So how is Rogue/Ninja?Follow

Without Level Sync and the Low Level Duty Roulette, nobody would get dungeons they need done, though.

Then they'd have to make the dungeons optional and we'd have another WoW on our hands where you skip 90% of the content on your way up to max level. You can't really have it both ways, to be honest. We either do Level Sync and offer incentives for peeps to do LL Duty Roulette, or we allow people to skip the content altogether (which is a good chunk of the main story questline!) because nobody could get anything done.

I don't mind doing low level duty, it is just ROG/NIN seems a bit over-the-top at earlier levels. Sounds like an easy fix, just tone them back just a tad in lower level. To be honest, I never really had all that many troubles holding threat, 'cept for a few fringe cases and/or a few problem areas that could use a little tweaking, such as Brayflox.

I'd have to say that Brayflox is really the only dungeon I don't really like tanking. I like the rewards, I like the XP you get out of it if you're not max level yet, but the mobs in there hit hard and that's the 'sweet spot' (at least for PLD) between "can hold threat decently", "omg I wish people would give me a few sec!" and "this is easy-peasy". Haukke Manor is easy. Brayflox is "ouch" and then Stone Vigil is easy to hold threat, though mobs can sometimes hurt. "Easy-Hard-Easy".

Again, sounds like the problem could be more easily remedied by a few surgical tweaks. Shield Oath should be 35 instead of 40 (actually I'd go as far as to say it should be 30, same as Sword Oath) would easily fix the problem.

Though I will admit -- I haven't done Brayflox since the Flash Update, so that might not even be necessary. I know when I did Haukke a couple times just a couple days ago, it was easy-peasy 'cept for those overgeared NINs going to town trying to show off their max DPS skills, lol.

Again, sounds like a ROG/NIN problem (too much threat early level) than a "we need to get rid of level sync and/or make wide-sweeping changes to tanks" kind of problem IMO.

EDIT: Oh, and XI level Sync was not meant to actually be content in the game; at the time XP groups would routinely break up because of that one guy who gained one too many levels and your XP per kill would go from 120 down to 80 and make everybody's XP gains crap, even though it didn't change the challenge much unless that guy was the tank. It was also implemented as a response to players being unable to level with their friends as being one of the #1 complaints about the game, and also "we can't find a healer anywhere!" since most of the middle levels of the game, XP gains were roughly the same until you got to the 70s so it didn't matter what level you were once they added Level Sync. Obviously, nobody does XP groups now unless it is just a couple friends or something, but back then it was very relevant and awesome change.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2014 9:50am by Lyrailis

Yeah, BLMs are the worst offenders, I just let them die if they decide to SC Fire III and go their Fire Rotation before I not only get in position but actually get my first hate rotation off. Seriously, I will just disengage and /sit while they're getting their faces eaten and hope it teaches them a lesson.

So it definitely does depend on your tank ilvl, because they decided to go with that system so if you're i90 and your PS is i110-i135, you're not holding hate, at all, it's near impossible as per the game's design meaning unless:

1. the DPS sucks
2.the dps dies
3. you magically have more potent stats than anyone else at i90

Nothing will change that >_>

I just pop Quelling...

I have been running WHM in ST and have been seeing the same thing..
I have racked it up to they are still getting good gear and everyone else is pretty much over geared though.. I have examined a few and some have like I55 gear or accessories for example.. Allot are probably running just over the minimum to get into ST...
Another thing is they are pretty new to the job...

I also notice they are the first to fall in hunts allot of the time..

Edited, Nov 5th 2014 9:36am by Nashred

It's not that they're squishy..it's like any DPS..err DRG, they have the defense to survive a few hits, but hard hitting skills can and will one shot them.

Skills they refuse to dodge. So in short, like DRGs, they just choose not to dodge, not even mudra's lock you in place.

Yeah, they're just lazy. I queue WHM for fast queues for sands/oils, and if there's someone too lazy to bother dodging I'm too lazy to bother trying to keep them up. The only animation lock I've found is on Assassinate and it's literally half a second lock at that so they've got zero excuse.

That's really too bad, because you can't overlook the Labyrinth of Ancients as a great source of Soldiery, and it queues up faster than ST, surprisingly.

It grants 100 Soldiery Tomes, but if there's anyone new in the whole 24 person alliance, and there usually is these days, that bumps up to 150, for a fight almost everyone knows and almost everyone is over-geared for.

ST is good for oils, sands, UAT, and i100 gear, so it's tempting, but you're going to need Soldiery to buy the stuff to upgrade in the first place, and you'll get it faster in the Labyrinth and it's a lot more friendly to someone who is under-geared.

Double post, weird lag got the best of me.

Edited, Nov 5th 2014 3:52pm by Valkayree

Assassinate definitely locks you.

Dancing Blades seems to as well, at least it always stops me from moving when I use it.

Went and tried again, after your testimony, and you're right. My apologies. Now I'm wondering what kept stopping my movement when I was using it.

This might just be me, i'm at 47 so i havent taken NIN to endgame yet, but i actually found the opposite to the defense thing.

I mow'd right through every monster every dungeon could throw at me. I could do leves several levels before i normally was able to complete them, with ease. Heck, when Cutter Cry started and our tank instantly disbanded, i even tanked on Ninja just fine for a bit.

Easy to control, no positionals.
Excellent damage dealing.
Excellent enmity gain.
Excellent utility and mobility.

That you take the exact same damage as any other DPS job really isnt what i would call a "flaw".

Out of all the jobs i took to 50 (read: ALL), Ninja is by far the fastest, easiest and quickest to do so in. Overwhelming power and pretty much no flaws. Where you guys are getting the whole "They take damage even more badly than a BLM" thing from is beyond me.

That, and Ninja suffers from the same problem DRG has, in that it has a "coolness" that draws many people to it (or it's just because it's new) so with so many playing it you're bound to just see lots of bad ones and assume ninja is bad.