th 2014 10:25am by Nashred

Yep These ISPs were effected:

ATT
Verizon
Time Warner.

Something went screwy with the routing they used because while I'm on Charter I had no issues whatsoever last night while lots of people were complaining about lag more than usual and I looked into it and ATT for sure has been having issues with this game the past 2 months. Verizon seems to have issues with it every now and then.

I'm on AT&T and I rarely have problems. I'm on a high QoS low latency old school DSL line, though, so my packet loss tends to be very minimal and my pings are fast, even though the flow rare of data is not very large.